Republican Racism

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http://jezebel.com/5958490/twitter-racists-react-to-that-******-getting-reelected/gallery/1

Have a look through the images on there.

This is depressing.

I hate to generalize. In my short experience living in America I find that most Republicans I have come in contact with have a strong religious factor and are racist.

I'm not saying they are all like this - but most of the ones I have met have openly admitted to me that they are racist.

I find this disgusting.

wp_rathead

..surprised they can tweet with no thumbs..

StillWaters

Depressing is right. And then they agonise over why they cannot attract minority votes.
Feel a bit sick after reading those tweets actually.

Dades

I do like the plan to viralise their comments.

A google by any prospective employer of their names will forever bring that page up. Enjoy, homies!

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Dades wrote: »

I do like the plan to viralise their comments.

A google by any prospective employer of their names will forever bring that page up. Enjoy, homies!

My day just got better.

MagicMarker

Any chance of pasting the tweets into a post? Can't access twitter in work.

yeppydeppy

I had to stop reading, it leads me to think that the US really needs to spend more on education.

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MagicMarker wrote: »

Any chance of pasting the tweets into a post? Can't access twitter in work.

I'm in work and there's no way I'll post it. I can do it when I get home this evening if someone else is unable to.

MagicMarker

Nevermind, thought the link in the OP was a twitter link when it's not.

Duggys Housemate

Was it wrong I found some of those racists hot?

Gbear

To be fair to them, I would imagine that quite a number of the 90% of black voters who voted for Obama did so because of racialism.
Not quite the same as some of the morons on twitter but a problem nevertheless.

The stupidity of the electorate is why we can't have nice things.

Dades

Methinks on investigation a bunch of these accounts are bogus.

Just Westboro Baptist types masquerading on Twitter as everyday Americans, looking to stir it up.

robindch

Dades wrote: »

[...] stir it up.

"People stirring it!" on the internet shocker!

Hope everybody feels safe.

Doctor DooM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Was it wrong I found some of those racists hot?

Lonely Island did a song about that I think.

Doesn't matter, still counts.

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This is glorious. If you're in work please use headphones. Lots of profanity.

666irishguy

There is still a fairly large under-current of racism in the US, but I'd say a huge amount of those posters are trolling teenage boys. They are idiots though, as it wouldn't be impossible to track them down or find some agency with the will to take legal action. Luckily the day of the troll is all but over. We only have to look at some of the arrests in the UK over the past few months.

Duggys Housemate

666irishguy wrote: »

There is still a fairly large under-current of racism in the US, but I'd say a huge amount of those posters are trolling teenage boys. They are idiots though, as it wouldn't be impossible to track them down or find some agency with the will to take legal action. Luckily the day of the troll is all but over. We only have to look at some of the arrests in the UK over the past few months.

yeah, the less free speech the better, imho.

666irishguy

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

yeah, the less free speech the better, imho.

Free speech is a myth.

Duggys Housemate

666irishguy wrote: »

Free speech is a myth.

Not really. Watch this.

Edna Kenny is a wonderful man and a considerate lover.

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Galvasean

Am I the only one that doesn't find the term 'monkey' racist? I mean, we have white monkeys too. Not to mention that George W. Bush is probably the most simian looking of all the US presidents.

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The republican party made a hard shift towards the religious right in the late seventies, the religious right is, by and large, dominated by old white men. It's going to be hard for the GOP to separate itself from the institutionalized racist undertones they've had for the last 40 years.

The comments are disgusting, but you'll find people who hold such views in all countries and with every variant of political viewpoint imaginable. In this case, I suspect they're trolls looking to cause a kerfuffle and consequently don't deserve recognition.

I agree with the sentiment of one of the remarks where a person says, in a not so polite way, that it is bad for black people to vote for Obama just because he is black. If not voting for a candidate because of his skin colour is racism, then voting for a candidate because of his skin colour is also racism. I've several friends who've said, if they were American, they would have voted for Obama in 2008 just because he was black, which was, at the time, a somewhat popular opinion — "look how progressive I am, voting for a black man." Some people find it difficult to understand that, by the exact same chain of reasoning, if it's okay to vote for a black man because of his colour, then it's okay to vote for a white man because of his colour, and it is okay to not vote for a black man because of his colour. In reality, voting for somebody because he's black or white is just as bad as not voting for somebody because he's black or white. Racism isn't always negative (I won't vote for him), it can be positive (I will vote for him) too.

listermint

gvn wrote: »

The comments are disgusting, but you'll find people who hold such views in all countries and with every variant of political viewpoint imaginable. In this case, I suspect they're trolls looking to cause a kerfuffle and consequently don't deserve recognition.

I agree with the sentiment of one of the remarks where a person says, in a not so polite way, that it is bad for black people to vote for Obama just because he is black. If not voting for a candidate because of his skin colour is racism, then voting for a candidate because of his skin colour is also racism. I've several friends who've said, if they were American, they would have voted for Obama in 2008 just because he was black, which was, at the time, a somewhat popular opinion — "look how progressive I am, voting for a black man." Some people find it difficult to understand that, by the exact same chain of reasoning, if it's okay to vote for a black man because of his colour, then it's okay to vote for a white man because of his colour, and it is okay to not vote for a black man because of his colour. In reality, voting for somebody because he's black or white is just as bad as not voting for somebody because he's black or white. Racism isn't always negative (I won't vote for him), it can be positive (I will vote for him) too.

Do you have any stats on the fact that black people voted for him because he is black? I awaiting this vastly researched study...

Gbear

listermint wrote: »

Do you have any stats on the fact that black people voted for him because he is black? I awaiting this vastly researched study...

It's hardly a coincidence or because black people are so well informed that 90% of them voted for him.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

Do you have any stats on the fact that black people voted for him because he is black? I awaiting this vastly researched study...

Did I say I did? I said I agreed with the sentiment of one of the comments: it is as bad to vote for Obama because he is black as it is to vote against Obama because he is black. It's a point about a general principle — deciding who to vote for based on colour is a bad thing — not about particular instances of the principle — Americans, black or otherwise, voting for him because he is black.

Duggys Housemate

There was a breakdown by race in the metro this morning - the black vote was 93% Obama.


Here we go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20240375

COYW

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The republican party made a hard shift towards the religious right in the late seventies, the religious right is, by and large, dominated by old white men. It's going to be hard for the GOP to separate itself from the institutionalized racist undertones they've had for the last 40 years.

Personally, I think that there are serious racial issues in society as a whole in the USA. Look at the split of votes for Romney and Obama in terms of ethnicity.

Also, the democrats moved away from religion, as opposed to the republicans moving towards it. Religious freedom is at the core of the founding of the USA. The USA was the only country where it was possible for the likes of Mormons or the Amish to evolve in peace. The Amish had to flee to the USA, Pennsylvania iirc, from Europe to escape persecution.

Galvasean

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

There was a breakdown by race in the metro this morning - the black vote was 93% Obama.


Here we go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20240375

Of course, that doesn't mean they voted for him because he was black. That said though, I'd be surprised if it waqsn't the case for many. For a very long time now black people have felt under represented by white guys in suits who seem out of touch with them. As far as they are cdoncerned someone like Obama will represent them better as he can relate to them better due to growing up as an African-American in the States. I doubt they are wrong either.
So, in summary, I don't think it's inherently racist for black people to vote for a black man. After all, who knows black people better than black people?

Duggys Housemate

Galvasean wrote: »

Of course, that doesn't mean they voted for him because he was black. That said though, I'd be surprised if it waqsn't the case for many. For a very long time now black people have felt under represented by white guys in suits who seem out of touch with them. As far as they are cdoncerned someone like Obama will represent them better as he can relate to them better due to growing up as an African-American in the States. I doubt they are wrong either.
So, in summary, I don't think it's inherently racist for black people to vote for a black man. After all, who knows black people better than black people?

Its not racist, with it's connotations of superiority. It's tribal at worst.

Interesting fact, blacks used to vote Republican. Party of Lincoln and all that. Martin Luther King was a registered republican until Kennedy.

ShooterSF

Galvasean wrote: »

Of course, that doesn't mean they voted for him because he was black. That said though, I'd be surprised if it waqsn't the case for many. For a very long time now black people have felt under represented by white guys in suits who seem out of touch with them. As far as they are cdoncerned someone like Obama will represent them better as he can relate to them better due to growing up as an African-American in the States. I doubt they are wrong either.
So, in summary, I don't think it's inherently racist for black people to vote for a black man. After all, who knows black people better than black people?

But logically it follows that white people know white people best and, understanding their needs better, will mean they should vote white.

What amazes me about all this is I always thought that blacks were more likely to be religious than whites statistically in the states but Romney got more of the religious vote and much less of the black vote so eh

Sarky

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Not really. Watch this.

Edna Kenny is a wonderful man and a considerate lover.

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I always reckoned those soft hands of his would be very... dexterous.

sink

I don't think it's racist to support a racial/ethnic minority that has long suffered from a lack of representation in high office. So long as that person is both qualified and capable, the fact that they're a minority is positive attribute. It's positive because it symbolizes progression and inclusiveness. Obama acts a role model for young generations who will grow up with the view that there is no racial barrier to their ambition, which can only encourage them.

Nodin

Gbear wrote: »

It's hardly a coincidence or because black people are so well informed that 90% of them voted for him.

Seeing as well over 70% vote democrat on average anyway, its a bit much to say that they vote for him as a bloc because hes black.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/09/07/black-influence-on-democratic-party-is-far-greater-than-republican-party/

Corkfeen

Nodin wrote: »

Seeing as well over 70% vote democrat on average anyway, its a bit much to say that they vote for him as a bloc because hes black.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/09/07/black-influence-on-democratic-party-is-far-greater-than-republican-party/

Indeed. On The Daily Show, they spent a segment finding black people at the republican convention..... They didn't find many amongst the crowd if I remember correctly.

Nodin

Corkfeen wrote: »

Indeed. On The Daily Show, they spent a segment finding black people at the republican convention..... They didn't find many amongst the crowd if I remember correctly.

....which is a direct legacy of this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

You'll note they don't like to mention it too often when talking about why they lost the black vote.

legspin

COYW wrote: »

Personally, I think that there are serious racial issues in society as a whole in the USA. Look at the split of votes for Romney and Obama in terms of ethnicity.

Also, the democrats moved away from religion, as opposed to the republicans moving towards it. Religious freedom is at the core of the founding of the USA. The USA was the only country where it was possible for the likes of Mormons or the Amish to evolve in peace. The Amish had to flee to the USA, Pennsylvania iirc, from Europe to escape persecution.

True , but it was also the place the the Puritans went so they could persecute Quakers as so happens, after they were booted out of England for persecuting said Quakers.

(I like Quakers. They strike me as serious, well-meaning but most importantly, do no harm sorts).

That puritannical cruelty is still writ large within the GOP.

decimatio

Few things.

Yes the USA does have a lot of issues with race, that's undeniable. A particular sore point of mine is how they group people based on skin colour and how ones skin colour actually does play a part in defining people or defining how people think of you. I do think however that the USA deserves the benefit of the doubt. Ireland, indeed most of the rest of the world, are still largely homogeneous societies so until we are as diverse as them then we don't know if we would be better or worse from a race relations perspective. I'd hope for the former but it's certainly not a given.

Did some/many black people vote for Obama because he's black? Undoubtedly. Did most? Probably not.

Is it racist to vote for a minority because they're a minority? Absolutely.

Duggys Housemate

Nodin wrote: »

Seeing as well over 70% vote democrat on average anyway, its a bit much to say that they vote for him as a bloc because hes black.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/09/07/black-influence-on-democratic-party-is-far-greater-than-republican-party/

Not really understanding the stats then Nodin? If the democratic black vote is 70% and it increases to 90%+ with a black president, then there is a clear link between the race of the president and his vote amongst blacks. Not that i think that is much of an issue, but it is there.

Obliq

Sarky wrote: »

I always reckoned those soft hands of his would be very... dexterous.

eWWW! Prefer hands that look like they could crush rock myself. Ideally, also be dexterous enough to tune a chainsaw, among other things.....;)

Dades

Obliq wrote: »

eWWW! Prefer hands that look like they could crush rock myself.

Sarky

Hey, if callouses and arthritis are what does it for you, go nuts.

Obliq

I like the hard life

Nodin

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Not really understanding the stats then Nodin? If the democratic black vote is 70% and it increases to 90%+ with a black president, then there is a clear link between the race of the president and his vote amongst blacks. Not that i think that is much of an issue, but it is there.

....if it increases from 70% to 90% then its clearly ridiculous to say that 'the black population vote for obama because he's black'.

Gbear

Nodin wrote: »

Seeing as well over 70% vote democrat on average anyway, its a bit much to say that they vote for him as a bloc because hes black.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/09/07/black-influence-on-democratic-party-is-far-greater-than-republican-party/

Nevertheless, a 20% swing is quite significant.

The argument wasn't that "all white people voting for Romney are racists and all black people voting for Obama are too".

There's clearly an element of racialism on both sides - it's still a stretch to condemn positive discrimination as much as negative discrimination though.

Duggys Housemate

20% of total votes, of course.

Its a 28.5% increase in the black democratic vote and a 66% decrease in the black republican vote for a black candidate.

Galvasean

ShooterSF wrote: »

But logically it follows that white people know white people best and, understanding their needs better, will mean they should vote white.

Other factors come in too. For example, big business men voted for Romney because as a big business man they felt he'd help them out etc. etc.

ShooterSF

Galvasean wrote: »

Other factors come in too. For example, big business men voted for Romney because as a big business man they felt he'd help them out etc. etc.

That's more logical though. Blacks are as diverse as whites. There's rich black people and poor, educated and not, conservative and liberal, religious and atheist. I think those issues are more important than sharing skin colour. You (royal you) could maybe argue for it as a tie breaker.

Doctor DooM

I'm amazed more people aren't discussing the effect of the internet on this election. Last time around, everyone was.

Romney got hammered on the internet. He ended up having to constantly talk about all the nasty things his party had said over the prior months, at times, instead of pushing his message forward. Then there was binders full of women...

old hippy

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I'm amazed more people aren't discussing the effect of the internet on this election. Last time around, everyone was.

Romney got hammered on the internet. He ended up having to constantly talk about all the nasty things his party had said over the prior months, at times, instead of pushing his message forward. Then there was binders full of women...

MetalDog

Fuckin' hell . . . . with attitudes like that in the States, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a Second American Civil War.

I wonder though how these rednecks find the time to go on twitter when their usually too busy screwing their own sisters or appearing on Jerry Springer.

COYW

COYW wrote: »

Also, the democrats moved away from religion, as opposed to the republicans moving towards it.

On the national stage maybe, there's still close links through black baptist churches and the like.

ShooterSF wrote: »

But logically it follows that white people know white people best and, understanding their needs better, will mean they should vote white.

The ****?

Nodin wrote: »

Seeing as well over 70% vote democrat on average anyway, its a bit much to say that they vote for him as a bloc because hes black.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/09/07/black-influence-on-democratic-party-is-far-greater-than-republican-party/

Ok so an increase from 70% to over 90% is purely down to a couple of million black people discovering that they really agree with the Democrats around the time of the presidential elections that Obama runs in.