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Getting People of different sizes fit

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  • #32
    BlueIsland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭BlueIsland


    Will Heffernan wrote: »
    I agree...I think it pretty pathetic actually...drink bans that is...but each to their own. Having a few drinks here and there doesn't seem to make any difference at all.

    As for being off topic....what was the topic again? :)

    :) Id "weigh" in on other topic or try to. Think the question is..is a guy who constantly fights his weight easier to get fit than a guy who doesnt naturally fight his weight. When they stop then does the chubby guy get unfit quick in comparison to the non chubby guy.

    Right I am that chubby guy and I think the answer is yes to the above.
    I get up to the smaller guys level but fall down well beyond him in off season or if I get injured. But Im under no illusions... this is I believe a food issue rather than a training issue. i eat and drink too much when Im sedentary. The smaller guy probably wont eat or drink as much.

    Get chubby guy to eat right on and off season and you can train both the exact same.


  • #33
    Will Heffernan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭Will Heffernan


    BlueIsland wrote: »
    :) Id "weigh" in on other topic or try to. Think the question is..is a guy who constantly fights his weight easier to get fit than a guy who doesnt naturally fight his weight. When they stop then does the chubby guy get unfit quick in comparison to the non chubby guy.

    Right I am that chubby guy and I think the answer is yes to the above.
    I get up to the smaller guys level but fall down well beyond him in off season or if I get injured. But Im under no illusions... this is I believe a food issue rather than a training issue. i eat and drink too much when Im sedentary. The smaller guy probably wont eat or drink as much.

    Get chubby guy to eat right on and off season and you can train both the exact same.
    What you are describing are the body composition issues that muddy the waters in this discussion...you are one of the 'bigger' people who is just carrying extra fat. It isn't your size that's issue...it's the excess body fat that causes your issues with regard to the speed at which you get fit and or lose your fitness.


  • #34
    BlueIsland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭BlueIsland


    Will Heffernan wrote: »
    What you are describing are the body composition issues that muddy the waters in this discussion...you are one of the 'bigger' people who is just carrying extra fat. It isn't your size that's issue...it's the excess body fat that causes your issues with regard to the speed at which you get fit and or lose your fitness.

    yeh i took it thats what he meant. well how i took it. maybe he can clarify. know what you mean though about difference between 14 stone and chubby and being 14 stone and muscly.


  • #35
    KeithReilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭KeithReilly


    BlueIsland wrote: »
    yeh i took it thats what he meant. well how i took it. maybe he can clarify. know what you mean though about difference between 14 stone and chubby and being 14 stone and muscly.

    Yeah thats what I meant, two lean individuals, bodyfat would not have been the issue I would have been considering.


    On another note sort of related to fitness and testing but not as relevant as cardiovascular fitness but never the less an interesting topic in my opinion is the retention of strength during the season for gaelic footballers. Is strength testing relevant for gaelic footballers and why?

    Would it be a case that it is relevant to certain players and if so why?

    How do gaelic footballers go about retaining strength during the season and what % of off-season strength is it realistic to retain considering competing demands and a different focus during the season?


  • #36
    Will Heffernan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭Will Heffernan


    KeithReilly wrote: »
    Yeah thats what I meant, two lean individuals, bodyfat would not have been the issue I would have been considering.
    Cool.
    On another note sort of related to fitness and testing but not as relevant as cardiovascular fitness but never the less an interesting topic in my opinion is the retention of strength during the season for gaelic footballers. Is strength testing relevant for gaelic footballers and why?
    Yes. Because strength is directly related to acceleration, speed, speed endurance and power.
    Would it be a case that it is relevant to certain players and if so why?
    It's relevant to all.
    How do gaelic footballers go about retaining strength during the season and what % of off-season strength is it realistic to retain considering competing demands and a different focus during the season?
    1. You need to test first.
    2. You need to know how much strength is enough.
    3. Different players require different amounts of exposure to strength training to maintain their strength.
    4. It is not difficult for any individual with the motivation and desire to do so to develop and maintain an 'appropriate' amount of strength.


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  • #37
    BlueIsland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭BlueIsland


    KeithReilly wrote: »
    Yeah thats what I meant, two lean individuals, bodyfat would not have been the issue I would have been considering.


    On another note sort of related to fitness and testing but not as relevant as cardiovascular fitness but never the less an interesting topic in my opinion is the retention of strength during the season for gaelic footballers. Is strength testing relevant for gaelic footballers and why?

    Would it be a case that it is relevant to certain players and if so why?

    How do gaelic footballers go about retaining strength during the season and what % of off-season strength is it realistic to retain considering competing demands and a different focus during the season?

    Yeh thats a tough one. I find personally I like to be fresh as I can before matches. so the window for doing anything strength related is at max 2 days. (and that would include training three days in a row sometimes)....


  • #38
    KeithReilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭KeithReilly


    Will Heffernan wrote: »
    1. You need to test first.
    2. You need to know how much strength is enough.
    3. Different players require different amounts of exposure to strength training to maintain their strength.
    4. It is not difficult for any individual with the motivation and desire to do so to develop and maintain an 'appropriate' amount of strength.

    1. what particular exercises do you test?
    2. How do you know how much strength is enough?
    3. How do you know how much exposure an individual needs, is it just a matter of trail and error to see at what point strength starts to drop.
    4. The answer to appropriate amount of strength is probably contained in answer 2 and the amount of training needed in answer 3?


  • #39
    KeithReilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭KeithReilly


    BlueIsland wrote: »
    Yeh thats a tough one. I find personally I like to be fresh as I can before matches. so the window for doing anything strength related is at max 2 days. (and that would include training three days in a row sometimes)....

    I'd imagine that is individual, personally I'd have no problem doing an intense upper body session or lower body pre-hab exercises the day before a big game, admittedly I may cut down on volume but intensity would be fairly high.

    I wouldn't be able to do any heavy lower body exercises, certainly within 2 days of a game. I'd also find that it would take two days after the game until I'd be able to do any heavy lower body exercises and I'd also struggle with a heavy lower body session the day after training so like yourself it does leave me limited in when I can train lower body but not upper body or intense lower body exercises.


  • #40
    Will Heffernan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭Will Heffernan


    KeithReilly wrote: »
    1. what particular exercises do you test?
    This is a massive topic...I could talk about it for ages. I will PM you a post on it.
    2. How do you know how much strength is enough?
    I've written about this as well...I'll send you a PM.
    3. How do you know how much exposure an individual needs, is it just a matter of trail and error to see at what point strength starts to drop.
    ...and yet another PM :)
    4. The answer to appropriate amount of strength is probably contained in answer 2 and the amount of training needed in answer 3?
    Agreed.


  • #41
    Antisocialiser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Antisocialiser


    Will, i would be forever grateful if you could PM me your GAA info on training and testing!

    In the midst of preseason weight training and would be eager to know how much strength you reckon is required for a GAA player also :D

    :D


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  • #42
    Will Heffernan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭Will Heffernan


    Antisocialiser wrote: »
    Will, i would be forever grateful if you could PM me your GAA info on training and testing!

    In the midst of preseason weight training and would be eager to know how much strength you reckon is required for a GAA player also :D

    :D
    I am not hiding anything.

    I've blogged about GAA and testing a lot in the past it is just that my blog is crap in that it has no search function...which I will eventually fix.

    Start here.

    http://informedperformance.wordpress.com/category/fitness-testing/

    and here.

    http://informedperformance.wordpress.com/category/sport/gaa/

    I will have a look through my old posts today and make sure they are 'indexed' properly (which they aren't) and will PM you a better list of posts to look at.

    If you have any questions at all feel free to fire away and I'll help if I can.

    Good luck with your preparation and the season to come.


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