Fernando Torres

eagle eye

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Thats all very well, but a striker is there to score goals, not make assists for others. When the chips have been down and we needed Torres to step up and score when all the Hazard\mata\oscar trickery isnt working, he has failed.
He rarely shoots and instead waits for a certain type of ball, and even then, he rarely beats the keeper when one on one. His ball control is poor and is the most one dimensional player I have ever seen.
Contrast that with Sturridge, who for all his faults, goes looking for the ball and shoots from almost anyway and with energy and confidence. He makes things happen whereas Torres waits for something to happen.
Theres just too much history with Torres, he has tried to re-invent himself, but ultimately we want him to score goals and lots of them, and score winners.
We want a Tevez, an RVP, a Drogba. Players who score those important goals. We needed him v Utd, but he looked right, saw no one to pass to and fell over hopeing that Mata would score and got himself sent off instead.
We needed him away to swansea, but he just didnt turn up

RDM knew he needed someone else, someone different, but Loc Remy was the closest in the summer but somehow that fell through, and we couldnt get Schurrie and he doesnt believe in Danny for some reason.
So we will try again in Jan and probably over pay for someone

So you are just going to forget about his performances against Newcastle and Arsenal when he was needed.

The man has 4 goals and 3 assists despite being double and triple teamed anytime he is near the box.

When he is needed eh? What about the Nou Camp last season?

Super-Rush

His armband proved he was a red Torres Torres.
He went to Chelsea, his career is dead Torres Torres.
We brought the lad from sunny Spain
His career is dead, he'll never score again.
Fernando Torres Chelsea's number 9.

PhlegmyMoses

Xavi6 wrote: »

It's Roy's fault, no other possible explanation.

He's also responsible for the recession, Hurricane Sandy and anything else that can be pinned on him.

Where was he when Lennon was shot?

Aaron Lennon has been shot? :eek:

Why must the good die young?

Barr

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

We want a Tevez, an RVP, a Drogba. Players who score those important goals. We needed him v Utd, but he looked right, saw no one to pass to and fell over hopeing that Mata would score and got himself sent off instead.
We needed him away to swansea, but he just didnt turn up

I would love to see Defoe at Chelsea. Great finisher and would fit in perfectly.

Maybe AVB would do a straight swap for old times sakes

GavRedKing

Let me put it this way, Torres will always be a better player then Sturridge, simple.

Sturridge has pace and no brain, he couldnt lace Torres boots in terms of football know how and general build up play.

Sturridge is an ok option from the bench but he wont be a starter for Chelsea and even at times RDN has decided to play Ramires wide right instead of Sturridge.

Sturridge may prove me wrong but id seriously doubt it.

Turtyturd

cambo2008 wrote: »

There's a blatantly obvious good reason why.

John Terry picks the team though...it's not like there could be any blatant reason why he wouldn't like him....oh wait.

Barr

Barr wrote: »

I would love to see Defoe at Chelsea. Great finisher and would fit in perfectly.

Maybe AVB would do a straight swap for old times sakes

Defoe blows hot and cold.

Will I Amnt

Turtyturd wrote: »

John Terry picks the team though...it's not like there could be any blatant reason why he wouldn't like him....oh wait.

He's got an ugly bird???

some crackers here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDDR9ubKKw

Sgt Pepper 64

eagle eye wrote: »

So you are just going to forget about his performances against Newcastle and Arsenal when he was needed.

The man has 4 goals and 3 assists despite being double and triple teamed anytime he is near the box.

When he is needed eh? What about the Nou Camp last season?

Yep - a No1 striker who has had the team pretty built around him needs to turn up against the likes of Man U - big games call for big players.
Gone missing in Europe so far as well

Arsenal game - yes he scored, but hardly ran them ragged - we were lucky to hang on. and do you remember his fresh air shot and appeals for a peno?
The newcastle game I'll give you, but the fact is we have played 10 games, mostly against opposition we should beat and the fact remains he should be scoring winning goals but its our defenders who have been doing that.
He has been holding back Chelsea for 2 years now - cant wait to get shot of him.
He's just nowhere near consistant or reliable enough.
especially compared with other big teams like utd

mins per shot = 55.6
total shots =14
mins played = 779, 9 games

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11994/8212744/Time-up-for-Torres-

Paully D

Jesus wept. Reading this thread anyone would think he'd just disappeared off the face of the earth since leaving Liverpool.

In reality, since leaving Liverpool he's won the Champions League, FA Cup, European Championship with Spain and finished top scorer there. He's also significantly increased his weekly wage and is the first choice striker in a title challenging team.

He's doing alright for himself to be honest.

LiamoSail

Paully D wrote: »

Jesus wept. Reading this thread anyone would think he'd just disappeared off the face of the earth since leaving Liverpool.

In reality, since leaving Liverpool he's won the Champions League, FA Cup, European Championship with Spain and finished top scorer there. He's also significantly increased his weekly wage and is the first choice striker in a title challenging team.

He's doing alright for himself to be honest.

I would be off the opinion that it's more rewarding to play the Steven Gerard role then the John o'shea role. That is, be an integral part of the second placed team then an also ran in the winning team

Nobody can dispute the fact that in terms of club football, his most successful spell has been at Chelsea as its a team game and succes is measured in silverware. However, from a personal level, Liverpool was undoubtly the peak of his career

Rekop dog

There's no getting away from the fact that he's been pretty average for some time now, it's not contentious, almost 2 years at Chelsea and scoring at a rate of 1 in every 5 league games, simply not good enough. People have been continually predicting his return to form during this period and he does show glimpses of class now and again but he doesn't have the mentality for a long consistent career at the highest level, and I think motivation will become progressively tougher as once a player enters the going through the motions phase they rarely ever get back to their best.

aidan24326

Paully D wrote: »

Jesus wept. Reading this thread anyone would think he'd just disappeared off the face of the earth since leaving Liverpool.

In reality, since leaving Liverpool he's won the Champions League, FA Cup, European Championship with Spain and finished top scorer there. He's also significantly increased his weekly wage and is the first choice striker in a title challenging team.

He's doing alright for himself to be honest.

Of course he is doing alright for himself but we're only comparing him to what he was 3 or 4 years ago.

It's like Tiger Woods in golf, he still does well but ian't the dominant force that he used to be.

Torres wasn't much more than a peripheral figure in Chelsea's Champions League win and has done nothing to justify the 50 million price tag, nor anything even close.

In contrast if you splashed out 50M for Falcao now I think you'd get your money's worth. He's the player Chelsea thought they were buying.

jesus_thats_gre

rarnes1 wrote: »

some crackers here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDDR9ubKKw

Breaks my heart.

Easily my fav player in a Liverpool shift since Fowler.

Father Damo

MD1990 wrote: »

he has nearly always been poor for Spain including Euro 2008 when his final winning goal masked over his poor performances at the competition

Didnt his run of injuries start not long before Euro 2008? He wasnt fully fit for it IIRC.

i certaintly wouldn't want him back an Anfield
he thought he was too good for the club & look how it turned out for him at Chelsea

Liverpool was the club that he loved. Liverpool is the club that ruined his career. And Liverpool is the club I used to love but have abandoned in part due to this.

Torres was repeatedtly getting injured on international duty. Benitez at the time was unimpressed by the national team medical approach, accusing them of poorly treating his joint best player. From these injuries, Torres was again and again rushed back into first team action. His performances became sub par, his body was under strain, the fans became impatient. By the September before he left out there was a big movement of fans wanting rid of him anyway. When he realised the fans had turned on him, he said fcuk it, left, and got dogs abuse for it. He was left at Chelsea still struggling with the after effects of his chronic injury periods. Injuries that became more and more frequent because Liverpool refused to give him a few months rehab that he really needed.

Over expectation, idiot fans, by this stage Liverpool was becoming a bit too much like Man Utd for my tastes (although I did some hold out until the last straw, the appointment of Dalglish. By that stage, for me, and after the way Hodgson was treated, enough was enough). I wish him every success, and the Euros show he can still pull it off. Probably for the best to go back to Athletico or somewhere he could have a passion for the game at again. But it is sad to say that in my time I cannot recall a player of such top top quality having such a downfall in such a short space of time (not counting the likes of Andy Carroll and other one season wonders, I mean proven world class players). No matter wht, Torres will not reach his old form anywhere, he might be a good player elsewhere, but never again a great player, and in 50 years he will be largely forgotten when us old men recall Messi, Ronaldo and Zidane. And it is mostly the fault of my former fan club Liverpool. Sad stuff.

Will I Amnt

Father Damo wrote: »

Didnt his run of injuries start not long before Euro 2008? He wasnt fully fit for it IIRC.




Liverpool was the club that he loved. Liverpool is the club that ruined his career. And Liverpool is the club I used to love but have abandoned in part due to this.

Torres was repeatedtly getting injured on international duty. Benitez at the time was unimpressed by the national team medical approach, accusing them of poorly treating his joint best player. From these injuries, Torres was again and again rushed back into first team action. His performances became sub par, his body was under strain, the fans became impatient. By the September before he left out there was a big movement of fans wanting rid of him anyway. When he realised the fans had turned on him, he said fcuk it, left, and got dogs abuse for it. He was left at Chelsea still struggling with the after effects of his chronic injury periods. Injuries that became more and more frequent because Liverpool refused to give him a few months rehab that he really needed.

Over expectation, idiot fans, by this stage Liverpool was becoming a bit too much like Man Utd for my tastes (although I did some hold out until the last straw, the appointment of Dalglish. By that stage, for me, and after the way Hodgson was treated, enough was enough). I wish him every success, and the Euros show he can still pull it off. Probably for the best to go back to Athletico or somewhere he could have a passion for the game at again. But it is sad to say that in my time I cannot recall a player of such top top quality having such a downfall in such a short space of time (not counting the likes of Andy Carroll and other one season wonders, I mean proven world class players)

How much of that is fact?
How much is hearsay?
And how much is guesswork?

Father Damo

cambo2008 wrote: »

How much of that is fact?
How much is hearsay?
And how much is guesswork?

Benitez is on record as questioning the Spanish medical set up, IIRC Torres was injured on three internationals in a short space of time.

Will I Amnt

Father Damo wrote: »

Benitez is on record as questioning the Spanish medical set up, IIRC Torres was injured on three internationals in a short space of time.

You could be bang on there on everything for all I know but I've never seen most of that confirmed anywhere.
You would want to have pretty definitive answers to abandon a club.

Also, you say Liverpool is the club he loved. I'd argue Atletico is.
Liverpool is a club he loved. As I'd imagine Chelsea would be if he hit the form expected of him and became a fans favourite but that's highly unlikely.

GavRedKing

cambo2008 wrote: »

You could be bang on there on everything for all I know but I've never seen most of that confirmed anywhere.
You would want to have pretty definitive answers to abandon a club.

Also, you say Liverpool is the club he loved. I'd argue Atletico is.
Liverpool is a club he loved. As I'd imagine Chelsea would be if he hit the form expected of him and became a fans favourite but that's highly unlikely.

The fans have always been behind Torres at Chelsea, hes even said it himself recently that one of the only reasons hes stuck around is to repay the fans faith in him and for not getting on his back.

carlop

Torres loved/loves one club, and it is not Liverpool.

As an Atleti fan, I personally hope he doesn't come back as I don't think he's good enough for them. However, I'd definitely be in a minority in having that opinion, mainly because I've only started supporting Atleti since I moved to Madrid a few years ago and a good few years after Torres left.

Will I Amnt

GavRedKing wrote: »

The fans have always been behind Torres at Chelsea, hes even said it himself recently that one of the only reasons hes stuck around is to repay the fans faith in him and for not getting on his back.

I wasn't suggesting they're not behind him but I don't think he is getting anywhere near the respect and adulation that others in the squad are.

There's a difference between not getting on his back and being a fans favourite.

Sgt Pepper 64

cambo2008 wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting they're not behind him but I don't think he is getting anywhere near the respect and adulation that others in the squad are.

There's a difference between not getting on his back and being a fans favourite.

Agreed - all he has to do though is to start scoring regular! (fans love that about strikers!)

GavRedKing

cambo2008 wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting they're not behind him but I don't think he is getting anywhere near the respect and adulation that others in the squad are.

There's a difference between not getting on his back and being a fans favourite.

Arguably Mata is the fans favourite in the current squad, maybe Lamps could run him close though.

The fans have a respect for Torres that hes willing to still do a job even if things arent going his way in terms of goal scoring and that his overall team play is still very good.

slingerz

Watching Torres in that YouTube clip he just looks a totally different player nowadays he's almost unrecognisable really. In his Liverpool spell he looked the complete forward able to hold the ball up go in behind attack crosses he had it all really if you had only seen that you could understand why Chelsea spent £50 million on hm

niallo27

Father Damo wrote: »

Didnt his run of injuries start not long before Euro 2008? He wasnt fully fit for it IIRC.




Liverpool was the club that he loved. Liverpool is the club that ruined his career. And Liverpool is the club I used to love but have abandoned in part due to this.

Torres was repeatedtly getting injured on international duty. Benitez at the time was unimpressed by the national team medical approach, accusing them of poorly treating his joint best player. From these injuries, Torres was again and again rushed back into first team action. His performances became sub par, his body was under strain, the fans became impatient. By the September before he left out there was a big movement of fans wanting rid of him anyway. When he realised the fans had turned on him, he said fcuk it, left, and got dogs abuse for it. He was left at Chelsea still struggling with the after effects of his chronic injury periods. Injuries that became more and more frequent because Liverpool refused to give him a few months rehab that he really needed.

Over expectation, idiot fans, by this stage Liverpool was becoming a bit too much like Man Utd for my tastes (although I did some hold out until the last straw, the appointment of Dalglish. By that stage, for me, and after the way Hodgson was treated, enough was enough). I wish him every success, and the Euros show he can still pull it off. Probably for the best to go back to Athletico or somewhere he could have a passion for the game at again. But it is sad to say that in my time I cannot recall a player of such top top quality having such a downfall in such a short space of time (not counting the likes of Andy Carroll and other one season wonders, I mean proven world class players). No matter wht, Torres will not reach his old form anywhere, he might be a good player elsewhere, but never again a great player, and in 50 years he will be largely forgotten when us old men recall Messi, Ronaldo and Zidane. And it is mostly the fault of my former fan club Liverpool. Sad stuff.

You come back with this horse**** over and over again about how you used to support Liverpool but you have now turned against them because of the idiot fans, no one gave a **** the last few times you said it and no one cares now.

cj maxx

, Torres was again and again rushed back into first team action. ..., his body was under strain, .....Injuries that became more and more frequent because Liverpool refused to give him a few months rehab that he really needed[/B]

theres a lot of **** in the whole text of the above post but i really dont think anyone can say that the quoted bits in bold (i hope) aren't true , whatever about the op.
the lack of a good striker to deputise for torres ,or two good ones to play , when torres was injured or just squad rotation cost us a title. we had ngo?? and robbie keane, who else voronin?
dirk did an admiral job and his engine and guts are beyond doubt but he was no torres.
torres allowed us to dominate midfield because he was so fuc&in good as a lone striker.
as to treating players well , if the media is to be believed, the hawking xabi to juve , getting the villa captain to put in a transfer request in expectation of a bid to replace him and then not coming up with the moola stank. be it rafa or gillett/hicks.
torres got injured ok but liverpool should have had a plan b to allow for his recovery and did not do him any favours that way

Washington Irving

You made a total balls of that post, cjmc

hefferboi

Father Damo wrote: »

Didnt his run of injuries start not long before Euro 2008? He wasnt fully fit for it IIRC.




Liverpool was the club that he loved. Liverpool is the club that ruined his career. And Liverpool is the club I used to love but have abandoned in part due to this.

Torres was repeatedtly getting injured on international duty. Benitez at the time was unimpressed by the national team medical approach, accusing them of poorly treating his joint best player. From these injuries, Torres was again and again rushed back into first team action. His performances became sub par, his body was under strain, the fans became impatient. By the September before he left out there was a big movement of fans wanting rid of him anyway. When he realised the fans had turned on him, he said fcuk it, left, and got dogs abuse for it. He was left at Chelsea still struggling with the after effects of his chronic injury periods. Injuries that became more and more frequent because Liverpool refused to give him a few months rehab that he really needed.

Over expectation, idiot fans, by this stage Liverpool was becoming a bit too much like Man Utd for my tastes (although I did some hold out until the last straw, the appointment of Dalglish. By that stage, for me, and after the way Hodgson was treated, enough was enough). I wish him every success, and the Euros show he can still pull it off. Probably for the best to go back to Athletico or somewhere he could have a passion for the game at again. But it is sad to say that in my time I cannot recall a player of such top top quality having such a downfall in such a short space of time (not counting the likes of Andy Carroll and other one season wonders, I mean proven world class players). No matter wht, Torres will not reach his old form anywhere, he might be a good player elsewhere, but never again a great player, and in 50 years he will be largely forgotten when us old men recall Messi, Ronaldo and Zidane. And it is mostly the fault of my former fan club Liverpool. Sad stuff.

Hahaha

quarryman

Paully D wrote: »

Jesus wept. Reading this thread anyone would think he'd just disappeared off the face of the earth since leaving Liverpool.

In reality, since leaving Liverpool he's won the Champions League, FA Cup, European Championship with Spain and finished top scorer there. He's also significantly increased his weekly wage and is the first choice striker in a title challenging team.

He's doing alright for himself to be honest.

This. 100% this.

Liverpool fans say it because its what they want to believe. Fact is, he has won everything since he left Liverpool.

I'd say he's more than happy with his career move.