Speed checks in temp speed limit area (Sarsfield rndbout)

run_Forrest_run

Not sure how many of ye noticed but I see there is a speed check van (Safety cameras:rolleyes:) parked in the middle of the construction vehicles around the Sarsfield roundabout for the past 2 days.

The temporary speed limit is 60kmph. I reckon I was caught, doing about 68kmph.
I'm trying to be optimistic here but do standard rules apply in relation to temporary speed limits and speed checks?
I'm annoyed with myself really but if they are the rules fair enough. I'm just wondering what is other people's experience with temporary speed restrictions.

Ludo

Is it enforcable? According to this map on the Garda website, the N25 (N40 as it is now) is not to be covered by these vans.

angeline

Oh no. I would have been caught there too. Yes, temporary speed limits have to be abided by legally.

run_Forrest_run

Just to clarify, the van is facing west so if you are coming from the Bishopstown roundabout (or joining from Wilton) heading towards the Kinsale rd. flyover you could be nabbed.

deRanged

I saw that too - real fish in a barrel situation. very few cars pay attention to the limit there.

murphym7

Saw it on the roads forum yesterday and forgot to post here, passed the van yesterday and was ready for them. Sorry for not sharing!

Link: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055853085&page=44

opti76

http://www.corkcity.ie/news/publicnotices2012/an25.pdf

its perfectly enforceable...

Outkast_IRE

opti76 wrote: »

http://www.corkcity.ie/news/publicnotices2012/an25.pdf

its perfectly enforceable...

Well the N25 hasnt exisited for a while now, i have had this discussion on the thread following the roadworks project and to sum it up we came up with this.

1. The county/city managers would of had to apply to the NRA to change the speed limit for road works on this route. They probably did apply.

2. They would of applied to change the limit on the N25 . This is no longer the N25 its the N40?

3. Yes its a technicality , but as we all know lawyers and judges seem to leave people off on such things.

Reasearch would have to be done to see if a new order was applied for when it changes to N40

ScrubsfanChris

I passed there yesterday at around 4:00pm and saw the flashing sign about speed check 60kph, but didn't see any van or cameras, just some workers cars parked further up under bridge next to CBP.

I may have been slightly over 60 in the left lane, but with people storming past me on the right. That area would be a gold mine if they are there all the time.

run_Forrest_run

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

I passed there yesterday at around 4:00pm and saw the flashing sign about speed check 60kph, but didn't see any van or cameras, just some workers cars parked further up under bridge next to CBP.

I may have been slightly over 60 in the left lane, but with people storming past me on the right. That area would be a gold mine if they are there all the time.

well there is a van there today and it was there yesterday too. I passed it this evening at 19:30 and it was still there. I'd say they are making a nice few quid on it...but hey, safety cameras are where accidents happened...:rolleyes:

rcdk1

Lads, have a bit of cop-on. This isn't about making money, it's about your safety and the safety of the workers on a construction site. The traffic management at the site is based on the assumption that traffic is travelling at 60kph or less.

At least you have your steel box with airbags, crumple zones and all that. On the other hand, some poor schmuck who's just doing his job isn't going to get much protection from a hi-vis vest and a hard hat when you plough into him at 100kph.

namloc1980

Nah it's a revenue generating exercise alright. The van is on the lanes heading away from the Sarsfield Road roundabout where cars are obviously accelerating and speeding up as they head away from the main construction area.

Brussels Sprout

Pretty sure I got caught on this today at 7pm (when all the workers had gone home for the day).

rebelden

Yea, I am sure i was caught this evening at about 7.15pm. Fxcking shower of bollocks if there every were. Hope de Fxck they cut their allowances.

rcdk1

namloc1980 wrote: »

Nah it's a revenue generating exercise alright. The van is on the lanes heading away from the Sarsfield Road roundabout where cars are obviously accelerating and speeding up as they head away from the main construction area.

I wasn't stating an opinion. The purpose of the speed traps at this site is to slow people down and create a safer environment for motorists and workers.

I suggest actually obeying the speed limit. You can't be fined if you're not speeding.

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Pretty sure I got caught on this today at 7pm (when all the workers had gone home for the day).

The works are carried out at all hours of the day. Literally. Just because you didn't see someone there doesn't mean that they weren't there. For example, from one of the recent updates:

Night-time working, including duct installation, surfacing works, relocation of traffic lanes etc. will be a feature of the Scheme for a number of weeks from next Monday, 17th September 2012.
In view of the scale of the upcoming works, motorists are again asked to observe the temporary speed limits in place throughout the works area and to pay particular attention to road signage advising of any changes in the road layout.

namloc1980

rcdk1 wrote: »

I wasn't stating an opinion. The purpose of the speed traps at this site is to slow people down and create a safer environment for motorists and workers.

"Shooting fish in a barrel" springs to mind.

bladebrew

They could pay for all the roadworks with the amount of people speeding through there:)
I was going towards wilton at 70km/h the other day and every car behind me was flying past, i felt like an old lady driving along:o

ScrubsfanChris

If you do get caught by one of these, is it a letter in the post sort of thing?

In anycase, it should be used to clock people coming towards the roundabout (toward construction), not driving away (from construction).
Even the sharp bends they put in are more dangerous imo.

run_Forrest_run

rcdk1 wrote: »

Lads, have a bit of cop-on. This isn't about making money, it's about your safety and the safety of the workers on a construction site. The traffic management at the site is based on the assumption that traffic is travelling at 60kph or less.

At least you have your steel box with airbags, crumple zones and all that. On the other hand, some poor schmuck who's just doing his job isn't going to get much protection from a hi-vis vest and a hard hat when you plough into him at 100kph.

sounds lovely in theory, but why don't they place it on the other side of the road (where an accident occurred on Monday)? We know why, you can't build up the speed on that side due to the bends in the road, but the other side is handy for them.

I've also seen the dangerous driving from some of the construction workers themselves, suddenly swerving through the cones to access the site without using indicator lights etc.

evilivor

namloc1980 wrote: »

"Shooting fish in a barrel" springs to mind.

If people obey they law they won't get caught. It's a simple as that.

run_Forrest_run

evilivor wrote: »

If people obey they law they won't may not get caught. It's a simple as that.

fixed that for ya

shnaek

evilivor wrote: »

If people obey they law they won't get caught. It's a simple as that.

Would you have said the same to someone who bought condoms in 1979?
The law needs to be constantly challenged in forums like this one. Otherwise how can we be sure the law is right?

Macca07

I was passing there last Saturday about lunch time and there was a Garda there with a camera standing out in the middle of the construction site facing Sarsfield Rd Roundabout. Just wondering were they doing some surveillance, or trying to catch ppl too without using the van.

Either way, he nearly caused more crashes with the amount of ppl slamming on the breaks when they saw him.

aujopimur

It's good to see this being enforced as very few drivers are obeying the temp. speed limit, the construction workers are in a very vulnerable position in the area of the road works.

bogman

If its a revenue generating van ill get a photo and post it here, thanks for the warning

Did you see a speed camera? Ireland

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Did-you-see-a-speed-camera-Ireland/168014059897337?ref=ts&fref=ts

Ludo

Gone today wasn't it? Or did they just move it?

POGAN

Its garda gatso van can park anywhere they want the location on garda website is for the Go Safe vans

evilivor

bogman wrote: »

If its a revenue generating van ill get a photo and post it here, thanks for the warning

Did you see a speed camera? Ireland

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Did-you-see-a-speed-camera-Ireland/168014059897337?ref=ts&fref=ts

There was a fatal RTA on that road last week. It's not a revenue exercise

Outkast_IRE

evilivor wrote: »

There was a fatal RTA on that road last week. It's not a revenue exercise

that wasnt on that road , that happend on sarsfield rd, halfway up the hill, that accident was nothing whatsoever to do with the roadworks, the N40 or anything discussed on this thread.

The only reason i know so much is i live within a few hundred meters of where that accident happened and cycled past it the following morning when the road was still closed off.

bogman

If its Gatso im staying well clear, revenue generating camera's, thats another matter, accident was well up in Sarsfield road (unfortunately)

kub

Lads can someone please confirm for me whether its Go Safe (marked van) or Gatso (unmarked white transit) that is out there.

johnayo

kub wrote: »

Lads can someone please confirm for me whether its Go Safe (marked van) or Gatso (unmarked white transit) that is out there.

Unmarked white Garda Gatso van.

Flesh Gorden

Haven't been out on roundabout, so haven't seen these vans

But the normal gosafe vans can be spotted a mile away with the batttenburg

the gosafe observation vans would have either a KK or KY reg, and normally a single camera decal on the rear door

the big difference being they observe traffic speeds but don't issue fines

the garda ones are normally D reg and are totally unmarked

hoodwinked

bogman wrote: »

If its a revenue generating van ill get a photo and post it here, thanks for the warning


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Did-you-see-a-speed-camera-Ireland/168014059897337?ref=ts&fref=ts

i don't think it is revenue generating, i drive that way (unless i hear on the radio its gridlocked) in the mornings and in the afternoons,


a few times i have been coming from wilton -> Kinsale road roundabout, a van/car/other vehicle have stopped suddenly in the area where the speed van was located and hopped out moved the cones and drove into the works area.


im taking a wild guess and saying thats why the 60km speed limit is enforced as far as the togher exit on the side coming away from the works.


and im taking a guess thats why they are trying to catch people speeding there rather than the other side where its the temporary barriers you'll hit.

by the way the speed van i saw was the big white van with the garda logo on the sides and rear.

Ludo

Maybe it wasn't a speed camera at all. Could have been a paddy wagon parked there to slow people down. Gone now as needed for drunk students t weekend.

run_Forrest_run

well on the large information screen just before the van it displayed the message "Caution, speed checks now!" so it's either what it says it is or they are trying to give us a fright...worked for me, I've slowed down:)

If it was a speed check around what timeframe should I expect a letter?

murphym7

johnayo wrote: »

Unmarked white Garda Gatso van.

Pass it everyday on the way home, it has a Garda sticker accross the back door now. Sticker wasnt there the first day, but they added it for the last two days.

On a side note, be careful coming from the west heading towards the Sarsfield road roundabout, they have changed the lane layout again. No joke figuring it out in the dark early in this morning.

mik_da_man

While I am against shooting fish in a barrel type exercises, I think this speed check is not a bad idea overall.
I drove that road a few times and NOBODY is anywhere near the correct limit.
I'll fully admit to speeding along that stretch a few times, but I have thought about the safety of the workers there and how people are flouting the limit.

In fairness a few new huge signs went up recently to advise of random speed checks and I'd say they didn't have much other options than putting a van there to reduce the speeds.

familystand

The rear facing camera detects vehicles traveling in BOTH directions, so it catches everything that is over the speed limit in that area.
There were public notices printed in the papers and online re special speed limits in the area of the 2 new flyovers so there arent any loopholes im afraid, It was announced 2 weeks ago in the papers/ facebook and radio that the Gardai will be strictly enforcing the 60kph limit in that area, so it is not any excuse to say we were not warned !

bladebrew

I saw the van today, it is a white transit with garda sticker on the back and a camera symbol, it was just beyond the first togher flyover heading west, it was in between the two lanes,
This is just after where it goes from 100 down to 60km/h for the roadworks,

mikeym

Were stone mad for speed

kub

mikeym wrote: »

Were stone mad for speed

The Gardai in these vans are no longer attached to the Traffic Corp, they now work for a specialist unit called IMF

familystand

RTA is a term no longer in use, Internationaly it is known as a Road Traffic Collision RTC

hoodwinked

question saw a guy in a jeep there, looking out the back window with what looked to be a speed gun,

it looked like he had hopped into one of the builders jeeps to hide himself.


is this allowed?

*not that im worried as i was doing the speed limit, im hoping the guy who was driving up my ass and who then tried to overtake me got caught

segaBOY

Ludo wrote: »

Is it enforcable? According to this map on the Garda website, the N25 (N40 as it is now) is not to be covered by these vans.

Yes, that website means nothing. Got clocked by a Garda Transit van in Roscommon that wasn't on the map. It is only a guide.

The temporary speed signs should have had the new limit posted in Iris Oifigiúil AFAIK for them to be enforcable. I can only find a notice which is effective until 31 March 2012. However, it may have been updated in the mean time and my search is just not yielding results.

http://www.irisoifigiuil.ie/currentissues/Ir110311-1pdf.pdf

Sit tight and drive safely kids!

rebelden

How long would one be waiting for the gardai to issued these penalties fines/points? Any further news/devlopments on how enforcable these fines are?

run_Forrest_run

rebelden wrote: »

How long would one be waiting for the gardai to issued these penalties fines/points? Any further news/devlopments on how enforcable these fines are?

been 2.5 weeks now and nothing yet.

twebber

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

been 2.5 weeks now and nothing yet.

Received a speeding notice in the post last tuesday, clocked on Friday 29/9/12 @6pm.

run_Forrest_run

twebber wrote: »

Received a speeding notice in the post last tuesday, clocked on Friday 29/9/12 @6pm.

were you clocked at the area discussed in this thread? I have not seen the Garda speed van at the spot in over a week now.
As i crawl along at 60kmph i notice so many cars zooming past me:)

twebber

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

were you clocked at the area discussed in this thread? I have not seen the Garda speed van at the spot in over a week now.
As i crawl along at 60kmph i notice so many cars zooming past me:)

Yup, first day I'd say too. Van hidden between machinery.
Agree about being passed by so many cars while crawling along there (on both sides) too.
No issue about safety of the workers at all but there were no signs up at all for the first few days.

rebelden

Anyone else receive a speed fine form the area discussed in the post?