Antibiotics, Are people really that stupid

charlemont

Its all about money, Antibiotics sell, And if they don't work then the patient comes back..Ker-ching..Health has nothing to do with it..

Seaneh

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Most people don't get the flu, it's just a cold. If you get the flu you know about it and will go to the doctor.

I've had flu twice and neither time did I go to the doctor.

June 2007, normal flu, 10 days in bed, lost about 3.5kg, called ,y gp, told her symptoms, she said "probably flu, I'll check in on you during the week" and she called me a few times to monitor and remind me to keep eating and taking fluids as much as I could, wrote a script for strong pain killers and told me to take a multivitiman. No need to go to the doctor with flu, they can't do anything for you.

July 2009, got swine flu, again, called GP, she told me to stay at home, it was probably swine flu, she came to my house herself and wore a mask, checked me out, told me I was lucky as they had just stopped quarantining people the week before and I wouldn't have to be dragged to hospital and put in a sterile room. Was abotu 12 days in bed, lost about 6kg and wasn't right for about 2 weeks after.


If you have flu, or suspect you have flu, phone your GP/Clinic/out of hours service and tell them the symptoms, odds are they will tell you to stay at home, as they can't help you and you going to their surgery just means you are likely to infect other people.

Chuck Stone

Terrlock wrote: »

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Learned how to make my own from distilled water.

I have to say it worked wonders for me... Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Wat?

smash

danniemcq wrote: »

And if people demand antibiotics then give them sugar pills/placebos and send them on their way.

You know the way doctors just write scribbles and people wonder how the chemist can read the prescription? Well they can't... it's just the doc fobbing them off and the chemist giving them placebos.

hooradiation

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I think this is part of the problem, people expect more than "go home and rest you'll be grand" when they pay €50 for a Doctor visit.

Perhaps they should visit a wizard instead.

Lyaiera

hooradiation wrote: »

Perhaps they should visit a wizard instead.

I'd happily pay €50 to visit a wizard.

--Kaiser--

Terrlock wrote: »

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Even said to work on viruses

Did a bit of research on it and you see the guy that turned blue from drinking it....lots of negative press from the drug companies.

So was very sceptical.


Did a bit more research into and seen that he made his solution with salt, which caused the blue side effect.

Learned how to make my own from distilled water.


I can't say there is enough research into it too prove that it works the way people claim but I decided to use myself as a Guinea pig when I was getting constant colds, cough's, chest infections and swore throats.

I have to say it worked wonders for me as in cured in a matter of 2 hours.

most people will be sceptical about it and say no, but the people that have tried it have all said it works.

As in Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Since I started making my own, I've saved loads on doctor and medication bills.

I wouldn't recommend buying it, just educating yourself as much as you can, and if you think it's for you try making some.


It's only water and tiny nano particals of silver....all you need.

I'd only take maybe a mouth full of it if I'm sick and I get all better.

Do you have any interest in some magic beans?

danniemcq

Terrlock wrote: »

A friend of mine told be about this colloidal silver stuff that can cure the same stuff as antibiotics do. Even said to work on viruses

Did a bit of research on it and you see the guy that turned blue from drinking it....lots of negative press from the drug companies.

So was very sceptical.


Did a bit more research into and seen that he made his solution with salt, which caused the blue side effect.

Learned how to make my own from distilled water.


I can't say there is enough research into it too prove that it works the way people claim but I decided to use myself as a Guinea pig when I was getting constant colds, cough's, chest infections and swore throats.

I have to say it worked wonders for me as in cured in a matter of 2 hours.

most people will be sceptical about it and say no, but the people that have tried it have all said it works.

As in Colds and flu's gone within hours....toothaches gone in minutes...even infected bones healed where antibiotics failed...but this is just my experience.

Since I started making my own, I've saved loads on doctor and medication bills.

I wouldn't recommend buying it, just educating yourself as much as you can, and if you think it's for you try making some.


It's only water and tiny nano particals of silver....all you need.

I'd only take maybe a mouth full of it if I'm sick and I get all better.

thats very interesting actually,

there seems to be a fair amount of articles online and some interesting reading...

seems that as long as you aren't drinking the stuff all the time and use it occasionally it seems to have no side effects (take it a lot and you get an irreversable skin condition)

i did see however that the amount of silver in the colloidal silver products can vary from -24% to +114% of what they say on the box so thats sometning to look out for.

there are some worrying notes on it though

The effectiveness of these products has never been scientifically proven, and in some jurisdictions, it is currently illegal to include such claims in product advertisements

at least there is something in this and not just watered down water like other alternative remedies

Iwannahurl

Antibiotics schmantibiotics.

If it wasn't for the Valium, I'd be on drugs.

Iwannahurl

suicide_circus wrote: »

the window a jar

When is a window not a window?

hooradiation

So we're already dealing with people who think colloidal silver is a cure all? Great.

It's only a matter of time before the paleo diet advocating chucklefucks show up....

asherbassad

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I have a condition that means if I get a chest infection I could end up very seriously ill if I don't take a course of antibiotics and nip it in the bud early on. It sucks, as I'm not a fan of medicating in general, but can't be helped.

I think the issue is people either saving old antibiotics from a previous illness, or buying them abroad. You can get them in Spain over the counter. I know someone who has a tub of them and gives it her kids when they've an ear infection/sore throat etc.

It's really not smart, but people would be far more likely to see a doc if they didn't cost so much.

I don't know why people go to the doctor at all.
Most complaints can be cured with herbal remedies. Just go to your friendly local Chinese herb specialist. If you've got any kind of infection at all the guy will give you some tea and have you spend the next week overdosing on garlic. Most antibiotics are just garlic anyway. Sh!t kills everything..including vampires.

Terrlock

danniemcq wrote: »

thats very interesting actually,

there seems to be a fair amount of articles online and some interesting reading...

seems that as long as you aren't drinking the stuff all the time and use it occasionally it seems to have no side effects (take it a lot and you get an irreversable skin condition)

i did see however that the amount of silver in the colloidal silver products can vary from -24% to +114% of what they say on the box so thats sometning to look out for.

there are some worrying notes on it though



at least there is something in this and not just watered down water like other alternative remedies

Yes I wouldn't trust in buying it myself...which is why I looked into making it.

So now that I make it myself, I know exactly what's in it and it works great. So when I make it I get about 18 ppm of silver in pure distilled water.

And I'd only ever take it when sick or something.


........


And no...it's not magic beans, it's just water and a bit of silver, so simple and so effective.

Silver has amazing antibacterial properties.

Just get a pint of milk, and drop a silver coin in it and see how long it takes for it to go off.

Terrlock

hooradiation wrote: »

So we're already dealing with people who think colloidal silver is a cure all? Great.

It's only a matter of time before the paleo diet advocating chucklefucks show up....

Well I was sceptical too until I tried it and it just worked.

Everyone who I know that has been open enough to try it, says the same that it's just works.

so it's not what I think...it actually works...unless I managed to cure my chest infection from suggestive thought...which I guess is possible.

Again it hasn't gone through rigorous drug testing, which it never will.

No money in making your own cures.

--Kaiser--

danniemcq wrote: »

thats very interesting actually,

there seems to be a fair amount of articles online and some interesting reading...

seems that as long as you aren't drinking the stuff all the time and use it occasionally it seems to have no side effects (take it a lot and you get an irreversable skin condition)

i did see however that the amount of silver in the colloidal silver products can vary from -24% to +114% of what they say on the box so thats sometning to look out for.

there are some worrying notes on it though



at least there is something in this and not just watered down water like other alternative remedies

Let's put a stop to this right now, there are no studies proving that colloidal silver is effective as anything but an antispetic

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

smash

I googled colloidal silver and most of the results are for pages warning of the effects it can have on you so I think I'll stay away.

danniemcq

hooradiation wrote: »

So we're already dealing with people who think colloidal silver is a cure all? Great.

It's only a matter of time before the paleo diet advocating chucklefucks show up....

I hope you aren't classing me in that!

Nothing is a solve all solution, but seeing that the silver ussed to be used as an antibiotic i might look into it and see.

from what i can see is that there hasn't been a whole lot of research into it (compared to other drugs etc) and i'd be worried about the other side effects than skin colour.

would it be heavy metal like and build up destroying your organs. would it pass through naturally etc.

hooradiation

Terrlock wrote: »

so it's not what I think...it actually works...unless I managed to cure my chest infection from suggestive thought...which I guess is possible.

Pardon me while I give exactly no fucks about your anecdotal evidence.
You have no idea why these conditions are being "cured" you're just attributing it to some snake oil you've taken to.

Terrlock wrote: »

Again it hasn't gone through rigorous drug testing, which it never will.

No money in making your own cures.

Yes, that's exactly it, or maybe, just maybe it has undergone testing and found to be very wanting?

wyndham

Papa Smurf anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahihGKZC5Kk

danniemcq

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Let's put a stop to this right now, there are no studies proving that colloidal silver is effective as anything but an antispetic

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

well that page also states that the only reason the FDA warns about it is the skin colour issue

The amount of silver required to produce argyria is unknown. However, the FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported:

in that paragraph it shows that there isn't a lot of study into it when they can't tell how much causes Argyria.

I'm not gonna run to the nearest shop and buy some but its interesting.

Like using natural honey to treat wounds or cobwebs to stop bleeding its just interesting!

old hippy

I've had a cold which has mutated and hassled since the end of Sept. I've been coughing up slippery yuck for the last 2 weeks, so I was glad to get the old anti-b's yesterday...

danniemcq

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Let's put a stop to this right now, there are no studies proving that colloidal silver is effective as anything but an antispetic

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

ah i see further down this

There is little evidence to support therapeutic claims made for colloidal silver products;
The risk to consumers of silver toxicity outweighs the value of trying an unsubstantiated treatment, and bacterial resistance to silver can occur Efforts should be made to curb the illegal availability of colloidal silver products, which is a significant public health issue [16].

hmmmmm interesting, seems like there is no harm when used once on a blue moon but little proof of evidence that it works.

outta sheer curiousity next time i'm hit with cold/flu or something like that i might try some.

Unless anyone digs up something that shows a small dose will do permenant damage.

The whole thing is a ****-up and it's not that easy for doctors to **** patients off. Studies show that the reason homeopathy and other fake things work is because the people doing it are nice and friendly and understanding etc. A doctor telling someone to wise up and buy a 4 quid cough bottle and put the vicks on for a few nights is going to leave them convinced they feel worse a few days later. Eventually you end up with a ridiculous situation like in Britain where the state actually funds "alternative" medicine treatments that have never been shown to work better than a placebo.
So which is the best waste of money, advertising to tell people they don't need antibiotics or state-funding of con-artists?

Lyaiera

You could try balancing a potato on your head the next time you get a cold/flu. I've heard there's little evidence to support therapeutic claims for that too.

Lyaiera

Terrlock wrote: »

Again it hasn't gone through rigorous drug testing, which it never will.

No money in making your own cures.

You can get free homeopathic "medicine" out of your tap and people still pay for it. I'm sure a company like GSK or Pfizer have a good enough marketing department to sell something that has an actual ingredient if it was proven to work.

Edit: Hrrrmm, there was a post after my previous one.

Sarky

It would certainly shorten the queue at the GP, give them a chance to treat people with real problems.

WoollyRedHat

If people are going to the doctor with a flu and asking for antibiotics, I question their intelligence.

However, if doctors are then providing these stupid people with antibiotics, then I worry about them, and do indeed question their intelligence too.

Red Hand

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

If people are going to the doctor with a flu and asking for antibiotics, I question their intelligence.

However, if doctors are then providing these stupid people with antibiotics, then I worry about them, and do indeed question their intelligence too.

You must have questionaires foisted on people right, left and centre!:P

Malari

I don't know if it's stupidity. Ignorance of microbiology maybe!

I totally agree it's up to the doctors to explain properly the difference between colds and flus and vaccines, and chest infections and the like, which can be treated with antibiotics.

People come in with all these mixed up symptoms, why would they automatically know if you have a bad cold antibiotics won't work? But if you have a bad cold and are also coughing that an antibiotic will be used to treat the chest infection. All they know is they are taking antibiotics for a few days and then their cold and all the symptoms go away.

Taking antibiotics for only half the course is another thing :rolleyes: But people are used to only taking drugs when they feel ill. Why don't GPs explain the impact of not finishing the course on general resistance of bacteria?

Antibiotic awareness day? :pac:

Red Hand

Malari wrote: »

I don't know if it's stupidity. Ignorance of microbiology maybe!

I totally agree it's up to the doctors to explain properly the difference between colds and flus and vaccines, and chest infections and the like, which can be treated with antibiotics.

People come in with all these mixed up symptoms, why would they automatically know if you have a bad cold antibiotics won't work? But if you have a bad cold and are also coughing that an antibiotic will be used to treat the chest infection. All they know is they are taking antibiotics for a few days and then their cold and all the symptoms go away.

Taking antibiotics for only half the course is another thing :rolleyes: But people are used to only taking drugs when they feel ill. Why don't GPs explain the impact of not finishing the course on general resistance of bacteria?

Antibiotic awareness day? :pac:

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