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Bill O Reilly's "white establishment" comments

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    #32
    oppenheimer1
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    Last night really cemented the fact that dinosaurs like O'Reilly are finally becoming extinct.

    No it didn't. While Obama won the electoral college easily, the popular vote was almost 50:50.

    Additionally, the Republicans also won the House of Representatives.


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    #33
    SuperInfinity
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Spiritual, you're just rambling and I think your smileys are obnoxious. Sure you can say I must be wrong, and you can say Fox News is wrong and stupid, and how you secretly like the fact that I think your smileys are obnoxious and whatever more nonsense you dream up to make you feel like you have a 1-up on other people. But just have a look in the mirror before you accuse anyone else of being disingenuous and stupid again.


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    #34
    Lenin Skynard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Spiritual, you're just rambling and I think your smileys are obnoxious. Sure you can say I must be wrong, and you can say Fox News is wrong and stupid, and how you secretly like the fact that I think your smileys are obnoxious and whatever more nonsense you dream up to make you feel like you have a 1-up on other people. But just have a look in the mirror before you accuse anyone else of being disingenuous and stupid again.

    Smilies aren't obnoxious, telling someone to "shut up" and calling them "stupid" is most certainly obnoxious and probably against the forum charter.

    It's not him that needs to look in the mirror.


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    #35
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Bigus wrote: »
    I thought you were talking about the oki doke Bill :D

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHGcSMtyQ-E


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    #36
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Obama is the ruination of the USA and soon enough down the line certain states will secede from the Union and there could very well be a 2nd Civil War along racial lines over there, White "middle" America is armed to teeth and all it would take is one Republican to stir the pot and he'd have enough followers to fight for them.

    Obama is a Socialist and is a perfect antithesis of what the USA used to be about. GWB was a good old fashioned right winger and everyone loves to blame him and the Republicans for the financial mess the USA is in. America is suppose to be land of the free and dog eat dog, nowadays it is moving more and more left and this has been proved time and time again not to work.

    When Lehman Bros. went bust what did GWB do? Nothing he did nothing and left them go burst in the biggest bankruptcy ever, this was pefect market sense. When Obama came in he gave bailouts to the biggest corporate crooks going and threw a few shekels down the food chain towards the Social Security System.

    I think it is rather Ironic that 23 years after the collapse of the Iron Curtain, the United States is bankrupt and a practical socialist state, new Russia is booming and a good an example of Capitalism as you get. Handouts in Russia you gotta be kidding me, in Obama's America its a case of Welfare Nation, whilst the WASP "traditional" American is crippled by Obama's socialist vision.

    If people think Obama is good for America then they are truly deluded.


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    #37
    Spiritual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭Spiritual


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Spiritual, you're just rambling and I think your smileys are obnoxious. Sure you can say I must be wrong, and you can say Fox News is wrong and stupid, and how you secretly like the fact that I think your smileys are obnoxious and whatever more nonsense you dream up to make you feel like you have a 1-up on other people. But just have a look in the mirror before you accuse anyone else of being disingenuous and stupid again.

    What is your issue? I laugh at Fox News I posted that, why are you getting so het up about that?


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    #38
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Bwahaha is the only response to that little lecture.


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    #39
    SuperInfinity
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    Smilies aren't obnoxious, telling someone to "shut up" and calling them "stupid" is most certainly obnoxious and probably against the forum charter.

    It's not him that needs to look in the mirror.

    Wachu talking about? I never called him stupid, but he called everyone on the channel Fox News stupid multiple times. Shut up may be impolite, but it's hardly a terrible insult against a person's integrity.

    Inappropriate smileys are obnoxious yes. On the other hand I wouldn't call being insulted "obnoxious" as a rule at all.


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    #40
    Da Shins Kelly
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    Obama is the ruination of the USA and soon enough down the line certain states will secede from the Union and there could very well be a 2nd Civil War along racial lines over there, White "middle" America is armed to teeth and all it would take is one Republican to stir the pot and he'd have enough followers to fight for them.

    Obama is a Socialist and is a perfect antithesis of what the USA used to be about. GWB was a good old fashioned right winger and everyone loves to blame him and the Republicans for the financial mess the USA is in. America is suppose to be land of the free and dog eat dog, nowadays it is moving more and more left and this has been proved time and time again not to work.

    When Lehman Bros. went bust what did GWB do? Nothing he did nothing and left them go burst in the biggest bankruptcy ever, this was pefect market sense. When Obama came in he gave bailouts to the biggest corporate crooks going and threw a few shekels down the food chain towards the Social Security System.

    I think it is rather Ironic that 23 years after the collapse of the Iron Curtain, the United States is bankrupt and a practical socialist state, new Russia is booming and a good an example of Capitalism as you get. Handouts in Russia you gotta be kidding me, in Obama's America its a case of Welfare Nation, whilst the WASP "traditional" American is crippled by Obama's socialist vision.

    If people think Obama is good for America then they are truly deluded.
    You're trippin', yo.


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    #41
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Superinfinity banned.


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    #42
    Pherekydes
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    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Bwahaha is the only response to that little lecture.

    Stinicker's? :D

    It's democracy in action, Stinicker. Suck it up. :pac:


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    #43
    dr.bollocko
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Stinicker's? :D

    It's democracy in action, Stinicker. Suck it up. :pac:

    The Republicans tried pandering, scare-mongering, buying the election, preventative measures to try and stop people voting in democrat voting areas, and lots and lots and lots of good old fashioned lying.

    And they still lost.

    So now it's back to the scare mongering.


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    #44
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    My name is URL wrote: »
    lmao.. since when has the 'white establishment' been the majority? You'd swear that rich, middle-aged white men have made up the majority of the population until a few years ago by the way he goes on. Nothing at all to do with the 'white establishment' stepping on the rights of others for centuries like.

    In the US, the number of women has been greater than the number of men. This is due to many reasons. However, there is a reason why women are considered a "minority" group and it has nothing to do with numbers.


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    #45
    Da Shins Kelly
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    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Shut up. It's a good channel and they believe in what they're doing. You may not agree with it, that's no reason to call them stupid.

    So many joke young liberals around nowadays, they don't know anything.

    People need to stop throwing around the word 'liberal' as if it's some kind of insult and instantly makes them better than the person they disagree with. That'd be some Fox News rhetoric right there. ;)

    With regards to O' Reilly, I don't think he' stupid. I think he's an intelligent guy who knows that saying outrageous things makes good television and will get ratings. He knows exactly what he's doing. Doesn't make him any less of an asshole though.


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    #46
    Cienciano
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    He's right, the man that most people want gets voted in. It's a disgrace :pac:


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    #47
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Stinicker's? :D

    It's democracy in action, Stinicker. Suck it up. :pac:

    I wouldn't really consider the US system to be a great example of Democracy and whilst Obama won the popular vote under 1 in 3 Americans actually voted and they have two parties Left and Right and the only good thing about the US system is Obama will be gone in 4 years. GWB should have lost in 2000 also and Gore been President.


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    #48
    Grayson
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    I just watched the clip and he's 100% right. He said that people felt the existing system was stacked against them and so they were going to for for "things". He said people like black, Hispanics and women especially were going to vote because they wanrted things.

    That's where the clip ended. But he's right. All those people will vote because the system is stacked against them and they want to see equality and "stuff" like that.

    I guess it all depends on what you view his word "things" as. But it pretty much describes most voters


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    #49
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So recent immigrants are a majority now?

    Jesus talk about hysteria. "Entitlements" include "free" healthcare etc., and they're things that Obama supporters and Democrats are more in favour of than Republicans.

    I also love the narrative that only rich people vote for Republicans, America ain't doing too bad if it has that many rich folk.

    Under Obama, health care won't be free. And these entitlements include military dependents, elderly folks, and the extreme poor.


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    #50
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    No it didn't. While Obama won the electoral college easily, the popular vote was almost 50:50.

    Additionally, the Republicans also won the House of Representatives.

    Close, but still no cigar.

    POPULAR VOTE
    OBAMA 60,382,105 50.4%
    ROMNEY 57,590,230 48.1%

    And, the Republicans won the House back in 2010. They were lucky to keep it. They were expecting to win the Senate but several candidates shot themselves in the foot with their ignorant comments on abortion.


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    #51
    Pherekydes
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    Stinicker wrote: »
    I wouldn't really consider the US system to be a great example of Democracy...

    Is this because the "white establishment" is in the minority?

    It all went downhill when women and slaves got the vote.


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    #52
    Stinicker
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    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Is this because the "white establishment" is in the minority?

    It all went downhill when women and slaves got the vote.

    If you knew anything about the American voting system you would have understood what I meant.


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    #53
    enfant terrible
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    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    The Republicans tried pandering, scare-mongering, buying the election, preventative measures to try and stop people voting in democrat voting areas, and lots and lots and lots of good old fashioned lying.

    And they still lost.

    So now it's back to the scare mongering.

    This guy hates Republicans


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    #54
    [Deleted User]
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    Killer Wench wrote: »
    Under Obama, health care won't be free. And these entitlements include military dependents, elderly folks, and the extreme poor.

    It's amazing how every time I post anything against the grain I'm replied to with something I didn't say. Obama would have fully nationalised (or state-paying) healthcare) if he could, as would many of his supporters, they're only going to vote one way. Obama would be more in favour of benefits or "entitlements" for poorer people and so on than Romney would.
    It's a pretty simple statement of fact that O'Reilly made and it's hilarious seeing people trying to paint it as something else. The old "establishment" of white male voters is no longer what holds the balance of power, I don't see the issue with this statement. This quote:
    “People feel that they are entitled to things and which candidate, between the two, is going to give them those things?” he asks.
    again is something I can't see any offence in. Expansion of government programmes and entitlements that Democrats want coincide more with what women and minorities want and surprise, surprise, those people are more likely to vote with the candidate whose views and promises coincide with their views and desires.


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    #55
    oppenheimer1
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    Killer Wench wrote: »
    Close, but still no cigar.

    POPULAR VOTE
    OBAMA 60,382,105 50.4%
    ROMNEY 57,590,230 48.1%

    But that was my point, it was close. So to say the Republican party "the white establishment" are on the way out is ridiculous, when almost half the electorate voted for them.


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    #56
    [Deleted User]
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    But that was my point, it was close. So to say the Republican party "the white establishment" are on the way out is ridiculous, when almost half the electorate voted for them.

    Hispanics as a proportion of the electorate are increasing more quickly with each election cycle. The "white establishment" really means white men or older whites in general and they're not as important anymore. Hispanics of every age group went for Obama, Asians went for Obama, women went for Obama, Blacks went for Obama, gays went for Obama. White men in general went for Romney and I think older voters went for Romney, they're basically the only 2 demographics he won and while they're the biggest in absolute terms they're only 2 of several so not as important as it used to be.


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    #57
    Killer Wench
    Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    But that was my point, it was close. So to say the Republican party "the white establishment" are on the way out is ridiculous, when almost half the electorate voted for them.

    They are on the way out. In order to understand, one must be familiar with WHO is voting in these elections. Obama won the female vote, the youth vote, and the minority vote. Romney won the older, uneducated, White male vote. Older Americans tend to vote more conservatively, but with the rise of the Baby Boomer generation (those who fought in Vietnam and fought for Roe v. Wade), they are likely to be more liberal than their parents generation. They will one day be the older voters and if they are voting more liberal, then there goes the Republican Party's base.

    Historically, the Republican Party could rely on those in the Midwest, the South, those in the military, and older Americans. However, many in the military retreated from Romney because they feared he was too trigger happy; Obama did a great job of proving himself to be behind the military, so he won their vote, too. The Midwest is shifting. Illinois, Ohio, Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin voted for Obama. Even Indiana broke the mold and voted for him back in 2008 but they went for Romney this time. Florida was a Republican stronghold because of its large retired population, but retirees aren't running to Florida any longer... they are going to Arizona and the southwest. But, even then, Obama won Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado. The Republicans kept the South, but that isn't a surprise as it is the last region grasping on to the memories of the "White establishment". There is a growing number of Latinos and Asians in North Carolina which is changing the demographics of that state; this is why this was a much closer race than any of the other states, excluding Virginia and Florida.

    The White establishment is on the way out because they are, quite frankly, dying out. This is why "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was able to be repealed, several states have legalized same sex marriage, and a few are leaning towards de-criminalizing marijuana for social use. It is a changing America.


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    #58
    Squidgy Black
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    Obama might not be right for the US at the moment, but the Republicans really need a slap in the face. They could easily win votes if they weren't so bloody ignorant and coming out with their comments on gay marriage and abortion. They're worse than the catholic church. They need to appease the Democrats supporters to convince them to vote for them, not drive them further away. They were both poor candidates. Obama won the electoral AND the majority though, so there's no denying he won it fair and square.


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    #59
    Da Shins Kelly
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    stetyrrell wrote: »
    Obama might not be right for the US at the moment, but the Republicans really need a slap in the face. They could easily win votes if they weren't so bloody ignorant and coming out with their comments on gay marriage and abortion. They're worse than the catholic church. They need to appease the Democrats supporters to convince them to vote for them, not drive them further away. They were both poor candidates. Obama won the electoral AND the majority though, so there's no denying he won it fair and square.

    They need a third or fourth party in that country. The two party system creates a real 'us and them' situation that only serves to divide people.


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    Squidgy Black
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    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

    They need a third or fourth party in that country. The two party system creates a real 'us and them' situation that only serves to divide people.

    There's a law in their constitution over it, so they can only have two parties running. It's a joke.


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    #61
    af_thefragile
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    He's right, the man that most people want gets voted in. It's a disgrace :pac:

    Democracy is the oppression of the majority!


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