Star Wars: The Force Awakens [** SPOILERS FROM POST 4472 ONWARD **]

karaokeman

Have any broadsheets reported on this rumour?

Tbh I don't think its a good idea, especially if Vader will be on the dark side again.

"Father I turned you back before, and I will do it again" says Luke.

Sure he's iconic but we had Vader for three and half films, hasn't Disney heard the saying there's only so much milk you can get from a cow.

Kinski

I wouldn't put much stock in these sort of rumours at this stage, but the character is dead, and the suit should be retired. As Plinkett perceptively noted, one of the core problems with the prequel trilogy was how Lucas overused the series' iconography. Vader became the focus simply because the suit and voice are iconic; lightsabers were wielded by everyone at every opportunity; Boba Fett - a cult favourite but always a minor character - was promoted to a major role; and even Obi-Wan's floating-ball training game from the first film made an appearance.

Disney should forget about Vader, forget about the Death Star, forget about storm troopers, and look for aspects of the Star Wars' universe which were introduced in the original trilogy but never fully developed. What those would be I'm not sure (I'd need to go back and watch them again) but there must be stuff there.

Sad Professor

I admire the optimism with which many people have greeted this news, but I think it's fair to say that Disney didn't spend all that money so they could do something original with Star Wars. The fact that they described Kennedy, the new head of LucasFilm, as the Star Wars "brand manager" in the press release should tell you everything you need to know about the future direction of the franchise. This is Hollywood: doing something original is a big risk when you can just dish out more or the same and still rake it in.

Having said that, I'm sure the first film will be good. It has to be. But after that I expect the series to follow the pattern of the Bond movies.

brianregan09

Yeah i definitly call BS on the Vader story, As for somone else wearing the suit...No...just no , That would **** all over the originals again and proof that they were too lazy to come up with a new evil, Like i know theres the rule of 2 and all that but there is definitly more Sith left after Vader and Palpatine, also the empire isn't all gone just because the deathstar blew up , Vaders Galactic Empire is spread across....the Galaxy so im sure they could continue the rebel war with Luke trying to start up the JEdi Order again

Handsome Bob

Is there a Vader clone in the expanded universe? Or am I confusing him with Palpatine?

OU812

I'd much rather they brought back Darth Maul, killing him off that early was a total waste of a character. Hell I'd even settle for Darth Maul's more evil twin to come back & avenge his death.

karaokeman

I like Star Wars the way it is, they don't need to turn it into Dragonball Z, no one needs to be brought back from the grave.

The whole point of the sequel trilogy should be for Luke to form a new Jedi order, and (more than likely) a new sith order to rise from the ashes of the old Empire that are still spread across the galaxy. If anyone old was resurrected it would just spoil that, they should definitely show more of Anakin as a force ghost, but most definitely not Vader.

Beefy78

I can see Vader in it somehow. As a ghost, as a dream, something. He is iconic and he is money. But to actually resurrect him would be to tarnish the whole point of the previous six films.

pauldla

Resurrecting Vader would be unthinkable. It would kill the franchise. It would be like bringing back the Alien for yet one more film, or showing Indiana Jones in his sixties still doing his stuff, or having a female Terminator that could inflate it's boobs, or....oh, wait.

quad_red

Is it possible to make a new trilogy that exists in the same universe and is consistent with the old stuff without just aping it?

As has been mentioned before - Lucas being taken out of the drivers seat can only be a good thing. Of all the travesties he inflicted upon us, screwing up the first big Vader scene ranks up there.

In the end though - at least a change of control gives the possibility that decent, entertaining films might result.

I just want a decent, entertaining, exciting film! I'm an adult so I will not connect to these films, however good they are, the same way I did to the original films when I was a kid.

But my son may... it'll be interesting to see

karaokeman

Beefy78 wrote: »

I can see Vader in it somehow. As a ghost, as a dream, something. He is iconic and he is money. But to actually resurrect him would be to tarnish the whole point of the previous six films.

I'm guessing by Vader as a ghost you mean Anakin, as we saw at the end of Episode VI?

Since Anakin and Vader are one in the same, I don't see how we could see Vader in the black suit as a force ghost.

Beefy78

karaokeman wrote: »

I'm guessing by Vader as a ghost you mean Anakin, as we saw at the end of Episode VI?

Since Anakin and Vader are one in the same, I don't see how we could see Vader in the black suit as a force ghost.

No I mean Vader, suit and all. If the story has any truth to it then that's the character that Disney want to bring back not Anakin Skywalker.

Obviously it wouldn't make sense.

paddy kerins

Rumours popping up before any script is written, sounds legit :rolleyes:

Any word on a director? I really do hope that it will be Whedon, but it's unlikely.

In Buffy/Angel he proved that he can write extremely strong characters (especially female leads, which is something that was always lacking from the previous Star Wars movies, bar Leia). In the Avengers he showed that he can handle multiple larger-than-life characters and have huge fight scenes that don't descend in to the confusing mess that is normally associated with Bay. In Firefly and Serenity he showed that he can do proper science fiction. Hell, in Cabin in the Woods he showed that he can also just have a lot of fun.

Like I said, it's probably unlikely, especially with Avengers 2, but one can only dream.

FlashD

No Vader = No Star Wars! ....IMO

Imagine 'The Dark Knight' without Batman

or 'Raiders' without Indy.

norrie rugger

Vader is not the central character, in Star Wars.

More like imagine Batman without Joker (done)
Imagine "Indianna Jones" without Indian witch doctors (done) or Nazis (done). Communists you say?? that never happened

Luke is the central character, in Star Wars. Even at that he could easily pass on the story

kitakyushu

The little gay robots are the central characters. They better be back for ep7, still bickering like a couple of old queens.

PaulB1984

I'm 80/20 with the whole Disney/LucasFilm deal. Yes Disney will milk the franchise, yes there will be at least 12 spin-off cartoon shows based on various characters, yes we'll be seeing Darth Vadar On Ice at the RDS very soon. But on the plus side, a whole new Star Wars trilogy, a whole new team to work on them (Imagine Pixar's crew behind them) and the original versions before Lucas ruined them will no doubt be seeing the light of day with snazzy new Blu-Ray releases, replacing the much hated existing Blu-Ray collection (Which i flat-out refuse to buy unless it's under €20). Star Wars fans should be rejoicing, not going crazy with fits of rage. Also, Lucas controls Indiana Jones, so expect a lot on that front too.

norrie rugger

PaulB1984 wrote: »

Also, Lucas controls Indiana Jones, so expect a lot on that front too.

There is a Paramount tie in there too that could muddy the waters.
Indy is far more important to me than Star Wars TBH, so would love to see Indy rebooted.

Enjoyed watching Star Wars but never bought into it. The entire emotion=evil thing always bugged the crap out of me

PaulB1984

norrie rugger wrote: »

There is a Paramount tie in there too that could muddy the waters.
Indy is far more important to me than Star Wars TBH, so would love to see Indy rebooted.

Enjoyed watching Star Wars but never bought into it. The entire emotion=evil thing always bugged the crap out of me

Same with 20th Century Fox on Star Wars too, they may intervene. But i agree, although i really do have a lot of love for Star Wars, i far prefer Indiana Jones, massive fan of the 4 movies, really feel Crystal Skull got a horrible hammering which it never deserved, i've loved it since it's release, it fits the series perfectly.

PaulB1984

FlashD wrote: »

No Vader = No Star Wars! ....IMO

Imagine 'The Dark Knight' without Batman

or 'Raiders' without Indy.

The Dark Knight Rises had no Batman.

norrie rugger

PaulB1984 wrote: »

Same with 20th Century Fox on Star Wars too, they may intervene. But i agree, although i really do have a lot of love for Star Wars, i far prefer Indiana Jones, massive fan of the 4 movies, really feel Crystal Skull got a horrible hammering which it never deserved, i've loved it since it's release, it fits the series perfectly.

Crystal Skull had great premise. I have no problem with

Aliens

in the Indy mythology.
I do have a problem with surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge, CGI gophers, bad CGI sound stage effects (like outside the hanger), bad cgi monkeys, bad acting, bad dialogue and MOST of all Shíta LeBeouf

Sad Professor

Indy didn't factor into this deal at all as Paramount own the sequel rights. This deal was all about the sequel and merchandising rights to Star Wars, which Fox gave to Lucas for nothing in '76.

mayordenis

PaulB1984 wrote: »

The Dark Knight Rises had no Batman.

I'm calling shenanigans on this.

PaulB1984

norrie rugger wrote: »

Crystal Skull had great premise. I have no problem with

Aliens

in the Indy mythology.
I do have a problem with surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge, CGI gophers, bad CGI sound stage effects (like outside the hanger), bad cgi monkeys, bad acting, bad dialogue and MOST of all Shíta LeBeouf

Well, the firdge thing was intended as a gag, but in realism, it is lead-lined. CGI gopher was pointless, but cute and harmless to the movie. To be fair, the earlier trilogy also have a lot of really bad effects, silly add-ons (Just as CS has gophers) and dumb dialogue, that's what made them work i reckon. Shia could've been a little better, but he gives it his best shot, and i do like him as a movie star, he's proved himself a lot. The

alien

plotline makes up for everything.

CastorTroy

PaulB1984 wrote: »

I'm 80/20 with the whole Disney/LucasFilm deal. Yes Disney will milk the franchise, yes there will be at least 12 spin-off cartoon shows based on various characters, yes we'll be seeing Darth Vadar On Ice at the RDS very soon. But on the plus side, a whole new Star Wars trilogy, a whole new team to work on them (Imagine Pixar's crew behind them) and the original versions before Lucas ruined them will no doubt be seeing the light of day with snazzy new Blu-Ray releases, replacing the much hated existing Blu-Ray collection (Which i flat-out refuse to buy unless it's under €20). Star Wars fans should be rejoicing, not going crazy with fits of rage. Also, Lucas controls Indiana Jones, so expect a lot on that front too.

"We are the E-E-E-Ewoks and we're one big happy family"

FlashD

norrie rugger wrote: »

Vader is not the central character, in Star Wars.

You must have been watching a different franchise to me so.

Star Wars is about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader.

norrie rugger

FlashD wrote: »

You must have been watching a different franchise to me so.

Star Wars is about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader.

The prequels made this so. The original trilogy was about Luke proving that the light side of the force could triumph and even overcome the damage done to Vader

PaulB1984

CastorTroy wrote: »

"We are the E-E-E-Ewoks and we're one big happy family"

LOL! Now THAT'S a great idea!

Beefy78

Lads, can we please not talk about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I've only just got out therapy recently.

Beefy78

Beefy78 wrote: »

Lads, can we please not talk about Kingdom of the Crystal Skull? I've only just got out therapy recently.

Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, you say? :pac:

kitakyushu

CastorTroy wrote: »

"We are the E-E-E-Ewoks and we're one big happy family"

And who could forget this catchy number from The Police (or possibly some session band who sounded a bit like them?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XCe2XorcY

Something I find humourous is people complaining about Disney going to sell out Star Wars by having merchandise and terrible cartoons and things.

Ehm, don't you already have that now?

CastorTroy

kitakyushu wrote: »

And who could forget this catchy number from The Police (or possibly some session band who sounded a bit like them?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7XCe2XorcY

Just can't beat this, sorry

(Oooh, cool! Denver the Last Dinosaur linked on the youtube page. "He's my friend and a whole lot more")

kitakyushu

CastorTroy wrote: »

Just can't beat this, sorry

(Oooh, cool! Denver the Last Dinosaur linked on the youtube page. "He's my friend and a whole lot more")

I don't remember that music. I think this is the one I knew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTt5Z79g_DM

Anyway let's hope Disney come up with dozens and dozens of new shows just as good. :pac:

rednik

Just No !!

krudler

FlashD wrote: »

You must have been watching a different franchise to me so.

Star Wars is about the rise, fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader.

only since the prequels though, was Luke's story in the originals.

Antar Bolaeisk

rednik wrote: »

Just No !!

[noparse][/noparse]

At least he looks happy in that as opposed to the kill me now look in the other photo.

FlashD

I think we all know that Luke's true calling was to rule through the power of the Dark Side.

Its possible the old crew will return for this, with a new younger crew of heros to battle Luke, that would be special!

pixelburp

Via his Twitter accout, Brad Bird confirmed / insisted he isn't directing Ep7, so we may strike his name off the (wish)list. I believe there were some mutterings about Jon Favreau being at the helm, in the classic fashion of "he was asked and he didn't completely deny it"

paddy kerins

Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote Empire and Jedi, will be writing Episodes 8 and 9 along with Simon Kinberg, who worked on X-Men First Class

Roar

paddy kerins wrote: »

Lawrence Kasdan, who wrote Empire and Jedi, will be writing Episodes 8 and 9 along with Simon Kinberg, who worked on X-Men First Class

Source?

paddy kerins

Roar wrote: »

Source?

I'm not able to link directly but if you go to comicbookmovie.com they have the story there

Marty McFly

CastorTroy

Not a bad mockup. So it's Episode VII: Jaws Strikes Back?
Though the shark still looks fake

missingtime

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/21/3677450/empire-strikes-back-return-of-jedi-new-star-wars

According to The Hollywood Reporter, writers Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg have agreed to write installments of the new Star Wars trilogy, and they will write either Episode 8 or Episode 9. Kasdan's already got some serious credentials under his belt: he previously co-wrote The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and Raiders of the Lost Ark. Kasdan's counterpart Kinberg has written titles including X-Men: The Last Stand, Sherlock Holmes, and Jumper. The Hollywood Reporter says that the writers' exact responsibilities haven't been determined yet, and it's unclear if the duo will take on both movies. Regardless, it's exciting news for Star Wars fans who hold the original trilogy in high regard.

The new Star Wars trilogy resulted from the Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm, announced back in October. Disney plans to release the first of the new trilogy, Star Wars: Episode 7, sometime in 2015. That film will be written by Toy Story 3 and Little Miss Sunshine writer Michael Arndt.

norrie rugger

Hold on: Return of the Jedi was terrible. Empire and Raiders great.

BUT

X-Men-Last Stand and Jumper?? really??

Kinski

norrie rugger wrote: »

Hold on: Return of the Jedi was terrible. Empire and Raiders great.

AFAIK RotJ was weaker because of Lucas, who shot down many ideas Kasden had in favour of Ewoks. The climactic three-way showdown between Luke, Vader and the Emperor, and Vader's subsequent death, survive from Kasden's original treatments, and they form one of the strongest, most memorable sequences in the trilogy, a hint of what RotJ might have been without Lucas in overall charge.

norrie rugger

Kinski wrote: »

AFAIK RotJ was weaker because of Lucas, who shot down many ideas Kasden had in favour of Ewoks. The climactic three-way showdown between Luke, Vader and the Emperor, and Vader's subsequent death, survive from Kasden's original treatments, and they form one of the strongest, most memorable sequences in the trilogy, a hint of what RotJ might have been without Lucas in overall charge.

OK that is good to know. That makes things seem much better

Sad Professor

The problems with the Jedi do indeed lie mostly with Lucas, but most of the good things about the film are Lucas as well. Kasdan worked off Lucas's treatment, same as on Empire. The whole Vader/Luke showdown was Lucas's idea and was in his original draft before Kasdan wrote a word. It's generally believed that Lucas directed all those scenes as well. Killing Han off was Ford's idea and Kasdan agreed, although he thought he should die at the start of the film. Killing him at the very end, as in the later drafts of the script, was kinda pointless. Kasdan probably wasn't too bothered either way as he was just a writer-for-hire and was keen to work on his own films.

Anyway, it's amazing how Kennedy was able to coax Kasdan back but Lucas couldn't. You have to wonder how much of the issues with Jedi and the prequels were due to Lucas's disputes with the DGA and WGA during the making of Empire, presumedly over money. He really burned all his bridges and isolated himself. American writers and directors won't risk incurring union wrath, not even for Star Wars.