Banners Broker

Phoebas

hedger wrote: »

yes i have withdrawn this 10k from various atms. I am not here to promote this in anyway so why would i lie about it. Any1 else on this thread invested in this?

Maybe spreading shíte is your hobby as well as your job :pac:

cacamull

hi i joined banners broker last july,i signed up through a sponsor.at the time my account was being managed by an account manager in cork.since then a new system is in place and an advertising coordinator in canada manages my account.i dont understand most of what is going on but my sponsor, who signed me up told me i could manage my account myself.does anyone know where i could find out how to learn to manage my own account or does anyone manage their own account ? and how are they getting on with this.thanks

srsly78

cacamull wrote: »

hi i joined banners broker last july,i signed up through a sponsor.at the time my account was being managed by an account manager in cork.since then a new system is in place and an advertising coordinator in canada manages my account.i dont understand most of what is going on but my sponsor, who signed me up told me i could manage my account myself.does anyone know where i could find out how to learn to manage my own account or does anyone manage their own account ? and how are they getting on with this.thanks

It's a scam dude, they robbed all your money.

cacamull

im in denial

Jerrygo

It amazes me that some people still think Banners broker is a legitimate business.
BB brought in a host of new rules without the consent of investors, arbitrarily changing their contract with you.
These rules are designed to try minimise any mony going out of the system.
Because the story of the bb scam is getting out, less and less people are joining this pyramid.
And since the only revenue bb has, is the money of new victims, so they are running out of money.
Cacamul, you may think that you have a few thousand in BB, and that it is growing. But try to take it out. Go on, try to take it out, and you will see that your "thousands" are an illusion.
All over the internet victims are complaining. Have you not looked? Do a google search.
Here is a few links for you.
http://www.diarmaidcondon.com/is-banners-broker-gone/ (This is written by a respected journalist who has written for the Examiner" and The business post, and who has previously exposed property scams).
And http://www.dpfoc.com/blog/what-is-banners-broker (This is written by an IT specialist, who runs a company employing 100 people)
Not enough? The better business bureau has given BB an F.. On a scale of A to........F !!!
Read this http://thebannersbrokerscam.com/ About all the new rules forced on you.
If That is still not enough for you to see that you are victim of a scam, well I'm afraid there is no hope for you.

cacamull

Thanks i will have a look at those links..:)

Thargor

Are you heavily invested?

cacamull

not at all.put in five hundred euro between two of us,got back half in january,nothing since then.i know a few people who have made a lot of money in the last six months

Hunter21

cacamull wrote: »

not at all.put in five hundred euro between two of us,got back half in january,nothing since then.i know a few people who have made a lot of money in the last six months

They say they "made a lot of money" is different to actually making money and proving it.

McGixxer

Well, what's the story with this now? Are people finally admitting that their sense of self-entitlement, their greed and their utter stupidity made them invest in an obvious scam, or are some people still clinging to the BB's life-raft and burying their heads in the sand?

And a question for the ones who got in/out early and made money on your 'investment'... How do you feel about the people you convinced to 'invest' in BB, the people who you helped BB steal money from? Or are you OK with it because BB gave you a cut of the stolen money?

Jerrygo

Yes almost all have admitted they have been scammed now.
Not a cent paid out for months.
In the last week Bb have stopped using the "blind network" they said was the source of their profits.
BB and Stellar point have stopped working together.
Stellar point have stopped providing phone and email support to affiliates.
All BB offices have been closed down.
The only BB office is in Belize now.
The only source of support is Belize now. £7 a call!!
All the Ic's have had their contracts terminated. And have been dumped.
Including Paul McCarthy.
Chris and Raj scrambling for cover. Deleting twitter accounts etc.
Chris does a 5 minute recorded webinar, and runs off without answering a single question.
The talkingbb forum in goes into open revolt, with the realisation that they have been scammed
Not a single defender left posting now. The turkey is nearly cooked.

podgemonster

Jerrygo wrote: »

Yes almost all have admitted they have been scammed now.
Not a cent paid out for months.
In the last week Bb have stopped using the "blind network" they said was the source of their profits.
BB and Stellar point have stopped working together.
Stellar point have stopped providing phone and email support to affiliates.
All BB offices have been closed down.
The only BB office is in Belize now.
The only source of support is Belize now. £7 a call!!
All the Ic's have had their contracts terminated. And have been dumped.
Including Paul McCarthy.
Chris and Raj scrambling for cover. Deleting twitter accounts etc.
Chris does a 5 minute recorded webinar, and runs off without answering a single question.
The talkingbb forum in goes into open revolt, with the realisation that they have been scammed
Not a single defender left posting now. The turkey is nearly cooked.

The inevitable finally happened. Took too bloody long to fall if you ask me!
Do you think the IC Paul McCarthy etc... where aware of what was going on? What they gettin people to do with their savings, people already in financial trouble graspin for an easy investment.

Bastards!

McGixxer

podgemonster wrote: »

The inevitable finally happened. Took too bloody long to fall if you ask me!
Do you think the IC Paul McCarthy etc... where aware of what was going on? What they gettin people to do with their savings, people already in financial trouble graspin for an easy investment.

Bastards!

Of course they knew... anyone who claims they didn't know is either a liar or so stupid they shouldn't be allowed out alone. Unfortunately it appears there are a lot of people who fall into the latter category, and probably a lot more people who knew exactly what it was but still convinced their friends and relatives to 'invest' in the ponzi, just so they could grab whatever they could while they could... They're even bigger bastards!

Jerrygo

podgemonster wrote: »

The inevitable finally happened. Took too bloody long to fall if you ask me!
Do you think the IC Paul McCarthy etc... where aware of what was going on? What they gettin people to do with their savings, people already in financial trouble graspin for an easy investment.

Bastards!

Yes McCarthy knew. He was videoed undercover, selling the scam to a room full of grey haired old people. Pressure selling to them, with tales of BB "the new google". Claiming that it was "impossible to lose your money" and "you will double your money in a few weeks"
He claimed to a reporter falsely, that mastercard endorsed Banners Broker.
He came on the web weekly lying to worried investors.
Thousand of victims can thank McCarthy for helping BB rob their money.
And McCarthy has had a house extension, new car, multiple top class holidays. And a good lifestyle for his family.
All on the back of thousands of poor people, who have had their money robbed, to enrich him, his family, and his cronies.

arrowloopboy

Jerrygo wrote: »

Yes almost all have admitted they have been scammed now.
Not a cent paid out for months.
In the last week Bb have stopped using the "blind network" they said was the source of their profits.
BB and Stellar point have stopped working together.
Stellar point have stopped providing phone and email support to affiliates.
All BB offices have been closed down.
The only BB office is in Belize now.
The only source of support is Belize now. £7 a call!!
All the Ic's have had their contracts terminated. And have been dumped.
Including Paul McCarthy.
Chris and Raj scrambling for cover. Deleting twitter accounts etc.
Chris does a 5 minute recorded webinar, and runs off without answering a single question.
The talkingbb forum in goes into open revolt, with the realisation that they have been scammed
Not a single defender left posting now. The turkey is nearly cooked.

Success has many fathers....failure is an orphan:D

Fools............................................................. money:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

:):mad::mad::mad::o,the 4 emotions of been rode

Cute Hoor

I find it incredible that intelligent people can fall for scams like these, and amazingly Cork people (normally very cute hoors) seem to be the most gullible when it comes to falling for these get rich quick scheme scams, I think I've heard of a number of these based around Cork over the last number of years. Our Fraud Squad should be taking a very serious interest in this. I naturally feel sympathy for anybody who signed up, but Christ......

Edit: It would be interesting to hear/read Paula Morton's current thoughts on Banners Broker

McGixxer

Cute Hoor wrote: »

I find it incredible that intelligent people can fall for scams like these

Intelligent people don't fall for these scams. Stupid people fall for them

Cute Hoor wrote: »

, and amazingly Cork people (normally very cute hoors) seem to be the most gullible when it comes to falling for these get rich quick scheme scams

I rest my case

arrowloopboy

GREED

one of the two deadly emotions when trying to make money(fear would probably have panned out better for them)

McGixxer

arrowloopboy wrote: »

GREED

one of the two deadly emotions when trying to make money(fear would probably have panned out better for them)

People heard from friends that they could make 1000s% profit, and they believed it and wanted in on it, because they also deserved loads of money for doing nothing. They never bothered to do any background checks into the company they were 'investing' in, nor did they check whether or not there actually was a product, they simply believed that someone's friend had made loads of money from it and they wanted a slice of the action!

I'd say it's a mixture of greed, gullibility, stupidity, and an overwhelming sense of self-entitlement.

Of course, there are the poor individuals who took the advice of family members and blindly 'invested' on the strength of it, and I do have a little sympathy for (some of) those people but I have absolutely no sympathy for the vast majority of scamees, because they just saw €€€ signs and blindly jumped at the opportunity.

A fool and his money...

Jerrygo

When BB started they pushed it to Hyip forums and blogs. These people knew it was a scam, and they play against each other. Gambling to get in and out of it at the right time to come out on top.
Hundreds of scams like this online. Yes greed. Scammers playing against each other. But they are a small percentage of BB members.
BB crossed a line. They started targetting elderly people, naive people, uneducated people from all over the world. There are pics online, of gatherings in dingy hotel function rooms, and all you can see is a sea of grey hair!! They pushed the hard sell on them. Dazzling them with lies. That they "were endorsed by mastercard". That they were "A+++ with Better business bureau" Passive income.
Paul told them flat out "guaranteed you can not lose money in BB" The new google. And "You are guarranteed to double your money".
Only the strongest of these old people got out of the room without being harranged into Joining.
There are old mothers who have borrowed from credit unions, to help their unemployed son to start his new "internet business"
Would you believe that in India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Cambodia, that there are villages without internet or electricity, where much of the illiterate population have been roped into BB?
All spectrums of life are in BB. From the complete scammers to the completely innocent.
The bottom line is that in Irelands case, it was illegal for McCarthy to profit from others with a promise of Guarranteed no loss. And Guarranteed to double your money. And actively recruiting, lying and facilitating a ponzi scheme which has stolen millions from its victims.
No ifs or buts.

Thargor

They went on Joe Duffy to defend it which was pretty brazen for these kinds of things.

McGixxer

Jerrygo wrote: »

Would you believe that in India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Cambodia, that there are villages without internet or electricity, where much of the illiterate population have been roped into BB?

That's exactly where I would expect people to get roped into a scam like this... but listen to this... Would you believe that 'educated' 'intelligent' people in a developed country, such as Ireland, with internet access were also roped into the scam?!?!?

Every single person in Ireland who threw money at BB had access to enough information to tell them to run a mile from this scam, yet for some strange reason, they chose to simply throw money at something they knew absolutely nothing about, without even attempting to check its validity.

Where was the product? How many ‘investors’ asked to see the product? If I was buying something… anything, I’d want to see what I was buying. How can anyone be stupid enough to buy into something that doesn’t even exist? Did anyone ever ask to see the websites these adverts were appearing on? Did they ask to see official visitor stats for these sites and CTRs for the ads they were investing in? I'll hazard a guess at 'NO', nobody asked to see anything, they only saw €€€ signs and asked where to sign.

So on that note, here's my sales pitch... form an orderly queue with your wallets open!

Hey, I recently purchased 10,000 square kilometers of real estate on Mars, and I’ll be renting this space out to companies in the very near future, and eventually, I’ll be selling plots for houses. It’s all above board, honest, and because I like you, I’m going to cut you in on the deal. For the small sum of €100,000, I will give you 100 acres of land on Mars. Not only that, I will give you resale rights on that land! The land is currently being sold at €20,000 an acre, so you you can see what a great investment opportunity it obviously is, and I’m sure you can convince your family and friends to cash in on this deal of a lifetime, also! (but hurry and make sure you get in before everyone else, as there are limited places at the top of my Multi Level Mars)


You’d have to have an IQ comparable to that of a gherkin to get caught out by this or any Ponzi scam. I guess it says a lot about Ireland’s ‘investors’, and probably goes a long way towards explaining why there are hundreds of unfinished housing estates around the country, housing estates that were started by greedy, clueless ‘investors’, who suddenly became property developers overnight and became bankrupt just as quick. I have no sympathy for these people either, because again, just like this Ponzi scheme, it was greed and stupidity that lost them all their money.

Jerrygo

Here we go. Its all the victims own fault. Same tune BB is singing. Spoken by an arrogant internet savvy young man without empathy.
Your Mars pitch is bogus. I'll give you a better one.
Put on a yellow jacket and go to old people telling them that you are from the council, gain entry. You know the rest of the story.
Who is the victim here? You or the pensioner?
Is it her fault because she didnt ask you for identification?
Is it a crime to scam someone or not? Or do you think it is it a crime to be old? or trusting? or naive? or stupid? or handicapped? or uneducated?
You remind me of times past, if a young girl was attacked, some cretins would say it was her own fault for being stupid enough to go out alone wearing a short skirt.
If you were mugged, would you appreciate some smart alec telling you that it was your own fault for being out after dark? or being in the wrong area? or for not noticing that someone was sneaking up on you?
Even if you did take a chance, and take a shortcut through a dark alley, still he is the criminal and you are the victim.
I am dealing with some of these genuine victims, and pompous twaddle such as yours gets right up my nose.
Get it into your head, scamming is a crime. And by definition that crime leaves victims.
Whether you want to call them victims or not!!
they dont need to be re-victimised by you.

McGixxer

Jerrygo wrote: »

Here we go. Its all the victims own fault. Same tune BB is singing. Spoken by an arrogant internet savvy young man without empathy.
Your Mars pitch is bogus. I'll give you a better one.
Put on a yellow jacket and go to old people telling them that you are from the council, gain entry. You know the rest of the story.
Who is the victim here? You or the pensioner?
Is it her fault because she didnt ask you for identification?
Is it a crime to scam someone or not? Or do you think it is it a crime to be old? or trusting? or naive? or stupid? or handicapped? or uneducated?
You remind me of times past, if a young girl was attacked, some cretins would say it was her own fault for being stupid enough to go out alone wearing a short skirt.
If you were mugged, would you appreciate some smart alec telling you that it was your own fault for being out after dark? or being in the wrong area? or for not noticing that someone was sneaking up on you?
Even if you did take a chance, and take a shortcut through a dark alley, still he is the criminal and you are the victim.
I am dealing with some of these genuine victims, and pompous twaddle such as yours gets right up my nose.
Get it into your head, scamming is a crime. And by definition that crime leaves victims.
Whether you want to call them victims or not!!
they dont need to be re-victimised by you.

You're talking utter nonsense!
Comparing this scam to being mugged or raped is proposterous... are you for real?!?!
None of these 'victims' were forced to hand over money, they did it willingly, of their own accord and most of them had ample opportunity to do background checks or seek financial advice before doing so. :rolleyes:

Like I already stated, I do have some sympathy for some of the people who were scammed but the vast majority were in a position to check out what they were 'investing' in and chose not to.

Of course BB are criminals, we all know this but blindly investing in something, regardless of whether it makes you rich or bankrupts you, is stupid... are you trying to convince people it isn't?

Jerrygo

McGixxer wrote: »

You're talking utter nonsense!

Typical arrogance of the young and thoughtless.
Judging peoples ability to withstand pressure selling without knowing any of their abilities, ages, knowlege of internet, intelligence.
Presuming to calculate that the vast majority of victims were in a position to check it out, and so deserve to be scammed.
Do you even know that when BB started that the first 10 pages of google were filled with pages praising BB, cleverly put out in advance?? nothing about it being scam!
And yes I do equate it with being mugged. It is after all a crime.
Perhaps you think it should only be a crime if done to intelligent careful people. (like you?)
Because the lower types deserve what they get.
In your warped universe, crimes should be applauded if commited on those less clever, or older, or less robust, or less internet savvy, or more naive than yourself.
Or on your calculation on "the vast majority"
Really you know nothing of the BB story, you just post what you do, to try to feel superior to the "fools"
Now, you being so clever and intelligent and rightous and all, you will never fall on your arse and have a red face, right? And people wont smirk and say "he deserves it, the pompous prat" Right?
Wrong. !! There are people even less empathic than you, believe it or not.
Your the kind of lad that enjoys others misfortunes, because it makes you feel superior. But you are not.
Wait for the Karma. It will come.
Now dont annoy me any more. I have no patience for your arrogant rulings on who deserves to be scammed. Or of your pretensions.

McGixxer

Get down off your high horse before you fall off it!
Instead of taking my posts and interpreting them in a manner that makes you feel smug about the direction your moral compass is pointing, try reading and taking in the part where I stated that investing blindly was stupid, regardless of whether it makes you rich or bankrupts you, and as an aside, regardless of whether or not it transpires that what you invested in was actually a scam.
Yes, these people were scammed, but at some point people have to accept responsibility for their own actions, or, as is the case here, their inaction, in failing to do the absolute basics before investing in something.
Stroking people's egos serves absolutely no purpose. It might make you feel good about yourself but it won't get people's money back, whereas, pointing out how stupid it is to blindly invest in something, might just prevent someone from subscribing to a similar scam in the future.
You tried and failed to misrepresent my position, and I have no patience for anyone who enters into a debate and attacks a straw man. If you're incapable of responding in a logical, civilised manner, then please exercise your right to not reply.

McGixxer

OK... I'm 1/2 a bottle of whiskey into a good night, so you'll have to bear with me, because I'm going to try to do this on-the-fly...

Four men walk into a building. Each man is directed to a separate room in the building. The first man is directed to room 1, the second to room 2 and the third man to room 3 and the fourth to room 4. Each man is visited by an individual, and each man is given a set of instructions, and the instructions are as follows...

Room 1: Leave this room, remove the cash from your wallet and when you get outside, throw it into the air. Follow these instructions and you will be rich!
Room 2: Leave this room, remove the cash from your wallet and when you get outside, throw it into the air. Follow these instructions and you will be rich!
Room 3: Leave this room, remove the cash from your wallet and when you get outside, throw it into the air. Follow these instructions and you will be rich!
Room 4: Leave this room, remove the cash from your wallet and when you get outside, throw it into the air. Follow these instructions and you will be rich!

All three men leave their respective rooms and walk outside...

Man #1 throws his cash into the air and as it lands on the floor, passers by scramble to pick it up.
Man #2 throws his cash into the air and as it lands on the floor, magpies swoop down, take the cash and line their nests with it.
Man #3 throws his cash into the air and as it lands on the floor, Banners Broker swoop down and take the cash.
Man #4 thinks... hang on a minute, WTF...? Does this guy think I'm some sort of idiot?!?!? Why would I throw my money into the air and take the word of some random stranger that I'll profit from it? This isn't Aladdin and the magic lamp, this is the real world, where people don't just give you money for nothing... I think I'll keep my money in my pocket!

So... the first three men lose their money... but whose fault was it...? Was it the fault of their adviser, the fault of the people who scrambled to grab the money, the fault of the magpies, the fault of Banners Brokers, or their own fault, for being stupid enough to believe in fairy tales?

One man walked away from the deal, because he didn't believe in fairy tales.

It's a cruel world we're living in but at some stage, people have to realise that ponzi schemes (including the legal ones like scratch cards and the lotto) aren't the answer. If people want to invest in something, then they should do a little legwork and establish that what they are investing in is worthy of investment.

And just as a FYI, Jerrygo, I'm neither young nor thoughtless, and I have been scammed on more than one occasion. Not by people on foreign shores, but by people in Ireland. The most recent episode was by a scamming crook from Dublin. He commissioned me to build a website, then after three months work, he refused to pay for it. I'm not crying or looking for sympathy, I only have myself to blame for this but this is what happens when you trust someone who really shouldn't be trusted. I trusted him because he was a fellow biker, the same as people who entered into this ponzi scheme trusted advice from friends/relatives but it goes to show that where money is concerned, you should never trust anyone!

Jerrygo

I'm not going to answer the Man1 to 4 question. It bears no resemblance to BB scam.
Now I was just going to post a nasty reply to your previous post, when I saw this more recent post.
I'm afraid our discussion was starting to degenerate into name calling. And I'm calling a halt to that now, at least on my part.
Now this new post is astounding to me. You have been scammed yourself previously, and yet you seem to have no sympathy for the majority scammed by BB.
this is a fundamental difference in mentality/ personality between us.
If I was scammed, I would fight back. And not blame myself for being scammed.
If I paid for a car, and a bike was delivered I would not blame myself for being scammed. no matter what trick I had overlooked.
I would fight back with all my might.
To me the scammer would always be the one to blame. never the scamee, no matter how naive he was.

keithclancy

Jerrygo wrote: »

one to blame. never the scamee, no matter how naive he was.

The people being scammed were drawing more people into the scam to keep the scam going.

With all Pyramid Schemes this is what happens.

Disgusting to watch it and families/friends end up hating each other over it.

Jerrygo

The vast majority of victims did not refer others. But Yes. The serial referrers made money from BB. They are equally guilty. The most notorious Simon Stepsys, "BB millionaire". But hundreds of these "players" have been documented.
I am a member of a couple of groups helping victims. Some heart rending stories among them.

Now, an appeal to any victims reading this thread.
Please dont allow any presumptions by others to affect you. There are 200,000 others like you. Do not be embarrassed into walking away, and letting the scammers off the hook. Fight back.
Firstly there is an ongoing investigation by the Garda fraud squad into BB. They are actively seeking victims to contact them. I can assure you that you will get a sympathetic hearing from them, without any judgements on you. They know who the criminals are. The address advised by the Garda Bureau of Fraud Investigation for victims to contact in regard to BB:
Superintendent
Anglesea Street Garda Station,
Cork City,
Co. Cork

Secondly you can try to get your money back. There are a couple of groups fighting against BB, where with some advice, a number of victims have had their money returned.
BB Fightback
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Brokers-Broke/143442489171945#!/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465/
Nice video by a member of that group. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Gpt6ms4Ow&feature=youtu.be
Even if you dont manage to get yours back, at least you will have the satisfaction of fighting back, and not slinking off with your head down.