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Cannabis

  • 12-10-2012 10:04am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8


    With yet another major factory found in Donegal valued at €1m+, isn't it time the irish government think about how much money they could revenue each year by regulating it. After all the only people that are making money from it are the low life criminals who are on the DOLE and live the lavish lifestyle.

    The government will never ever win the war against cannabis anywhere in the world, simply because its a form of medicine and serves a lot of medicinal relief. Just cannot get my head around how its ok to regulate alcohol and cigarettes and yet they are doing a heck of a lot more damage to ourselves and with the booze its simply damaging or society.

    Picture this....

    Legalize Cannabis so patients have a safe source of medicine

    Legalize Cannabis and do away with alcohol = Less Garda needed at weekends to stop all the fighting after clubs and pubs

    Legalize Cannabis to stop funding the criminals

    Legalize Cannabis for another source to fund bail out

    Legalize Cannabis and we would see an increase of tourists.

    Legalize Cannabis to stop the criminals stealing electricity from the grid.


    Realistically if it's done properly, there would be no downside to it.




    If anyone wishes to talk more then please contact me goodweed at live dot ie


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    budzer wrote: »
    The government will never ever win the war against cannabis anywhere in the world,

    We only need to win it here thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Just easy work for the Gardaí, Just think of all the man hours, court appearances and resources wasted on seizing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭grizzly


    Never going to happen. Too many political connections with the drink industry here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    We only need to win it here thanks.


    Never be won here Thanks


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    budzer wrote: »
    Never be won here Thanks

    Not with that attitude it won't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    Not with that attitude it won't.

    Wont be won anywhere, thankfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    budzer wrote: »
    Legalize Cannabis and do away with alcohol = Less Garda needed at weekends to stop all the fighting after clubs and pubs

    This always annoys me about the pro-weed crowd. They make alcohol out to be the enemy. Considering that weed here generally gets rolled alongside tobacco then it is definitely worse for you then a few beers.

    I'm cool with you if you want weed legalised bro and fully support you in it but if you take away my few beers and whiskeys on the weekend then I would have to side with the anti-weed crowd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    budzer wrote: »
    Legalize Cannabis and do away with alcohol = Less Garda needed at weekends to stop all the fighting after clubs and pubs

    No getting rid of alcohol. There are a lot of people who drink that don't like or don't want to try cannabis.

    People would still drink a ton, and they'd buy weed/prerolled spliffs on nights out aswell. More tax income. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    Teferi wrote: »
    This always annoys me about the pro-weed crowd. They make alcohol out to be the enemy. Considering that weed here generally gets rolled alongside tobacco then it is definitely worse for you then a few beers.

    I'm cool with you if you want weed legalised bro and fully support you in it but if you take away my few beers and whiskeys on the weekend then I would have to side with the anti-weed crowd.


    so alcohol is not a problem every single weekend?

    yes fair enough to the moderate user who can handle it then yes alcohol is fine, but to the yobs who go out and drink vodka and red bull then looking to fight with everyone, which is almost everyone under 25 at the weekend, alcohol is a drug, far worse than cannabis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    Korvanica wrote: »
    Wont be won anywhere, thankfully.


    what attitude?? i want a cannabis ireland, problem??


    oh and yes it has been won in many parts of the world, so please get your facts straight and learn a little about cannabis before you run it down, just like everyone else, know nothing about it but as long as its called a drug then NO you dont want it.

    Look at all the drug heads doped out of their heads everyday on prescribed valium for fcuks sake, but hey thats ok cause the doc says its ok


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    Well the criminals are making money from Prostitution so we should legalise that also,And Human Trafficking and Heroin and stealing cars and tiger kidnapping and extortion and think if all these thing's were legal,The Gardaí would have plenty time to go after real criminals.:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    budzer wrote: »
    so alcohol is not a problem every single weekend?

    yes fair enough to the moderate user who can handle it then yes alcohol is fine, but to the yobs who go out and drink vodka and red bull then looking to fight with everyone, which is almost everyone under 25 at the weekend, alcohol is a drug, far worse than cannabis

    No it isn't. It's very much the minority of people that cause problems. Drink is often cited as a factor, but people who get themselves in to this aggressive state which you alude to are very capable of doing such sober. Drink and fighting doesn't always go hand in hand as much as it's made out to seem.
    budzer wrote: »
    what attitude?? i want a cannabis ireland, problem??


    oh and yes it has been won in many parts of the world, so please get your facts straight and learn a little about cannabis before you run it down, just like everyone else, know nothing about it but as long as its called a drug then NO you dont want it.

    Look at all the drug heads doped out of their heads everyday on prescribed valium for fcuks sake, but hey thats ok cause the doc says its ok

    You do realise Korvanica's response was supporting cannabis right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    Prop Joe wrote: »
    Well the criminals are making money from Prostitution so we should legalise that also,And Human Trafficking and Heroin and stealing cars and tiger kidnapping and extortion and think if all these thing's were legal,The Gardaí would have plenty time to go after real criminals.:rolleyes:


    Well if you think legalizing that is fine then you must like those things,, cannabis is a form of pain relief and delays cancerous cells and numerous other medical uses, so if it were regulated properly then sure why not?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Prop Joe wrote: »
    Well the criminals are making money from Prostitution so we should legalise that also,And Human Trafficking and Heroin and stealing cars and tiger kidnapping and extortion and think if all these thing's were legal,The Gardaí would have plenty time to go after real criminals.:rolleyes:
    Smoking cannabis is a victimless crime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    budzer wrote: »
    cannabis is a form of pain relief

    Isnt every drug?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    budzer wrote: »

    the yobs who go out and drink vodka and red bull then looking to fight with everyone,


    I wonder what % of them would have taken drugs that night?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Prop Joe wrote: »
    Isnt every drug?

    Show's what you know so if that's your opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    budzer wrote: »
    so alcohol is not a problem every single weekend?

    yes fair enough to the moderate user who can handle it then yes alcohol is fine, but to the yobs who go out and drink vodka and red bull then looking to fight with everyone, which is almost everyone under 25 at the weekend ,alcohol is a drug, far worse than cannabis

    I don't know how you inferred what you did from my post.

    Using sweeping generalities and outright lies doesn't help your argument. Lies in bold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    If alcohol were only discovered / invented today, it would unquestionably be banned. It is only allowed because it has been part of human culture since forever.

    In olden times, alcohol was a source of safe liquid (beer would have been safer than water a few hundred years ago for example).

    Overall, I'm not a bit fan of cannabis. Wouldn't be in any mad rush to legalise it. Given what the dutch are at (attempting to kill the drug tourism trade) cannabis for all is clearly not a super mega idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Oooo how I'd love to see that day.Well maybe our country can learn something from the state of Cali....great laws there :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Khannie wrote: »
    If alcohol were only discovered / invented today, it would unquestionably be banned. It is only allowed because it has been part of human culture since forever.

    In olden times, alcohol was a source of safe liquid (beer would have been safer than water a few hundred years ago for example).

    Overall, I'm not a bit fan of cannabis. Wouldn't be in any mad rush to legalise it. Given what the dutch are at (attempting to kill the drug tourism trade) cannabis for all is clearly not a super mega idea.

    I think thats to crack down on the distribution of cannabis being transported to other countries.

    It's not everyone's cup of teas at the end of the day, but its up to the individual to choose whether they wish consume the drug. I can't see any cons to the idea of legalizing cannabis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Kwack


    Weed gets a bad rap. I smoke weed daily yet it doesn't affect work etc. I rarely drink but it's laughable the same people that demonisen weed see nothing wrong with cigs and booze even though weed has never killed anyone.
    The plant has so many uses is almost comical that's it's illegal. If people actually read why the prohibition started in America it would shock them.
    I love weed and will smoke it for the rest of my life. I can easily go weeks without it and bar a few bad nights sleep for the first few days off it its easy to stop.... I just choose not to. Compare that to alcoholics or actual drug users (weed is a beautiful plant not a drug) trying to kick the habit! As for people calling it a gateway drug... Dumbest comment ever.
    Governments will never win the war against weed and the main reason it's illegal now is they would find it impossible to tax seeing as anyone can grow it fairly easily.
    I grew up in a home with an alcoholic father who worked and spent all spare tine at the pub and earliest memories were horrible. Turned me off drink for life. I'm looking forward to going home having a smoke and hanging out with my family for the weekend! Unlike a drinker my family know me as a loving easy going guy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    Kwack wrote: »
    Weed gets a bad rap. I smoke weed daily yet it doesn't affect work etc. I rarely drink but it's laughable the same people that demonisen weed see nothing wrong with cigs and booze even though weed has never killed anyone.
    The plant has so many uses is almost comical that's it's illegal. If people actually read why the prohibition started in America it would shock them.
    I love weed and will smoke it for the rest of my life. I can easily go weeks without it and bar a few bad nights sleep for the first few days off it its easy to stop.... I just choose not to. Compare that to alcoholics or actual drug users (weed is a beautiful plant not a drug) trying to kick the habit! As for people calling it a gateway drug... Dumbest comment ever.
    Governments will never win the war against weed and the main reason it's illegal now is they would find it impossible to tax seeing as anyone can grow it fairly easily.
    I grew up in a home with an alcoholic father who worked and spent all spare tine at the pub and earliest memories were horrible. Turned me off drink for life. I'm looking forward to going home having a smoke and hanging out with my family for the weekend! Unlike a drinker my family know me as a loving easy going guy.

    Amen to that, no truer word said!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Kwack wrote: »
    Weed gets a bad rap. I smoke weed daily yet it doesn't affect work etc. I rarely drink but it's laughable the same people that demonisen weed see nothing wrong with cigs and booze even though weed has never killed anyone.
    The plant has so many uses is almost comical that's it's illegal. If people actually read why the prohibition started in America it would shock them.
    I love weed and will smoke it for the rest of my life. I can easily go weeks without it and bar a few bad nights sleep for the first few days off it its easy to stop.... I just choose not to. Compare that to alcoholics or actual drug users (weed is a beautiful plant not a drug) trying to kick the habit! As for people calling it a gateway drug... Dumbest comment ever.
    Governments will never win the war against weed and the main reason it's illegal now is they would find it impossible to tax seeing as anyone can grow it fairly easily.
    I grew up in a home with an alcoholic father who worked and spent all spare tine at the pub and earliest memories were horrible. Turned me off drink for life. I'm looking forward to going home having a smoke and hanging out with my family for the weekend! Unlike a drinker my family know me as a loving easy going guy.

    So... you choose to breakdown 1 stereotype around drug use based on your own personal experience and reinforce another around alcohol use based on your own personal experience.

    Not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic, nor do they all display any particular selfish traits as you imply when speaking about your father.

    To finish off:
    As a drinker my family know me as a loving easy going guy.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    budzer wrote: »
    so alcohol is not a problem every single weekend?

    yes fair enough to the moderate user who can handle it then yes alcohol is fine, but to the yobs who go out and drink vodka and red bull then looking to fight with everyone, which is almost everyone under 25 at the weekend, alcohol is a drug, far worse than cannabis

    Cannabis gets abused also, and if it was to be legalised more people would probably do it and as a result more of the problems associated with it will become more apparent.
    First should I point out I think the fact cannabis is banned is ridiculous and I would be in favour of legalising or even making possesion for personal use a lesser offense, I think this along with the bloody TV licensing is such a waste of court time and tax payers money it is a joke.
    Anyway is weed safer than alcohol? Both in moderation are alright, yes, severe alcohol withdrawal can kill, but weed can also be addictive if abused, leading to severe anxiety/paranoia. It certainly is not a drug for everyone either, and can cause severe bad reactions to some people (I remember seeing someone a while back smoking part a spliff and fainting for about a minute a good while back, not good!).

    Nick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭Teferi


    Kwack wrote: »
    I rarely drink but it's laughable the same people that demonisen weed see nothing wrong with cigs and booze even though weed has never killed anyone.

    I think you will find that cigs are demonised by our society. You can't have failed to notice the "drink responsibly" drive that there has been the last decade or so.

    Kwack wrote: »
    The plant has so many uses is almost comical that's it's illegal.

    I agree. However loosening restrictions for medical use and full legalisation are two completely different arguments.
    Kwack wrote: »
    I love weed and will smoke it for the rest of my life. I can easily go weeks without it and bar a few bad nights sleep for the first few days off it its easy to stop.... I just choose not to. Compare that to alcoholics or actual drug users (weed is a beautiful plant not a drug) trying to kick the habit!

    So you are comparing yourself as a casual weed smoker against addicts? That doesn't hold up at all.

    Let's compare yourself to me - a casual drinker...

    I love a few beers and will drink for the rest of my life. I can easily go weeks without having a lager and it doesn't even affect my sleep patterns.

    Kwack wrote: »
    As for people calling it a gateway drug... Dumbest comment ever.

    The Gateway Drug Theory states that using lesser drugs can lead to a risk of exposure to harder drugs.

    The Gateway Drug Theory does not state that using lesser drugs will lead to heavy drug use.
    Kwack wrote: »
    Unlike a drinker my family know me as a loving easy going guy.

    Implying all drinkers are alcoholics. Hilarious.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    I smoke weed sometimes. I can't see this ever changing, politicians can't make it legal because they're be uproar from conservatives and they'd lose half their vote. Also cannabis use would increase dramatically I would think, and is that a good thing? Probably not really. So it's an impossible situation, but while there is demand there will by supply, and the Garda will continue to fight an impossible fight. But it's always going to be this way, it's not even worth debating anymore in my opinion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 786 ✭✭✭Kurz


    Khannie wrote: »
    Given what the dutch are at (attempting to kill the drug tourism trade) cannabis for all is clearly not a super mega idea.

    It's on the ballot for full recreational legalisation in three states during next month's US presidential election (and two others for medical legalisation). Colorado is one of them and it looks from the polls that it will actually pass. Cannabis is on a very steady ascendancy in the states. We might look to them rather than the Dutch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    Prop Joe wrote: »
    I wonder what % of them would have taken drugs that night?

    yeah prob e's and coke and speed and maybe heroin, but the biggest and easiest drug available is alcohol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    Teferi wrote: »
    I don't know how you inferred what you did from my post.

    Using sweeping generalities and outright lies doesn't help your argument. Lies in bold.

    sorry where is the lie?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    budzer wrote: »
    sorry where is the lie?

    "in bold" means the really really thick words that are highlighted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 budzer


    Khannie wrote: »
    If alcohol were only discovered / invented today, it would unquestionably be banned. It is only allowed because it has been part of human culture since forever.

    In olden times, alcohol was a source of safe liquid (beer would have been safer than water a few hundred years ago for example).

    Overall, I'm not a bit fan of cannabis. Wouldn't be in any mad rush to legalise it. Given what the dutch are at (attempting to kill the drug tourism trade) cannabis for all is clearly not a super mega idea.


    Cannabis has been around since beginning of time. As the saying goes : God made Weed, Man made Booze. Who do you trust?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    So... you choose to breakdown 1 stereotype around drug use based on your own personal experience and reinforce another around alcohol use based on your own personal experience.

    Not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic, nor do they all display any particular selfish traits as you imply when speaking about your father.

    To finish off:
    As a drinker my family know me as a loving easy going guy.

    Which of the 2 drugs would you say has more of a damaging effect on individuals themselves and families?

    Never heard of someone dying because too much cannabis was smoked by that person, where I've heard of countless amount of deaths surrounding people that drank too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 Kwack


    Yoyo
    Have never heard of someone passing out from weed. Have seen people not used to tobacco getting dizzy but not passing out.....maybe falling asleep thats all haha.

    Teferi
    Yeah there is a drink responsibly push but if you go out any weekend you will see drunk people fighting etc so obviously that isnt exactly working. Yeah people are finally waking up to the dangers of cigs and hopefully we will see the end of tobacoo soon.
    "So you are comparing yourself as a casual weed smoker against addicts? That doesn't hold up at all." Im 30 and have smoked since I was 13. Im a lot more than a casual smoker. "Implying all drinkers are alcoholics. Hilarious. " fair enough I worded that wrong I should've said an alcoholic but I have seen plenty easy going people act like complete **** on booze. Have you ever woken up after a nights drinking regretting something terrible you did the previous night? Smokers dont get that.

    Not all drinkers are alcos but the link between booze and antisocial behaviour is undeniable. You don't see stoned guys out fighting for no apparent reason (unlike booze).


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    DyldeBrill wrote: »
    Which of the 2 drugs would you say has more of a damaging effect on individuals themselves and families?

    Never heard of someone dying because too much cannabis was smoked by that person, where I've heard of countless amount of deaths surrounding people that drank too much.

    They are also consuming tobacco / ripped up cigarettes. But sure, they'll get marked down as a smoker when it comes to statistics.

    Regarding which of the 2 drugs. The problem is with the rate of consumption and taking it to excess is always going to present problems regardless of which is being consumed.

    People presenting Alcohol as a problem here are using extreme circumstances as normality while it couldn't be further from the truth.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    Kwack wrote: »
    Yoyo
    Have never heard of someone passing out from weed. Have seen people not used to tobacco getting dizzy but not passing out.....maybe falling asleep thats all haha.
    Yeah it was a while ago and it was only after a few drags that she fainted, called the ambulance and all that and while on the phone to them she re-gained consciousness. Not nice all the same. And she wasn't asleep she was standing up and suddenly collapsed.

    Nick


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,667 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    It's always seemed pretty simple to me.

    Too much drink is bad for you.

    Too much weed is bad for you.

    The above goes for just about anything you put in your body to some degree.

    A minority abuse both, a majority use them responsibley without any detrimental effects to society, their friends/families or themselves.

    Help the people who can't handle their drink/smoke and leave the people who can alone.

    Neither drink nor cannabis should be illegal imo, and those who enjoy either of both should be on the same side in this argument as far as I can see.

    Personally I would happily see every drug under the sun decriminalised and cannabis all out legalised, but that's another argument altogether.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    They are also consuming tobacco / ripped up cigarettes. But sure, they'll get marked down as a smoker when it comes to statistics.

    Regarding which of the 2 drugs. The problem is with the rate of consumption and taking it to excess is always going to present problems regardless of which is being consumed.

    People presenting Alcohol as a problem here are using extreme circumstances as normality while it couldn't be further from the truth.

    Some people may use tobacco, and that is completely their choice but a lot of the time it is just smoke on its own using a pip, bong whatever.Cleanest and safest way to smoke it of course!

    Yes I agree taking the two drugs to excess will cause problems but it would take a lot of Cannabis smoking to see real damage.

    I don't drink often, but don't get me wrong I do like a cold sucker every now and again, but going back to the original post, if alcohol is legal, then Cannabis has every right to be legal also, for medicinal use and for anyone who wishes to smoke it.

    One thing I would say is that Cannabis does not suit everyone! And yes , it has had serious effects on people, with them mostly becoming paranoid.Now its down to the individual whether or not they wish to consume the drug but there is still that danger , therefore more information should be given on the subject .If cannabis was legalized, then we could get all that shíte cannabis that is mixed with all sorts off our streets, because there is LOADS of it out there, and you have to search far and wide for some clean stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    budzer wrote: »
    what attitude?? i want a cannabis ireland, problem??


    oh and yes it has been won in many parts of the world, so please get your facts straight and learn a little about cannabis before you run it down, just like everyone else, know nothing about it but as long as its called a drug then NO you dont want it.

    Look at all the drug heads doped out of their heads everyday on prescribed valium for fcuks sake, but hey thats ok cause the doc says its ok

    well ****, last time I side with you lol....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    yoyo wrote: »
    Yeah it was a while ago and it was only after a few drags that she fainted, called the ambulance and all that and while on the phone to them she re-gained consciousness. Not nice all the same. And she wasn't asleep she was standing up and suddenly collapsed.

    Nick

    I believe this as it can happen! Was there tobacco used? where did you get it from? All these could lead to where it all went wrong for her.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    budzer wrote: »
    Cannabis has been around since beginning of time. As the saying goes : God made Weed, Man made Booze. Who do you trust?

    So is Nutmeg and shrooms.....and we all know what effect these can have on people on occasions.

    Not really the best statement to make to win this argument


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    DyldeBrill wrote: »
    I believe this as it can happen! Was there tobacco used? where did you get it from? All these could lead to where it all went wrong for her.

    Don't smoke it myself so not sure but it was cannabis bush/not hash, can't honestly remember if tobacco was mixed, 6 or 7 years ago now it would be... :)

    Nick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭DyldeBrill


    yoyo wrote: »
    Don't smoke it myself so not sure but it was cannabis bush/not hash, can't honestly remember if tobacco was mixed, 6 or 7 years ago now it would be... :)

    Nick

    Well there could be every chance that tobacco was used, she probably went "green" happens to quite a few people, especially if they haven't smoked it before!

    Well I hope she was ok after it! can be scary, I'm sure its happened to most weed smokers at some stage or another especially if they've drank before!

    Cannabis+Alcohol=Disaster!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭battser


    I think if it were to be legal then we would be getting robbed if we wanted to buy it on a regular basis. The government would tax the sh!t out of it but also agree with a previous poster they wouldn't be able to cause It's similar to growing a patch of veg out your back so they would never really benifit. For me I couldn't give a rats legal or not.

    On a side note I just lol'd thinking if it was legal what a Saturday night in town would be like. People millin down their pints with cotton mouth and red eye not to mention the severe penalty for smoking after having a few *Shudders*. It would be one funny fcukin sight I tell thee that much :D


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    DyldeBrill wrote: »
    Well there could be every chance that tobacco was used, she probably went "green" happens to quite a few people, especially if they haven't smoked it before!

    Well I hope she was ok after it! can be scary, I'm sure its happened to most weed smokers at some stage or another especially if they've drank before!

    Cannabis+Alcohol=Disaster!!

    No drink was consumed, it was actually at lunch time back in the school days hanging out at the petrol station (yeah not exactly the most sensible place to be smoking :P ) it happened. She just collapsed and regained consciousness a minute after.

    Nick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    I don't like the argument saying 'you will never win the war on drugs'. To me, this is like saying you will never win the war against aging, both are just facts to do with being human. You can however minimise the damage done and more could certainly be achieved here.

    I don't think selling it openly in off licenses will help. I also don't buy the argument of increased tourism as drug tourists are the last type of people you want coming here. I do think it should be decriminalised to the point where people should be free to grow it in their own home for personal use and if an 18 year old gets caught with with a few grams they can avoid getting a criminal conviction for the rest of their life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Osborne


    Cannabis will never be fully legalised in Ireland. End of.

    However, I would be favour of it being decriminalised as I think the punishments given out for cannabis related incidents are harsh to say the least.

    The punishments given out, in my opinion, are not justified by the crime committed when compared to other more serious crimes. Having said that, what was the length of term of the guy that didn't pay tax on his garlic? 6 years! What's the average jail time for rape? Just shows the inconsistency of crime committed vs punishment in this country.

    At the end of the day, If cannabis was legalised, what REAL benefits would us, the smokers receive? As a daily smoker and a bit of a cannabis tourist, I can tell you that it won't be any cheaper and won't be much better. O.K., it may be more readily available but to be honest, it isn't very hard to source. Then again, this is based on the stuff I smoke and the how much it costs me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,012 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Cannabis is a nasty horrible life wasting drug.. The "pro weed" crowd are generally kids or older folk who never amounted to much... Moderate, party canabis use is one thing, but cannabis addiction is very very real, and is devastating..

    I smoked cannabis daily from the age of 13 until the age of 25, in the last two years before i gave it up, it had completely began to**** up my life and it went from a passtime to a fully fledged psychological crutch that turned me into an ambitionless, antisocial, paranoid, A sexual mess. I smoked so much during the day at work that I couldn't sleep due to cannabis induced paranoia and psychosis. I had a good job, but wasn't going anywhere in it. I started to medicate with alcohol to make social interactions tollerable and could feel life slipping by.

    Fast forward 6 years later, stopped smoking cannabis (the withdraw was very real, despite what the "it's not addictive" mongs will tell you.) I am soon to be a dad, in a great job with a proper circle of friends and am not afraid to endure basic social interaction.

    "weed" is a pretty apt name for the way this drug takes hold in your brain. Do your self a favour and stay away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭seanpjs93


    Psychologically it's addictive, so is basically anything once you get on it, there are people who are hugely addicted to over the counter medications containing codeine which after prolonged use (some on up to 24 pills a day) can severely damage kidneys and liver. I don't think Cannabis will be legalised any time soon, it's unrealistic to say alcohol and cigarettes should be banned and cannabis legalised, just like with alcohol it's not a thing that would damage your health if it's used moderately, of course cannabis usage has ruined lives and families, but so has alcohol, if something becomes habitual, it's hard to kick out of it, some people just can't stop because they don't feel good without it, there will always be an illegal market for cannabis, legal or not, there is with cigarettes and alcohol...even fireworks but maybe within the next 20 years there'll be a difference in people's attitude towards it. I personally don't or never have used any form of illegal drugs, but I'm in favor of cannabis being legal in some form, maybe medicinal if it really does help someone. Only time will tell, the next hurdle in our law issues is abortion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    Weed, is a drug...

    I smoked for 15 years of my life Im 31 while drinking and not drinking.. I think legalising it in this country is moronic, The irish don't do things in half measure from my experience most people i know weather they are passing acquaintances. Majority of them drink on the excess side of things, the kinda people that go brag oo my liver hates me today.. But sure sleep when your dead at this pub with such and such and it 1 in the afternoon. :rolleyes:

    Weed has side effects those side effects be it depression, phycosis , paranoia, the fact it roots your mind. Years ago we could sell cigerates to 16 year olds. :rolleyes:.. Take weed for instance especially legalized weed, its not just growing plants and drying it prooving it an airing it.

    Its the level of stone, its the potency of the thc. On a 16 year old kid amber colored thc of prolonged use would fvck a kids brain up in a matter of months.. I've seen it. Most people have seen younger vestibules due to weed that is too strong for there brains.

    If weed was legalized this would be available to your futuere children nephews, etc etc. What happens after weed is legal do we look at controlling, mdam and making that legal.


    Lets not get into the solical aspects of leagising drugs as it would be a night mare..

    Im not an aunti stoner Im not for it either but as a revenue for a rescission its not really that big.


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