"Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them"

RedRunner

SamforMayo wrote: »

Good luck with appointment. It may well be a case of learning to manage it. Can you swim with this injury? Might keep you sane.

Hopefully SfM. I'll play it by ear for moment but definitely need to do something exercise wise.

Murph_D

Best of luck with it - I'm staying optimistic on your prognosis.

FBOT01

Keep the faith, RR.

Marthastew

Keeping fingers and toes crossed for you R:)

DOCO12

Best of luck RR, really hoping you get some good news.

Ososlo

Any news R with appointment?
Any improvement?

Cleanman

Just catching up on your log RR. Sorry to hear about the injury but like a lot of people here, I'm staying optimistic for you. Injuries suck and can be really depressing. Chin up and best of luck with the specialist.

RedRunner

Ososlo wrote: »

Any news R with appointment?
Any improvement?

Hi A. Yes to improvement. Back at work now and although its not 100% I'm optimisitic i could probably run within the next 7 days.

No to appointment. Rang his secretary yesterday to be told the file is with him but his next free slots are mid-late October! So much for private helath fcking insurance! So I've got a dilemma. I've got the OH telling me I'd be mad to run without talking to the specialist first. Everyone else is saying ah yeah it must be the running causing the back problem. Arrgghh!

I'm thinking, if I feel back to normal that I'll go back doing easy running. It's happened to me before and I cam back, ran a marathon, raced lots of PBs so why now do I have to wait for a specialist opinion?

I'm really depressed now, and I didn't get a job that recently interviewed for !

Ecoli...if you are looking in, would appreciate your opinion here, would even make an appointment to get an assessment if that would help!

Cleanman wrote: »

Just catching up on your log RR. Sorry to hear about the injury but like a lot of people here, I'm staying optimistic for you. Injuries suck and can be really depressing. Chin up and best of luck with the specialist.

Cheers T . I know you've had your own problems too.Thanks for the optimism. I'm already checking out Spring marathons though,just in case.

Bahanaman

Still seven weeks Red! Don't give in yet. Remember all those saying the running is the cause of your bad back have probably never run in their lives! (Remember for me my back problems lessened AFTER I took up running!)If you get back doing a bit in the next week Dublin could still be on. You should try anyway and then at least you'll know you gave it a shot. I just hope it works out for you either way.

RedRunner

Bahanaman wrote: »

Still seven weeks Red! Don't give in yet. Remember all those saying the running is the cause of your bad back have probably never run in their lives! (Remember for me my back problems lessened AFTER I took up running!)If you get back doing a bit in the next week Dublin could still be on. You should try anyway and then at least you'll know you gave it a shot. I just hope it works out for you either way.

Definitely not giving in yet Bahanaman. 3.30 attempt is definitely off the cards but I'll settle for making the start line now and just enjoying it and a few pints in McGrattans afterwards!:)

SamforMayo

No one know s that running is the problem, I know many people never ran a step in their life and have back problems. I wouldn't attempt any thing until you are completely pain free for at least a week. Good luck with the recovery and keep the chin up. My Oh has disc problems, still plays football, it can be a matter of identifying the triggers and managing it.

RedRunner

SamforMayo wrote: »

No one know s that running is the problem, I know many people never ran a step in their life and have back problems. I wouldn't attempt any thing until you are completely pain free for at least a week. Good luck with the recovery and keep the chin up. My Oh has disc problems, still plays football, it can be a matter of identifying the triggers and managing it.

Thanks a mill SfM. That's pretty much what I've been doing for the last few years.

I do hate this pre conceived notion by non runners that distance runners are inevitably going to end up as cripples when they are older. Really pi55es me off!

RedRunner

40 mins and 20k on the static bike.

Can bring my knees right up to my chest in stretching routine on the floor. Couldn't bring them past my hips not so long ago. if rate of improvement in the back continues this way I may target a park run on Saturday and just jog around it.

Positivity ,Positivity, Positivity!

tang1

Good to see your back has improved R, as you said you've come back from a similar injury previously without some specialists help and ran loads of PB's. No reason why you wont do it again, hope Saturday goes well for you.

RedRunner

40 mins and 20k on the static bike again followed by some stretching.

All good.

It struck me today that exactly this time last year I pulled out of Athlone HM due to back problem. I was supposed to be paired up with Blockic that day in the Boardsie competition but it wasn't to be. Must have a look back over my log to see how I recovered in the days after that.

RedRunner

The eldest boy had a football match in St Annes tonight. The weather was great, the back has been improving gradually each day and I hadn't run in 18 days....could I ?...perhaps chance it....see how the body reacts?

1 mile...what harm could that do eh? So I put the shoes, shorts on, brought the lad to the match, helped put up the nets and then I went off for my 1 mile trot. I was moving again, just one foot in front of the other, easy does it. Any pains? No. Feeling ok? Yes. Feeling fit? No! Legs heavy? Yes!...but I'm running again ,excellent! So the mile went by and I said right ,ok then I'll try two but that will be it. Around St Annes pitches, taking in some of the rose garden and then some of the park run course I clocked up my 2 miles. I could have gone further but no point in pushing my luck.Baby steps I said to myself.

Watched the rest of the match which they won 7-3 then proceeded back to car after helping with the nets again and when I got to car park some guy managed to get his car stuck the wrong side of the kerb and couldn't get out. Couldn't refuse his cry for help.Couldnt really wimp out and say I've a dodgy back ! Anyway between a few of us we got him out and no harm done to the Cilla Black.

Got home and did 30 mins on the static bike (14k) just nice and easy and I feel good. Now I'd be lying if I said my back isn't sore at all because it is but when I was running it was absolutely fine and I'm pretty sure easy running doesn't aggravate it.In fact I think it helps it. Being back at work and sitting a lot is what is causing this residual discomfort. Yeah I think discomfort is a better description than pain. I don't need to take the painkillers as often this week and I'm still taking the anti-inflammatories (Naprosyn) which must be a slow working one? Anyway I'm rambling a bit now.

So just over 6 weeks to go to DCM. Can I make it to the start line? Who knows.I've lost a lot of fitness, I'll need to build back up slowly and just peak in time for DCM if it is to happen but there is a flicker of light at the end of the tunnel, just a flicker. If I can get some decent runs in over the next 6 weeks , training I did for London and the miles since just might get me round for an enjoyable day out and I'll settle for that right now!

2miles @9:16

WTD|2
MTD|2
YTD|1224.92

Ososlo

Good news. Very good news.
So what's the strategy next? Another 2-3 tomorrow?

Gavlor

Ososlo wrote: »

Good news. Very good news.
So what's the strategy next? Another 2-3 tomorrow?

I wouldn't imagine that running on consecutive days would be a good idea with such an injury.

Ps robbie, take off the stabilisers and get out on the road

RedRunner

Ososlo wrote: »

Good news. Very good news.
So what's the strategy next? Another 2-3 tomorrow?

Not sure. Maybe nothing, just more bike work and then do the park run on Saturday and try run every second day until next weekend with HM as an LSR?

Not thinking any further than that at the moment. Whadda ya think? Or just try 2 again tomorrow anyway?

RedRunner

Gavlor wrote: »

I wouldn't imagine that running on consecutive days would be a good idea with such an injury.

Ps robbie, take off the stabilisers and get out on the road

Ha ha, would love to but I'll have to get myself a decent bike first! I've just got a crappy Mountain bike that barely gets me from A to B at moment.

Ososlo

RedRunner wrote: »

Not sure. Maybe nothing, just more bike work and then do the park run on Saturday and try run every second day until next weekend with HM as an LSR?

Not thinking any further than that at the moment. Whadda ya think? Or just try 2 again tomorrow anyway?

Yeah like Gavlor said maybe running again tomorrow is not the best idea. I guess it depends on how you feel now and how you feel in the morning.

Would you be able to ensure you don't get carried away with the Parkrun and run a bit hard? If it were me I'd probably just do a few easy/recovery effort miles on my own on Saturday and play it by ear - stop if necessary.

overpronator

Great stuff R, delighted to hear of your improvement but seriously though, keep it sensible, listen to your head (and back) instead of those itchy legs;)

Gavlor

RedRunner wrote: »

Ha ha, would love to but I'll have to get myself a decent bike first! I've just got a crappy Mountain bike that barely gets me from A to B at moment.

Cycle to work scheme?

Some great value starter road bikes out there. Give me a shout if you're considering buying.

By the way, make sure that your saddle position and handle bar height is set up correctly on the static bike. 1 hour on an incorrect setup would put a strain on hercules back! Just look up YouTube for a demo

tang1

Good stuff, glad the run went well & you had zero issues with the back. Baby steps as you said.

RedRunner

Ososlo wrote: »

Yeah like Gavlor said maybe running again tomorrow is not the best idea. I guess it depends on how you feel now and how you feel in the morning.

Would you be able to ensure you don't get carried away with the Parkrun and run a bit hard? If it were me I'd probably just do a few easy/recovery effort miles on my own on Saturday and play it by ear - stop if necessary.

Yeah, I'll leave it tomorrow then. Just remembered I've a retirement do at work so I'll have a few pints instead

Re the Park Run. Yes pretty sure I could be disciplined especially if I take the youngster with me, though he has a bit of a sore foot at the moment. Maybe Murph_D could pace me to a sensible 26/27 mins since all his hard work is done.:D

overpronator wrote: »

Great stuff R, delighted to hear of your improvement but seriously though, keep it sensible, listen to your head (and back) instead of those itchy legs;)

Thanks. I'll be a rock of sense!

Gavlor wrote: »

Cycle to work scheme?

Some great value starter road bikes out there. Give me a shout if you're considering buying.

By the way, make sure that your saddle position and handle bar height is set up correctly on the static bike. 1 hour on an incorrect setup would put a strain on hercules back! Just look up YouTube for a demo

Yes, I'll consider that but also considering changing jobs at moment so not sure how that'd work if I left for new job. I'll give you a shout for advice on model though so thanks for that and the youtube tip.

tang1 wrote: »

Good stuff, glad the run went well & you had zero issues with the back. Baby steps as you said.

Cheers. Nothing but the pitter patter of baby steps,promise!

DOCO12

Great to see you got a run in.

Bahanaman

So just over 6 weeks to go to DCM. Can I make it to the start line?

Yes you can!!

Murph_D

Careful now.

Happy to accompany you on a mid pack 26-27 min parkrun if you decide to do one. However I'm not sure whether that's a good idea or not, seriously. I think if it were me I'd maybe do a few more shorter ones first, on grass preferably.

HelenAnne

RedRunner wrote: »

Being back at work and sitting a lot is what is causing this residual discomfort. Yeah I think discomfort is a better description than pain.

2miles @9:16

Well done!

I find the same with sitting. My back is 90% perfect, but after a busy day at work yesterday it didn't feel sore, but it sort of felt like my lower back had contracted a bit and was tight.

I'm trying to get up and stretch (secretly, in the store room so people don't think I'm very odd) every 40 minutes or so, and I'm doing that lying down thing we were talking about. Can you get up and stretch at work etc? You don't want to undo all your improvements by being back at the office.

RedRunner

Murph_D wrote: »

Careful now.

Happy to accompany you on a mid pack 26-27 min parkrun if you decide to do one. However I'm not sure whether that's a good idea or not, seriously. I think if it were me I'd maybe do a few more shorter ones first, on grass preferably.

Thanks D. Knowing your inside knowledge of this problem I will give that serious thought. The 26-27 was just an arbitrary figure I picked would more likely go slower if I do decide to do the park run. Interestingly my back feels the best it has all week today. Is that a coincidence? Not sure. I'll sleep on the idea of park run and decide in morning anyway.