Fernando Torres

GavRedKing

I like Torres but if we managed to do a deal that sent Falcao our way and Torres to Atletico then I can sum it up in one picture.

Would Madrid take him back though?

He's not near the player he once was and his resale value would be pittance.

If they have any sense they'll stay clear unless his price is very low and his wages are majorly downsized.

GavRedKing

rarnes1 wrote: »

Would Madrid take him back though?

He's not near the player he once was and his resale value would be pittance.

If they have any sense they'll stay clear unless his price is very low and his wages are majorly downsized.

If we value Torres at€10-15 million max that would pay off some of Falcao's buy out clause.

Falcao is meant to be collecting €140-150k a week, I'm sure Torres could live off that with the money hes made in the last 5 years.

I still dont think it will happen though but one can dream, it would be ebst for Chelsea and Torres, not so much Ateltico.

carlop

rarnes1 wrote: »

Would Madrid take him back though?

He's not near the player he once was and his resale value would be pittance.

If they have any sense they'll stay clear unless his price is very low and his wages are majorly downsized.

Atletico fans still worship Torres, Atletico's board want many but want to avoid being followed home by maniacal Ultras.

I think Torres would take a pretty big pay cut at this point.

It's a win-win for everybody involved bar the actual footballing prospects of Atletico Madrid, which tend to be neglected anyway.

SlickRic

opr wrote: »

Did you see the game Slick?

i did.

Rafa replaced Lampard for him towards the end of the game when they were looking for a goal.

a switch that was surely antagonising in itself by the way; and Rafa may well have been doing it on purpose, knowing the fans were turning on Torres, and they're desperate for Lampard to stay,

He came on and almost straight off the bat managed to inadvertently block a shot from Demba Ba inside the penalty area. He wasted a few other opportunities shooting wildly off target and lost the ball a couple of times. He clearly came on looking to try and make a point but as with most of his time at Chelsea he looked completely out of sorts.

he was shít.

but he's been shít the whole time he's been at the club, save for a few games. Chelsea fans, at the ground in particular, still would sing his name and get behind him.

now they have Ba.

they;

1. now see what a proper striker could do for them.
2. know that Torres and Rafa come hand-in-hand. they hate Rafa, so some of that hate has now projected onto Torres.

he's been shít, but that didn't seem to matter before

Morzadec

1. Atleti as part of an exchange deal for Falcao (with Torres taking a wage cut and/or Chelsea subsidising part of the wage)

2. Some rich oil club looking to boost their profile.

3. Sees out his contract at Chelsea playing a bit part role.

These are the only options I see for Torres. The massive discrepancy between his wage and his ability make him almost impossible to shift. Also the huge transfer fee paid for him might make Chelsea unwilling to take such a big loss, for prides sakes if nothing else.

It's a very difficult situation for both Chelsea and Torres

passremarkable

stevie on goals on sunday saying he was heartbroken when nando left and reckons he regrets it now.
nando jumped the gun to early imo, he should have held until the summer and left then, he hung himself out to dry, it hurt us fans because we loved him so much. he was adored at anfield. no matter what anyone says about winning champ league with chelsea, majority of players are selfish and want to be on first 11/playing well...you know just by looking at him hes not happy.

djPSB

Torres is goosed and will never be BACK.

Pace was one of his biggest assets and it's gone.

I look at Suarez and wonder will he ever decline like that and I don't think he will.

Suarez is mentally tough and I don't ever see him losing that.

passremarkable

djPSB wrote: »

Torres is goosed and will never be BACK.

Pace was one of his biggest assets and it's gone.

I look at Suarez and wonder will he ever decline like that and I don't think he will.

Suarez is mentally tough and I don't ever see him losing that.

yea agree, pace was his biggest strength, unreal over 10 yards...he used to destroy defenders.
Suarez your right is completely different, hasnt got half the stride, but is far cleverer and obviously way more skillful, his close control is up there with messi imo, not bad at nutmegging either
suarez will always be this way, his body allows it, but i do believe if nando is to recapture any form rafa is the best man to get it out of him

Morzadec

djPSB wrote: »

Torres is goosed and will never be BACK.

Pace was one of his biggest assets and it's gone.

I look at Suarez and wonder will he ever decline like that and I don't think he will.

Suarez is mentally tough and I don't ever see him losing that.

Not just that mental toughness and fighting attitude (though you're right that would be a factor) but Suarez doesn't rely on explosive pace to the same extent as Torres and Suarez seems to have an incredibly good fitness/injury record whereas the opposite is the case for Torres.

I see so many parallels between Torres and Owen's career and sadly for Torres it looks as if his career is going that way.

I've maintained from quite early on that this is not a blip or a loss of form we're seeing, and it's getting harder and harder to argue against this conclusion. Torres is done as a top player.

monkey9

Torres had two amazing seasons in his career, luckily it was at Liverpool with Gerrard helping him out.

Other than that, he wasn't really interested in being a twenty goal plus a season striker.

rossie1977

some of the posts in this thread are laughably bad

"torres is a big success at chelsea because he won champions league and fa cup"

yeah and harry kewell was a huge success at liverpool too because he won champions league and fa cup, that makes his time at liverpool much more successful than his time with leeds :rolleyes:

kfallon

rossie1977 wrote: »

some of the posts in this thread are laughably bad

"torres is a big success at chelsea because he won champions league and fa cup"

yeah and harry kewell was a huge success at liverpool too because he won champions league and fa cup, that makes his time at liverpool much more successful than his time with leeds :rolleyes:

Did Torres play any minutes of either final btw? I honestly can't remember him on the pitch for either but I may be wrong!

He was brilliant but now he's nothing more than a shadow of his former self. He'll keep getting a few goals against rubbish teams....the likes of Njordslund (spelling?), Norwich, Ireland and when he does you'll get the usual stuff from certain pundits (he's looked sharper today than I've seen in a while :rolleyes:) but ultimately his bad games far outweigh his good ones.

His body language in games says it all, doesn't look happy at all!

MUSEIST

kfallon wrote: »

Did Torres play any minutes of either final btw? I honestly can't remember him on the pitch for either but I may be wrong!

He was brilliant but now he's nothing more than a shadow of his former self. He'll keep getting a few goals against rubbish teams....the likes of Njordslund (spelling?), Norwich, Ireland and when he does you'll get the usual stuff from certain pundits (he's looked sharper today than I've seen in a while :rolleyes:) but ultimately his bad games far outweigh his good ones.

His body language in games says it all, doesn't look happy at all!

He came on in the CL final to play RW and won the corner which drogba scored the equaliser from.

In general though he has lost that electric burst of pace he once had and without it he has become extremely average. His confidence looks shattered as a result. I think a move back to spain may do him good.

missingtime

MUSEIST wrote: »

He came on in the CL final to play RW and won the corner which drogba scored the equaliser from.

In general though he has lost that electric burst of pace he once had and without it he has become extremely average. His confidence looks shattered as a result. I think a move back to spain may do him good.

I've wondered would it be an idea to push him over to RW or RWF and play BA up front. I've seen him deliver some quality crosses from that area and would take some pressure off him as well.

Chelsea though probably have better options...

Caveman1

Against Arsenal he made two runs with the ball, both times he burst past defenders and looked lightening quick, but you can see his lack of confidence when he gets towards the goal. its like he slows down because he's thinking what to do.

When a striker is on form they just hit them and most likely they go in. When you lack confidence like Torres you just feel everything is going against you, and thats the look that he has on his face all the time.

IMO he would be more prolific in Spain, it's got to the stage now where it would be best for everyone involved if he moved on.

Regardless of what he goes on to do with Chelsea, he's been there 2 years and made no impression really. he's been a complete flop.

kfallon

MUSEIST wrote: »

He came on in the CL final to play RW and won the corner which drogba scored the equaliser from.

In general though he has lost that electric burst of pace he once had and without it he has become extremely average. His confidence looks shattered as a result. I think a move back to spain may do him good.

He didn't take a peno in the shootout tho, right?

Fowler87

Regardless of the fee do Chelsea fans consider him more of a flop than Shevchenko?

GavRedKing

Fowler87 wrote: »

Regardless of the fee do Chelsea fans consider him more of a flop than Shevchenko?

No, not me anyway.

The only striker I was annoyed that didnt work out was Crespo, its a pity he and his family couldnt settle in London.

Caveman1

kfallon wrote: »

He didn't take a peno in the shootout tho, right?

Supposedly he wanted to take a peno, he wasn't in the forst 5 though, that's why it looked like he was throwing a strop when he was talking with RDM.

Fowler87 wrote: »

Regardless of the fee do Chelsea fans consider him more of a flop than Shevchenko?

I would say Shevchenko was more of a flop, just because he had a bigger reputation & even though Torres isn't setting the world a light he still has a decent record this season.

kfallon

GavRedKing wrote: »

No, not me anyway.

The only striker I was annoyed that didnt work out was Crespo, its a pity he and his family couldnt settle in London.

How many games/goals did Crespo have at the end of his Chelsea career? Always thought he was prolific enough when he played for Chelsea but obviously if his family didn't settle then he wasn't gonna stay!

Guy was a great centre forward in his day!

GavRedKing

kfallon wrote: »

How many games/goals did Crespo have at the end of his Chelsea career? Always thought he was prolific enough when he played for Chelsea but obviously if his family didn't settle then he wasn't gonna stay!

Guy was a great centre forward in his day!

Not sure off the top of my head, Wikipedia says its 73 games, 25 goals.

I thought it was a better rate but its a decent return, after his first loan with AC Milan it was reported his wife and kid stayed in Milan while he moved back to London.

quarryman

Leiva wrote: »

Continuing on from a discussion last night I think this deserves its own thread...

I think Torres time in the Premier League is quickly coming to an end as the guy looks miserable. It looks like he will never reach the heights and prolific goal scoring Chelsea wished for, as its coming on two years now and he has failed to hit any real form.

In his time at Liverpool his first 56 appearances gave him a goal total of 39 'vs' the 11 for Chelsea over the same amount of games to date.

He was never going to hit them figures again, even with the better players around him at Chelsea,but I don't think anyone imagined it would be so dismal.

The guy can still score (don't get me wrong) but for me it's a combination of the wrong move, wrong system and probably still a bit in love with LFC that has contributed to his demise.

I wouldn't mind having him back at Liverpool to see if we could spark something in him again, but at this stage its a risk that is way too pricey in our current state.

I hope for the fella that he gets out of the PL and maybe back to Spain asap as it like looking at an ex in a bad place.

So now a Europa League Cup to add to his Champions League trophy (scoring in both finals) and an FA cup since leaving Liverpool.

Maybe not the "flop" certain fans wanted to portray him as?

I'm sure "being in love with LFC" must be tough for him though

Vintage Torres goal tonight too. Delighted for him. Must wonder at the heights he could have reached had he gone to a top 4 prem club earlier in his career.

monkey9

quarryman wrote: »

So now a Europa League Cup to add to his Champions League trophy (scoring in both finals) and an FA cup since leaving Liverpool.

Maybe not the "flop" certain fans wanted to portray him as?

I'm sure "being in love with LFC" must be tough for him though

Vintage Torres goal tonight too. Delighted for him. Must wonder at the heights he could have reached had he gone to a top 4 prem club earlier in his career.

He wasn't as integral to those triumphs as other players in those squads. Also, he was about 23 when he signed for a top four club so that was a perfectly acceptable age in fairness.

Big Knox

quarryman wrote: »

So now a Europa League Cup to add to his Champions League trophy (scoring in both finals) and an FA cup since leaving Liverpool.

Maybe not the "flop" certain fans wanted to portray him as?

I'm sure "being in love with LFC" must be tough for him though

Vintage Torres goal tonight too. Delighted for him. Must wonder at the heights he could have reached had he gone to a top 4 prem club earlier in his career.

You came in here and dug this up to respond to a 6 month old post with this bitter crap? How old are you, 12? Just be happy for him ffs.

larchielads

torres didnt score in the champs league final unless your counting penalties which lets be honest dont count on your goal record

Johner

larchielads wrote: »

torres didnt score in the champs league final unless your counting penalties which lets be honest dont count on your goal record

Torres didn't take a penalty. He did win the corner which Drogba scored from though.

quarryman

larchielads wrote: »

torres didnt score in the champs league final unless your counting penalties which lets be honest dont count on your goal record

My bad. I was thinking of the semi against Barca.

keith16

First ever player to win:

World Cup
European Cup
Champions League
Europa League

Morzadec

Torres can rightly feel pleased with himself tonight.

However, the point still stands. Torres is finished at the very top level.

Many will point out he's had a decent season - 25 goals in all comps isn't too shabby.

However, 7 Premier League goals in 27 starts and 8 sub appearances is nowhere near good enough.

He is still a decent striker - matches like tonight and the European Cup with Spain show he still has a bit about him.

But I stand by my opinion that his place as a leading striker in the world is over.

He is way behind the likes of RVP, Ibra, Falcao, Aguero, Cavani, Suarez etc...

It's a no-brainer that Chelsea will sign a top centre-forward this summer. They can not challenge for the league without one. Torres will be kept as backup or moved on to a team not competing at the very top level (although this will be problematic due to finances).

I would tip Chelsea for the league next year if they signed Cavani and had Mourinho at the helm. With Torres or Ba leading the line they will fall at least 10 points short.