Hatton v Senchenko

boxer.fan

Cant complain about a fight like this for the first one back in 3 years.

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/ricky-hatton-face-former-world-champion-senchenko

el flaco

Yeah looks about right. He's not a complete waste of space but is very much beatable and if worst comes to worst and Hatton is struggling he won't get pummeled either. It should at least provide reasonable value for money to everyone that bought tickets without knowing who they were even going to see.

Quigg v Munroe on the undercard is decent enough too and will provide an interest for Frampton fans.

walshb

Malignaggi beat this guy to win a world belt. That says it all. Anyway, 3 years out and a bad lifestyle vs. an active pro? Hmm. Who knows!

barney4001

Maybe ricky has bitten of more then he can chew here

Syferus

Ricky wasn't exactly a model pro even in his prime. He's still only 33 and if the fire's still in him this lad won't beat him.

barney4001

well he has not picked an easy come back fight

marvsins

barney4001 wrote: »

well he has not picked an easy come back fight

Ya i think its a good fight to keep him focused, as to fighting a complete journeyman.

iluvcheese92

Ricky Hatton is a great character and has arguably the greatest fan base boxing has ever seen. Saying that his style is absolutely horrific, why people continue to praise such an excessive clincher as himself as "exciting" is beyond me

megadodge

iluvcheese92 wrote: »

Ricky Hatton is a great character and has arguably the greatest fan base boxing has ever seen. Saying that his style is absolutely horrific, why people continue to praise such an excessive clincher as himself as "exciting" is beyond me

Jesus, that's way over the top altogether.

"Horrific"??? You haven't seen much boxing if you really believe that.

The worst holding (as opposed to 'clinching') I've ever seen in a Hatton fight was Floyd Mayweather in the first 5 rounds of their bout. If he wasn't American he'd most likely have been disqualified. 'Firm but fair' Joe Cortez my arse.

coolegrain

hatton wont beat senchenko first time back.....this fight is all wrong for the first one after a break like he's had....after an easier warm-up maybe, but hatton will be carrying more rust than the titanic.
he's had 3 years where he hasnt been active....i dont mean boxing active, i mean not physically active at all...he's been 15 stone, taking coke, drinking guniness, fighting with family, etc.....a year ago he looked like an old man walking with arthritas....now he has lost weight his neck is wrinkled..he's aged.
hatton wont be half the boxer he was...history shows that...34 is old for a welterweight....and he'll need to be more than half as good to beat senchenko, who isnt as bad as mallinaggi made him look.
and hatton doesnt box like paulie..hatton will be in senchenko's face all the time, easy for senchenko to find...unlike paulie darting in and out...he is 8 inches taller than hatton, so while hatton is working the big target body (and dont expect hattons late-2012 body shots to have the same snap as 2007) senchenko can be leaning all over him and pushing him off.....i expect hatton to be blowing by round 6 and late in the fight senchenko will stop him handily.

boxer.fan

coolegrain wrote: »

hatton wont beat senchenko first time back.....this fight is all wrong for the first one after a break like he's had....after an easier warm-up maybe, but hatton will be carrying more rust than the titanic.
he's had 3 years where he hasnt been active....i dont mean boxing active, i mean not physically active at all...he's been 15 stone, taking coke, drinking guniness, fighting with family, etc.....a year ago he looked like an old man walking with arthritas....now he has lost weight his neck is wrinkled..he's aged.
hatton wont be half the boxer he was...history shows that...34 is old for a welterweight....and he'll need to be more than half as good to beat senchenko, who isnt as bad as mallinaggi made him look.
and hatton doesnt box like paulie..hatton will be in senchenko's face all the time, easy for senchenko to find...unlike paulie darting in and out...he is 8 inches taller than hatton, so while hatton is working the big target body (and dont expect hattons late-2012 body shots to have the same snap as 2007) senchenko can be leaning all over him and pushing him off.....i expect hatton to be blowing by round 6 and late in the fight senchenko will stop him handily.

Not quite 8 inches, more like 2.5, amazing how 2.5 inches can look like 8 to some lads.

coolegrain

walshb

coolegrain wrote: »

hatton wont beat senchenko first time back.....this fight is all wrong for the first one after a break like he's had....after an easier warm-up maybe, but hatton will be carrying more rust than the titanic.
he's had 3 years where he hasnt been active....i dont mean boxing active, i mean not physically active at all...he's been 15 stone, taking coke, drinking guniness, fighting with family, etc.....a year ago he looked like an old man walking with arthritas....now he has lost weight his neck is wrinkled..he's aged.
hatton wont be half the boxer he was...history shows that...34 is old for a welterweight....and he'll need to be more than half as good to beat senchenko, who isnt as bad as mallinaggi made him look.
and hatton doesnt box like paulie..hatton will be in senchenko's face all the time, easy for senchenko to find...unlike paulie darting in and out...he is 8 inches taller than hatton, so while hatton is working the big target body (and dont expect hattons late-2012 body shots to have the same snap as 2007) senchenko can be leaning all over him and pushing him off.....i expect hatton to be blowing by round 6 and late in the fight senchenko will stop him handily.

You post a lot of sense here. I am a wee bit worried for Hatton. 3 years inactive with a horrible lifestyle vs. an active pro. I still maintain that the sparring will be key for Hatton and this fight. It may not even go ahead if Hatton cannot perform in sparring.

coolegrain

and look at the protest old man hatton made against it...he's knows ricky is all done now and he fears for him

walshb

For the sake of boxing I think it's best if Hatton is well beaten here. What is one to think if Hatton can casually come back after three years inactivity and desperation and meet and beat an active former world champion, albeit a world champion who cannot beat Paulie Malignaggi. I always rooted for Ricky when he fought. I did overrate him, but fekt in his fights he out everything on the line.

coolegrain

there's another thing...i dont go along with the way a lot of boxing fans think mallinaggi is a poor champion, mainly based on his lack of power.
he is one of the most skillful champions out there.

walshb

coolegrain wrote: »

there's another thing...i dont go along with the way a lot of boxing fans think mallinaggi is a poor champion, mainly based on his lack of power.
he is one of the most skillful champions out there.

Skillful in what way? He is a very weak excuse for a WW champion no matter what way you slice it. Not just his lack of power. He just has little to offer apart from slick feet and an awkward defense. A past it Hatton demolished him; Khan did too. Cotto did too.

I would still fancy a shot and inactive Hatton against Paulie, because Paulie has nothing to deter Hatton with, and he simply has not got the output to outwork Hatton. In saying this it's is only logical to label Paulie a weak champion. If Hatton does come back and beat him that is.

coolegrain

paulie wouldnt have got as far as competing at a level with the likes of cotto, hatton and khan without power unless he was skillful.....but you've give the example yourself, slick feet and arkward defense

Syferus

walshb wrote: »

For the sake of boxing I think it's best if Hatton is well beaten here. What is one to think if Hatton can casually come back after three years inactivity and desperation and meet and beat an active former world champion, albeit a world champion who cannot beat Paulie Malignaggi. I always rooted for Ricky when he fought. I did overrate him, but fekt in his fights he out everything on the line.

People really go OTT with this 'for the sake of..' stuff. If he wins, he wins, nothing more. It's not exactly a secret that the vast majority of the world champions today and in recent years are incredibly average by classical standards.

What Hatton does or doesn't do has no effect on a system that's been off the hinges for decades.

walshb

Syferus wrote: »

People really go OTT with this 'for the sake of..' stuff. If he wins, he wins, nothing more. It's not exactly a secret that the vast majority of the world champions today and in recent years are incredibly average by classical standards.

What Hatton does or doesn't do has no effect on a system that's been off the hinges for decades.

I suppose you're right, really!

colly10

He lost to anyone of any real quality that he fought. Even by today's standards I think it's fair to say he's a poor champion (if you call everyone that holds a belt a champion)

walshb

colly10 wrote: »

He lost to anyone of any real quality that he fought. Even by today's standards I think it's fair to say he's a poor champion (if you call everyone that holds a belt a champion)

You speaking of Hatton here I assume?

His opponent was a former champ at WW. His resume stinks.

colly10

walshb wrote: »

You speaking of Hatton here I assume?

His opponent was a former champ at WW. His resume stinks.

I'm talking about malignaggi, Hatton was a decent fighter who only lost to great fighters.

walshb

colly10 wrote: »

I'm talking about malignaggi, Hatton was a decent fighter who only lost to great fighters.

I thought that after I posted.

davegrohl48

If there are decent odds on Senchenko it would be worth taking them. Hatton's coordination after so little physical activity will be shot. He could be gone so far backwards it shocks even himself come fight night.
He can make the weight, pound away on punch bags, bodybags, but when he gets in with a moving opponent who hits back it should be a step beyond where he is right now.
Think of it like this Hatton has not even been jogging the last few years. He played in that celebrity football tournament (pretty sure that was after his last fight) and moved like Big Joe from accounting.
All that extra weight and drinking plays hell with your legs as well. That will leave him with no speed in defence/attack.

3ndahalfof6

davegrohl48 wrote: »

If there are decent odds on Senchenko it would be worth taking them. Hatton's coordination after so little physical activity will be shot. He could be gone so far backwards it shocks even himself come fight night.
He can make the weight, pound away on punch bags, bodybags, but when he gets in with a moving opponent who hits back it should be a step beyond where he is right now.
Think of it like this Hatton has not even been jogging the last few years. He played in that celebrity football tournament (pretty sure that was after his last fight) and moved like Big Joe from accounting.
All that extra weight and drinking plays hell with your legs as well. That will leave him with no speed in defence/attack.

I would be guessing the boxers he spars with will be hitting back, but yes it will be a tough comeback,

he is a tough fighter, he wont win, but he will once again put up a good show, then retire, minding his pay take this time,

he was no slouch, yes a bit of a fool and wanting to be one of the lads, he should talk to Joe Calzaghe, the greatest boxer still alive.

ivoryp

Personally I don't see Senchenko winning this fight.
Hatton's come forward style of boxing is probably more amenable to a comeback than a more reflex dependent/ counter punching/ technical boxer.
He will still be able to march forward, use the same amount of head movement etc.
How do we quantify the effects of 3 years binging? V hard to measure. I actually think he will in some regards be in better shape than if he had endured another 3 years of boxing/sparring etc.
It's the pressure of the comeback and if he takes his time in the first few rounds that will probably be more important than any of the other issues. This fight is Hatton's to lose rather than Senchenko's to win in my opinion.

el flaco

There's a lot being made of the drink/drugs/fatness being an issue with how he would cope in this fight. Sure, they aren't going to help, but no matter how clean you live, when your style is based on high tempo pressure-fighting, 34 is not a good age. Particularly in lower weight divisions.

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

he was no slouch, yes a bit of a fool and wanting to be one of the lads, he should talk to Joe Calzaghe, the greatest boxer still alive.

I can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek or not?

Jaysoose

el flaco wrote: »

There's a lot being made of the drink/drugs/fatness being an issue with how he would cope in this fight. Sure, they aren't going to help, but no matter how clean you live, when your style is based on high tempo pressure-fighting, 34 is not a good age. Particularly in lower weight divisions.



I can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek or not?

Was gonna say the same..would imagine sugar ray leonard would have something to say on the subject.

walshb

ivoryp wrote: »

Personally I don't see Senchenko winning this fight.
Hatton's come forward style of boxing is probably more amenable to a comeback than a more reflex dependent/ counter punching/ technical boxer.
He will still be able to march forward, use the same amount of head movement etc.
How do we quantify the effects of 3 years binging? V hard to measure. I actually think he will in some regards be in better shape than if he had endured another 3 years of boxing/sparring etc.
It's the pressure of the comeback and if he takes his time in the first few rounds that will probably be more important than any of the other issues. This fight is Hatton's to lose rather than Senchenko's to win in my opinion.

I see your point but I am inclined to think that we will see a noticeable deterioration in Hatton's stamina/workrate and sharpness, and durabilty. Hey, that still may see him win, as this guy really isn't great, but I wouldn't at all expect Hatton to be close to 2007/2008!

ivoryp

walshb wrote: »

ivoryp wrote: »

Personally I don't see Senchenko winning this fight.
Hatton's come forward style of boxing is probably more amenable to a comeback than a more reflex dependent/ counter punching/ technical boxer.
He will still be able to march forward, use the same amount of head movement etc.
How do we quantify the effects of 3 years binging? V hard to measure. I actually think he will in some regards be in better shape than if he had endured another 3 years of boxing/sparring etc.
It's the pressure of the comeback and if he takes his time in the first few rounds that will probably be more important than any of the other issues. This fight is Hatton's to lose rather than Senchenko's to win in my opinion.

I see your point but I am inclined to think that we will see a noticeable deterioration in Hatton's stamina/workrate and sharpness, and durabilty. Hey, that still may see him win, as this guy really isn't great, but I wouldn't at all expect Hatton to be close to 2007/2008!

I would expect deterioration in line with him now being 4 years older than 2008 definitely. It's the big deal about his lifestyle that I don't agree with fully.

I honestly see hatton winning this.

In fairness I have a low opinion of Senchenko. As i said elsewhere fighting an opponent with a 0-1 record in his 24th fight doesn't doesn't bode well for Senchenko in my mind.

I think the 10 round fight in the Manchester arena will suit Hatton. Time will tell I guess

walshb

ivoryp wrote: »

I would expect deterioration in line with him now being 4 years older than 2008 definitely. It's the big deal about his lifestyle that I don't agree with fully.

I honestly see hatton winning this.

In fairness I have a low opinion of Senchenko. As i said elsewhere fighting an opponent with a 0-1 record in his 24th fight doesn't doesn't bode well for Senchenko in my mind.

I think the 10 round fight in the Manchester arena will suit Hatton. Time will tell I guess

Deterioration:

Hence my use of the word "noticeable." I am in the camp that thinks years and lifestyle will show Hatton in an unfavourable light. Yes, he can win, as you noted. This opponent is far from great, but I wouldn't be surprised at all with a Hatton loss. Hatton from 5 years ago I would be quite confident of victory.

el flaco

Primetime have announced they are showing this fight. It's 14.95 of the Queens Pounds. The Irish equivalent is probably buried somewhere in the bowels of the site but it's usually about €21 or €22.

They also have a new website http://www.primetimeboxing.co.uk/home/
Seems strange that they wouldn't redirect you to the new one. Although neither website is great so I'm not surprised. They have several links on the site that just link back to the homepage and one that redirects you to Google....

Melion

So only a day away. Anyone think Senchenko is great value at 11/4, he is 17/1 to win in rounds 7-9.

walshb

I haven't a clue how this will go. Hatton has lost the weight, but that's only half the battle. I watched him hitting the pads and body bag and I noticed he was slower on his feet and his shots weren't as neat as they used to be. He looked a bit laboured. Now, has he the pro boxing stamina? How will he be come rds 7-8-9 IF the foe is still there and throwing decent leather at him?

3ndahalfof6

Is the result already decided, why would he return to the ring if he was going to be humiliated, unfortunately boxing being the sport it is nothing would surprise me.

weemcd

Melion wrote: »

So only a day away. Anyone think Senchenko is great value at 11/4, he is 17/1 to win in rounds 7-9.

I've no idea how good bad senchenko is, that is the only problem. Looked at his record, no one of note on it apart from paulie who is his only defeat.

If he had a few wins against decent opponents I would have no problem with a punt on him at those odds. Are the odds high because of all the UK money being lumped on hatton? or is senchenko just not that good?

Melion

weemcd wrote: »

I've no idea how good bad senchenko is, that is the only problem. Looked at his record, no one of note on it apart from paulie who is his only defeat.

If he had a few wins against decent opponents I would have no problem with a punt on him at those odds. Are the odds high because of all the UK money being lumped on hatton? or is senchenko just not that good?

I wouldnt touch Hatton at the prices being quoted which i expect will shorten even further tomorrow. After 3 years out of the ring, anything could happen, incidentally Hatton is 20/1 to win it in the first round.

barney4001

el flaco wrote: »

Primetime have announced they are showing this fight. It's 14.95 of the Queens Pounds. The Irish equivalent is probably buried somewhere in the bowels of the site but it's usually about €21 or €22.

They also have a new website http://www.primetimeboxing.co.uk/home/
Seems strange that they wouldn't redirect you to the new one. Although neither website is great so I'm not surprised. They have several links on the site that just link back to the homepage and one that redirects you to Google....

TRY FIRST ROW SPORTS.EU

barney4001

Melion wrote: »

I wouldnt touch Hatton at the prices being quoted which i expect will shorten even further tomorrow. After 3 years out of the ring, anything could happen, incidentally Hatton is 20/1 to win it in the first round.

BUT 2/7 TO WIN THE FIGHT

Melion

barney4001 wrote: »

BUT 2/7 TO WIN THE FIGHT

If i was interested in backing Hatton it would be to win it in the first 3 rounds which is 6/1.

Henno30

If Paulie stopped him, Senchenko can't be that good. If it goes to the late rounds it could be interesting.

Melion

Henno30 wrote: »

If Paulie stopped him, Senchenko can't be that good. If it goes to the late rounds it could be interesting.

If it goes past the 5th, Hatton will be in trouble.

walshb

Henno30 wrote: »

If Paulie stopped him, Senchenko can't be that good. If it goes to the late rounds it could be interesting.

My thoughts exactly, however, Senchenko's eyes were bad in the fight and this is why he was stopped. But, eyes or not, losing to Paulie is poor for a so called WC. I somehow think that Hattons' style (now washed up style) will suit Senchenko more. Paulie was slippy and elusive.

3ndahalfof6

If he is going to finish it early I would be thinking 3rd or 4th round, after this anything is possible, but I am sure (if the result is not decided already) Senchenko to win in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, round at 50/1 could be worth a few quid on each,

it would not surprise me, I will be punting on Senchenko to win in the distance mentioned, small money, but I might be smiling at the end with the people who are in the know,

small money being bet on this outcome over a wide area of UK is possible, while I am sure the bookies would be looking out for it, sometimes it will go under the radar.

moneymad

Hatton will kill this guy. You lads are off your heads thinking anything else is even remotely possible. Hilarious some of the comments on here.

ebbsy

Have to wait and see what happens when Hatton gets hit.

A good fighter in his day, just not good enough for the very top end of boxing but sure aint that the way with this sport.

Jayob10

ebbsy wrote: »

Have to wait and see what happens when Hatton gets hit.

A good fighter in his day, just not good enough for the very top end of boxing but sure aint that the way with this sport.

All this talk of Hatton by early KO????

I'm more interested in seeing what Hatton does when he is caught for the first time early. His punch resistance was shot 3 years ago.

I don't give him any chance here, and I'm fully aware Senchenko is nothing remotely special.

Denton Vassell apparently gave Hatton a pasting consistently in sparring, this fight is not the first of a comeback, its a money making exercise so Hatton can pay his bills now his TV deal with sky has gone down the tube.

The ordinary Senchenko to stop Hatton, possibly early. In order to have a chance Hatton is gunna need to come out swinging and if he does hes going to get caught.

People should be all over Senchenko by stoppage at 5/1

barney4001

Hatton is a lot shorter than Senchenko and it won,t be easy for Hatton to get to him I think its a 50/50 match

darced

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Henno30

Senchenko doesn't have a huge amount of power, and given how reluctant he was to exchange with Malignaggi. he can't have huge confidence in his chin either.

I think it all depends on well Senchenko can absorb or avoid the early body barrage by Hatton. If it goes beyond the early rounds you could imagine Hatton struggling to get inside Senchenko's jab and walking into straight right hands. That's when the punch resistance question would really come into play.

Senchenko is a bit like Andy Lee without the power. He's very technical, but quite rigid and mechanical and he doesn't have especially smooth footwork either. If he's well conditioned and he can make Hatton work to get close to him he could take the steam out of Hatton and gradually start to fight his fight.

If Hatton knocks the wind out of him early though you could see him getting stopped. His left hook is reasonable but I don't think he'll be at all comfortable in a brawl.

Too many unknowns to say for sure. People are saying that Hatton is just there to revive his promotional business, but there's a good chance the 35 year old Senchenko is just there for the money as well.