Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

RugbyLover123

Ah the ole Giles is a dinosaur conversation. Stopped listening to him years ago. The man gets paid to discuss football and can barely remember players names. Glad I see I’m not missing out when I see he was calling for Pep to get rid of KDB a few weeks ago.

Dick_Swiveller

Akabusi wrote: »

Giles is yesterday's man, he is way out of touch with modern football and for the sake of the show either needs to be dropped or challenged on his remarks.

Another good one from last week is that the secret to Klopp's success is more or less just having good players. He gave the example of Andy Robertson bombing up and down the pitch and being creative and saying that if you took the West Ham full backs and played them for Liverpool they wouldn't be able to do the same thing. There was no appreciation for the fact that Robertson has been coached by Klopp to do that, I don't recall him doing any of that for Hull.

When he comes out with nonsense I want him to be challenged on it but instead they all just pander to him as if afraid to upset him.

I found his "one trick pony" comment bizarre in the extreme (and I'm not a Liverpool fan). It's obvious to anyone who knows anything about football that Klopp has transformed that team completely. What one trick is he on about??

Dots1982

Can anyone confirm Paddy Agnew’s description of black Italians only being allowed to sell trinkets on the beach as their only means of employment?

It seemed unlikely. They aren’t allowed to work in factories?

styron

Dots1982 wrote: »

Can anyone confirm Paddy Agnew’s description of black Italians only being allowed to sell trinkets on the beach as their only means of employment?

It seemed unlikely. They aren’t allowed to work in factories?

His main point was that Black people are locked out of taxi driving - a traditional opportunity for advancement elsewhere - and are visibly on the periphery as seasonal fruit pickers and trinket sellers, with no integrative educational support for ethnic minority kids whatsoever.

Tell me how

Dots1982 wrote: »

Can anyone confirm Paddy Agnew’s description of black Italians only being allowed to sell trinkets on the beach as their only means of employment?

It seemed unlikely. They aren’t allowed to work in factories?

styron wrote: »

His main point was that Black people are locked out of taxi driving - a traditional opportunity for advancement elsewhere - and are visibly on the periphery as seasonal fruit pickers and trinket sellers, with no integrative educational support for ethnic minority kids whatsoever.

It was an incredibly poorly conceived and managed campaign.
Really shows how big an issue it is there.

Akabusi

Okay Robertson always had an attacking instinct but he has developed quite the game under Klopp. My point was that Giles was not giving Klopp any credit for his development, you could pick half of that Liverpool squad and say the same thing.

Modern football is what you see today which is totally different to what Giles keeps harping back to and using as examples in his analogy. Money, agents, contracts, rules, social media, diet, fitness, tactics, skills, equipment either didn't exist or has all changed radically.

Another example from a few weeks back was when he was on about Deli Ali and his poor form. I can't remember his exact explanation of it, but do recall thinking that Giles doesn't understand what happens nowadays. It was as usual compared to what happened at Leeds in the sixties which is ridiculous because of my examples above.

monstermag

Akabusi wrote: »

Okay Robertson always had an attacking instinct but he has developed quite the game under Klopp. My point was that Giles was not giving Klopp any credit for his development, you could pick half of that Liverpool squad and say the same thing.

Modern football is what you see today which is totally different to what Giles keeps harping back to and using as examples in his analogy. Money, agents, contracts, rules, social media, diet, fitness, tactics, skills, equipment either didn't exist or has all changed radically.

Another example from a few weeks back was when he was on about Deli Ali and his poor form. I can't remember his exact explanation of it, but do recall thinking that Giles doesn't understand what happens nowadays. It was as usual compared to what happened at Leeds in the sixties which is ridiculous because of my examples above.

How much would Giles be worth in todays market? I'd imagine he'd walk into the current spurs first team.

Dots1982

Dots1982 wrote: »

Can anyone confirm Paddy Agnew’s description of black Italians only being allowed to sell trinkets on the beach as their only means of employment?

It seemed unlikely. They aren’t allowed to work in factories?

Can't confirm any of that but can confirm that he's a brutal contributor.

Abel Ruiz

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Ah the ole Giles is a dinosaur conversation. Stopped listening to him years ago. The man gets paid to discuss football and can barely remember players names. Glad I see I’m not missing out when I see he was calling for Pep to get rid of KDB a few weeks ago.

Here is what giles said on Dunphy's The Stand a few days ago. Eamon challenged him on De Bruyne issue.

"De Bruyne played really really well, there is no doubt. He scored the two goals and made the other, he played well. And thats what we should expect of him, and he should expect of himself. We dont see that week in week out. And its just his attitude.
There is no doubt his ability. He's got terrific ability, do it week in, and week out. I'm not saying he can score two goals and make a goal every match, but just, his attitute, at times, is, very very, well I'd be very critical of it.
But certainly his ability. And city just destroyed arsenal, it could have been anything....."

Giles opinion makes sense to me, right or wrong.
But you just stick to the headlines, and moan, and dont bother listening.

Abel Ruiz

Akabusi wrote: »

Modern football is what you see today which is totally different to what Giles keeps harping back to and using as examples in his analogy. Money, agents, contracts, rules, social media, diet, fitness, tactics, skills, equipment either didn't exist or has all changed radically.

I'll still dont understand.
But a training session under Giles, he can teach a lot about tactics and skills.

Abel Ruiz

Dick_Swiveller wrote: »

I found his "one trick pony" comment bizarre in the extreme (and I'm not a Liverpool fan). It's obvious to anyone who knows anything about football that Klopp has transformed that team completely. What one trick is he on about??

But how long ago was that?
Was it when the liverpool defense was very dodgy????
I think you'll have to go back a good while, to hear that. It wasnt 2019 anyway.
Klopp has been the manager since 2015. First 3 seasons, 6th, 4th, 4th.
Does no one remember the abuse Klopp got, from all fans especially liverpool fans?????
Obviously liverpool are one of the best in the world now, but not 3 years ago.
And giles has obviously said how great a job he has done.

deisedude

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

But how long ago was that?
Was it when the liverpool defense was very dodgy????
I think you'll have to go back a good while, to hear that. It wasnt 2019 anyway.
Klopp has been the manager since 2015. First 3 seasons, 6th, 4th, 4th.
Does no one remember the abuse Klopp got, from all fans especially liverpool fans?????
Obviously liverpool are one of the best in the world now, but not 3 years ago.
And giles has obviously said how great a job he has done.

Giles said it like 2-3 weeks ago again

generalgerry

Giles: "I don't see why Liverpool are throwing away the opportunity to go through to the semi final of the League Cup, to play in some Mickey Mouse competition"
Nathan: "But they are obliged to".
Giles: "Are they?"

Higgins5473

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

Does no one remember the abuse Klopp got, from all fans especially liverpool fans?????

no, not really being honest.

Abel Ruiz

Higgins5473 wrote: »

no, not really being honest.

First thing that came to my head was Moreno...
Does no one remember more than two seasons ago?

Abel Ruiz

deisedude wrote: »

Giles said it like 2-3 weeks ago again

Do you have the clip?
I haven't heard him say it in more than a year, and I'd listen on otb and the stand regularly.
Could he have said "I used to say klopp and pool were a 1 trick....."?

EmmetSpiceland

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

Here is what giles said on Dunphy's The Stand a few days ago. Eamon challenged him on De Bruyne issue.

"De Bruyne played really really well, there is no doubt. He scored the two goals and made the other, he played well. And thats what we should expect of him, and he should expect of himself. We dont see that week in week out. And its just his attitude.
There is no doubt his ability. He's got terrific ability, do it week in, and week out. I'm not saying he can score two goals and make a goal every match, but just, his attitute, at times, is, very very, well I'd be very critical of it.
But certainly his ability. And city just destroyed arsenal, it could have been anything....."

Giles opinion makes sense to me, right or wrong.
But you just stick to the headlines, and moan, and dont bother listening.

Anyone who plays “fantasy football” can see that KDB has had a good season. I think he’s the top rated midfielder but if you check his score he’s benefited from a number of good “game weeks”. He has not been consistent.

It’s fairly obvious to see that City have suffered from defensive injuries. Can’t place the blame at anyone’s feet but maybe Giles, a man who’s loved football, for such a long time spots something, you would be foolish to ignore it.

He could be way off the mark but there’s been games where Sterling has “carried” the team.

EmmetSpiceland

generalgerry wrote: »

Giles: "I don't see why Liverpool are throwing away the opportunity to go through to the semi final of the League Cup, to play in some Mickey Mouse competition"
Nathan: "But they are obliged to".
Giles: "Are they?"

Is the “club World Cup” better than the Carabou Cup? I don’t know, you’re playing against the champions of the other conferences?

In the Carabou you’re playing the sub goalie and a full strength mid table team. It’s not a first team completion.

Even the FA Cup isn’t the same since Ferguson pulled United out of it. There was a time when the FA was huge, now it’s a small step over the Carabou.

Should Liverpool have put their strength into this FIFA money making “racket” and get an international trophy or should they have gone for domestic glory? Either way, if they don’t win the league it was all for nought.

ghostdancer

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

I'll still dont understand.
But a training session under Giles, he can teach a lot about tactics and skills.

I very much doubt that. Giles proves time and time again how little he understands about the modern game, including tactics and skills.
The notion that Giles has some knowledge that teams, armies of coaches, researchers, staff, players etc wouldn't already be aware of or exposed to, is quite frankly laughable.

deisedude

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

Do you have the clip?
I haven't heard him say it in more than a year, and I'd listen on otb and the stand regularly.
Could he have said "I used to say klopp and pool were a 1 trick....."?

I cant be arsed doing that to be honest. He said they were a 1 trick pony with a very good trick

Akabusi

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

I'll still dont understand.
But a training session under Giles, he can teach a lot about tactics and skills.

I don't agree, from what I have heard of him over the years he talks in simple terms about players having a better attitude or wanting the ball and they should be keeping the ball. I don't recall him ever going into any in-depth discussion on formations, or players roles etc.
Look at his managerial career - the highlight I think was finishing third in division 2 with West Brom.

My point is Off the Ball should stop this ridiculous weekly Uncle Albert slot and get someone else on who at the very least can remember the player's names and will have some preparation done.

Dots1982

There is a myth of Giles being a tactical masterclass.

His only tactical insight was you need midfielders who are comfortable and want to take the ball of the back four.

I don’t even mind Giles, but anyone identifying him as deeply tactically insightful hasn’t a brain in their head when it comes to football.

Blanco100

Wonder had Giles anything to say about the FAI? Doubt it, in fact id say he instructed them well in advance that he had nothing to comment about it. Like he politely told the apres match lads to knock their impersonation of him on the head as he didnt like it.

Thin skinned is Gilesy although he doesn't like to give that impression, he prefers to be thought of as a national treasure.

He is on the wane now though that Dunphy isnt his hype man outside of his podcast.

Some of the guff you here on his OTB slot is laughable. Set your watch to when Don Revie or Billy Bremner get mentioned regardless of whats been talked about. His biggest weakness is that he is not open minded about the game, he never was. He thinks people think too deeply about the game nowadays.

Guardiola would be too attentive to detail, whereas Giles would be a take each game on its merits situation like Arry Redknapp or Fat Sam

Abel Ruiz

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Anyone who plays “fantasy football” can see that KDB has had a good season. .

Fantasy Football??? ffs
Did you not read what Giles said on Monday? He didnt say he had a bad season.

ghostdancer wrote: »

The notion that Giles has some knowledge that teams, armies of coaches, researchers, staff, players etc wouldn't already be aware of or exposed to, is quite frankly laughable.

Well I did some coaching sessions with him in 80s and 90s, when I was doing my badges. I learned a lot from him and still copy him to this day with my team.
I never said he has knowledge of armies of coaches or reseachers.

deisedude wrote: »

I cant be arsed doing that to be honest.

Fair enough

Akabusi wrote: »

I don't agree, from what I have heard of him over the years he talks in simple terms about players having a better attitude or wanting the ball and they should be keeping the ball. I don't recall him ever going into any in-depth discussion on formations, or players roles etc.
Look at his managerial career - the highlight I think was finishing third in division 2 with West Brom.
My point is Off the Ball should stop this ridiculous weekly Uncle Albert slot and get someone else on who at the very least can remember the player's names and will have some preparation done.

Still got West Brom promoted as player manger. Maybe the highlight was being Irish player manager?
He should leave the radio, he should retire. I agree, no bs. The travel and hassle isnt worth it. He is getting abused every week.
Pity that he wont be remembered for everything he did for the sport in Ireland.
And imo he was an excellent pundit on rte. Who would be better? Neville, Carragher, Jose, cunningham? I'd rather giles over most on british/Irish tv.
Some of the audience seems to prefer fantasy football than actually watching the sport.

Dots1982 wrote: »

There is a myth of Giles being a tactical masterclass.
His only tactical insight was you need midfielders who are comfortable and want to take the ball of the back four.
I don’t even mind Giles, but anyone identifying him as deeply tactically insightful hasn’t a brain in their head when it comes to football.

I dont know where you got the word masterclass about giles, I never said that nor heard it, probably dunphy did in a classic rant.
I said he was a great coach and I learned a lot.
Thanks Dots!

Abel Ruiz

Blanco100 wrote: »

Wonder had Giles anything to say about the FAI? Doubt it, in fact id say he instructed them well in advance that he had nothing to comment about it. Like he politely told the apres match lads to knock their impersonation of him on the head as he didnt like it.

Thin skinned is Gilesy although he doesn't like to give that impression, he prefers to be thought of as a national treasure.

He is on the wane now though that Dunphy isnt his hype man outside of his podcast.

Some of the guff you here on his OTB slot is laughable. Set your watch to when Don Revie or Billy Bremner get mentioned regardless of whats been talked about. His biggest weakness is that he is not open minded about the game, he never was. He thinks people think too deeply about the game nowadays.

Guardiola would be too attentive to detail, whereas Giles would be a take each game on its merits situation like Arry Redknapp or Fat Sam

He already said on otb, that the solicitor advised not to say anything about the fai issue.
You seem to dislike him, but at least wait until the facts are released then nail him.
You've already judged him, by your tone...

If you actually listened to him on the the stand/otb. He has always defended pep against criticism but that doesn't suit your narrative.
Yeah, dismiss John, Harry and Sam, they are useless. Haven't a breeze about the game!

generalgerry

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

He already said on otb, that the solicitor advised not to say anything about the fai issue.

That's true actually I'd forgotten about that I wonder when he is going to address the issue.

hawley

The host keeps bringing up Galway United and anything to do with Galway. Very irritating and amateurish.

diusmr8a504cvk

hawley wrote: »

The host keeps bringing up Galway United and anything to do with Galway. Very irritating and amateurish.

That'd be Johnny Ward.

Dots1982

Brayan Chilly Shoplifter wrote: »

That'd be Johnny Ward.

He was in rare form yesterday. Very stream of consiousness and unproduced. frustrating that they provided So few premier league updates but it was quite funny and interesting about the Irish football scene. If you only wanted a radio version of Soccer Saturday it wasn’t for you but that’s the case every Saturday, I think it's the best show OTB does.

djemba djemba

Where does ger and the lads stand on darts now.
A sport where females compete against the males. Surely that would suit their woke views or is it still brexit down the pub.