Spectre (Bond 24)

ricero

FunLover18 wrote: »

Twitter reaction from critics (the ones I follow at least) isn't great. Not terrible by any means.

It's getting rave reviews from all the papers

ohnonotgmail

The guy on BBC Breaksfast this morning gave it 8 out of 10 and said it ticked all the Bond boxes.

BuilderPlumber

Hope to get to see it next week. I'd have high hopes for it and I think it will not disappoint. It is not quite 3 hours but somewhere around 2.5 hours I think?

mzungu

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Hope to get to see it next week. I'd have high hopes for it and I think it will not disappoint. It is not quite 3 hours but somewhere around 2.5 hours I think?

Crikey, that must be a Bond record. OHMSS is a little over two hours IIRC, but 2.5 is pushing into new territory. Must be oodles going on in this one.

The Black Oil

148 minutes according to the IFCO.

dr.kenneth noisewater

Really looking forward to this now!

aphex™

If Spectre is 2h 30m I think we could do without cinemas running the 25 mins of ads before the screening starts. :eek:

FAILSAFE 00

aphex™ wrote: »

If Spectre is 2h 30m I think we could do without cinemas running the 25 mins of ads before the screening starts. :eek:

Agreed, my ass is still killing me after The Martian :P

FortuneChip

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

Agreed, my ass is still killing me after The Martian :P

There's a joke about alien abductions and probing here

BuilderPlumber

mzungu wrote: »

Crikey, that must be a Bond record. OHMSS is a little over two hours IIRC, but 2.5 is pushing into new territory. Must be oodles going on in this one.

Casino Royale was around 2h15m I think and maybe was the longest until now I'd imagine? The early Bonds were in or around the 2 hours give or take. Quantum was the shortest I'd imagine?

mzungu

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Casino Royale was around 2h15m I think and maybe was the longest until now I'd imagine? The early Bonds were in or around the 2 hours give or take. Quantum was the shortest I'd imagine?

Yep, QOS was the easily the shortest. You are spot on with Casino Royale being the longest so far (until SPECTRE), that was 2hrs 25 (could have sworn it was only 2) which is 3 mins longer than OHMSS. Looking forward to it.

mzungu

aphex™ wrote: »

If Spectre is 2h 30m I think we could do without cinemas running the 25 mins of ads before the screening starts. :eek:

Maybe a 5 minute interval half way through to make sure nobody gets deep vein thrombosis :pac:

Looper007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5xfbHPcNn4

Well Kermode thinks it's great. It's been getting rave reviews and the odd few bad ones but it seems the great outweigh the bad. The Guardian gave it 5 stars now that was a shock.

Loughc

Seen it tonight at the Savoy for an advance screening. It is very very good. The time flies by its high tempo without being over bearing action wise if that makes any sense at all haha.

syklops

FunLover18 wrote: »

Twitter reaction from critics (the ones I follow at least) isn't great. Not terrible by any means.

Care to name and (somewhat) shame them?

PTH2009

was casino royale in 2006 the first and only reboot of the james bond franchise ????

when the role of bond was given to another actor were they continuing the story eg were sean connery and roger moore the same James Bond ???

mzungu

PTH2009 wrote: »

was casino royale in 2006 the first and only reboot of the james bond franchise ????

when the role of bond was given to another actor were they continuing the story eg were sean connery and roger moore the same James Bond ???

It was the only reboot yep. Unless you count the David Niven Casino Royale in the 60s and Never Say Never Again in 1984. Although both those were not a meaningful attempt at starting a rival franchise.

Debate rages over whether the Bond we see in SPECTRE is the same one that we saw in Dr. No. Some theories have James Bond 007 as a codename and as soon as one dies, another comes along to assume the mantle. IIRC the creators of the series have refuted it since Lazenby's time. The theory gained more traction when Judy Dench took up the 'M' role which lead folks to assume that it was the same process with Bond.

syklops

PTH2009 wrote: »

was casino royale in 2006 the first and only reboot of the james bond franchise ????

when the role of bond was given to another actor were they continuing the story eg were sean connery and roger moore the same James Bond ???

Sean Connery was the first Bond on screen. When Roger Moore took over the word "rebooted" hadn't been coined yet.

Lazonby came next and he was a softer Bond, and the story had more heart ache for him than previous ones. Lazonby only got one bite at the cherry.

Next came Dalton. Argubably this was the first real reboot, he was much more of a cold hearted bastard than the two previous portrayals. Not as obviously good looking, as Moore or Connery(not my opinion, but there are women out there who would still happily slide into bed with both of them despite the fact they are pensioners)

Then was Brosnan, a new spy for the 90s. He got 4 movie outings. I really enjoyed the first 2, number 3 had some good moments, and number 4 turned the genre into more scifi than action/adventure, invisible car etc)

Casino Royale wasn't so much a reboot but a new look at what the character could be and a return to the Bond of the original books. Daniel Craig worked out so he looked less like a naval officer and more like a Navy Seal. In many ways he was a lot more like the Bond of the early books. For example, in "You only Live Twice - the movie", Tanaka asks "Do you like sake, or would you prefer a vodka martini?" whereby Sean Connery responds "Oh no, I like sake... especially when its servved at the correct temperature, 98.4 degrees Fahrenheit". In the book, bond says "Enough of this sake! Bring on the Russian vodka".

Likewise, in Casino Royale the movie, Craig is asked whether he prefers his martini shaken or stirred, he responds "Do I look like I give a damn?".

Bond is a bit like Dr Who, it doesnt get rebooted, it just transitions with each new iteration of actor.

Calibos

Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, Craig.

GraphicGaming

I cannot wait for this. Its going to be brilliant

BuilderPlumber

mzungu wrote: »

It was the only reboot yep. Unless you count the David Niven Casino Royale in the 60s and Never Say Never Again in 1984. Although both those were not a meaningful attempt at starting a rival franchise.

Debate rages over whether the Bond we see in SPECTRE is the same one that we saw in Dr. No. Some theories have James Bond 007 as a codename and as soon as one dies, another comes along to assume the mantle. IIRC the creators of the series have refuted it since Lazenby's time. The theory gained more traction when Judy Dench took up the 'M' role which lead folks to assume that it was the same process with Bond.

The character is definitely the same. But the portrayals of him may or may not be of the same cannon. One can say the Connery, Lazenby and Moore Bond is of the same imagination of the character as there are various mentions of Tracy throughout them. Plus, we see Lazenby's Bond deal with items from the first 5 Connery films when he is cleaning out his drawer after resigning. Dalton's Bond is also the same imagination of the character as the general Gogol character in The Living Daylights links this to Moore's era.

My guess is 1962-89 = the same character imagination.
The Brosnan era: ???. Possibly continues the 1962-89 line. Or may be a new Bond reboot.
Craig's Bond: A rebooted imagination of the same character. This is made very clear.

Judi Dench's M I think just happened to be in the Brosnan and Craig films and she is the same character in 2 different imaginations of Bond. The original Bond films were also a reboot as he is given an updated background from the Bond of the books. The Bond of Never Say Never Again I presume is also a rebooted Bond. The less said about the OTHER Casino Royale the better!!

BuilderPlumber

PTH2009 wrote: »

was casino royale in 2006 the first and only reboot of the james bond franchise ????

when the role of bond was given to another actor were they continuing the story eg were sean connery and roger moore the same James Bond ???

Definitely, Connery and Moore (along with Lazenby and Dalton) are the same incarnation of Bond. Brosnan is harder to figure where he fits in. Craig is a reboot as is the Bond of Never Say Never Again. They are all reboots of the book Bond.

mzungu

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

The character is definitely the same. But the portrayals of him may or may not be of the same cannon. One can say the Connery, Lazenby and Moore Bond is of the same imagination of the character as there are various mentions of Tracy throughout them. Plus, we see Lazenby's Bond deal with items from the first 5 Connery films when he is cleaning out his drawer after resigning. Dalton's Bond is also the same imagination of the character as the general Gogol character in The Living Daylights links this to Moore's era.

My guess is 1962-89 = the same character imagination.
The Brosnan era: ???. Possibly continues the 1962-89 line. Or may be a new Bond reboot.
Craig's Bond: A rebooted imagination of the same character. This is made very clear.

Judi Dench's M I think just happened to be in the Brosnan and Craig films and she is the same character in 2 different imaginations of Bond. The original Bond films were also a reboot as he is given an updated background from the Bond of the books. The Bond of Never Say Never Again I presume is also a rebooted Bond. The less said about the OTHER Casino Royale the better!!

Amen!

Harry Palmr

mzungu wrote: »

Crikey, that must be a Bond record. OHMSS is a little over two hours IIRC, but 2.5 is pushing into new territory. Must be oodles going on in this one.

138 mins was that one.

mzungu

Harry Palmr wrote: »

138 mins was that one.

Just had a gander at Wikipedia & IMDB and it shows 142 mins. Been ages since I watched it but I didn't think it went on that long.

eeguy

Saw this tonight.

4/10

All style,absolutely no substance.

FourFourRED

eeguy wrote: »

Saw this tonight.

4/10

All style,absolutely no substance.

I felt the same. Didn't wow me at all. Similar to Quantam of Solace, maybe slightly better. 6/10 for me.

titan18

Not a fan of it really. Think they could easily have docked 10-15 minutes off it, thought it went on forever. Was some nice moments in it, and some nice action set pieces, but overall a bit meh. Think Waltz was underused, for such a good actor, they didn't really make the most of him.

Tom.D.BJJ

Amazing starting sequence. Best I've ever seen.

Sharply downhill after that. I can't help but feel it was badly edited, and perhaps the best bits ended on the cutting room floor.

What exactly is up with Feines teeth? The torture scene was lacking too.

I felt Monica Belucci was wasted, and Watlz should have been used far more rather than squeezing in MM, Q and Moneypenny.

den87

Just back from seeing it, great show, looks great, it does drag a bit in the middle but that's my only complaint.

I don't think Craig,Mendes and

Waltz maybe

are done with 007 just yet...