Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

ThunbergsAreGo

Patww79 wrote: »

https://amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/peter-leahy-defends-mayo-set-up-868651.html

Fair play to him, for some reason I am not expected a detailed response from Cora and her merry band

anthonyjmaher

naughtb4 wrote: »

Fair play to him, for some reason I am not expected a detailed response from Cora and her merry band

Just read this story. So it is as was suspected. A few players didn't like the team selection and decided to down tools, and then throw in the phrase "player welfare issues, which are too personal for the player to talk about" so as to bring all the SJWs (like Off The Ball) on their side.



Should be interesting to hear what Joe Molloy has to say all the same. He's been holding Roy Keane to account all week for what he said - it's time Joe is held to account for what he said. But you would hope they might learn something. Far too often, they blindly take the side of the minority, simply because they are women, black, etc etc. And as we have seen from last weekend, there are a lot of people who like to excuse their own bad behaviour as other people's "racism, sexism, etc-ism"



Over to you, Joe :pac: wonder will it be covered on OTB AM in 45 minutes.

dr.kenneth noisewater

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

naughtb4 wrote: »

Fair play to him, for some reason I am not expected a detailed response from Cora and her merry band

Just read this story. So it is as was suspected. A few players didn't like the team selection and decided to down tools, and then throw in the phrase "player welfare issues, which are too personal for the player to talk about" so as to bring all the SJWs (like Off The Ball) on their side.



Should be interesting to hear what Joe Molloy has to say all the same. He's been holding Roy Keane to account all week for what he said - it's time Joe is held to account for what he said. But you would hope they might learn something. Far too often, they blindly take the side of the minority, simply because they are women, black, etc etc. And as we have seen from last weekend, there are a lot of people who like to excuse their own bad behaviour as other people's "racism, sexism, etc-ism"



Over to you, Joe :pac: wonder will it be covered on OTB AM in 45 minutes.

Was there any mention on OTB AM after? Just listening to the Wooly podcast now and confirms what most people thought already

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dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Was there any mention on OTB AM after? Just listening to the Wooly podcast now and confirms what most people thought already

Colm Parkinson was saying on Twitter how only RTE and the Examiner had covered Leahy's interview. He was semi-implying that it was strange that no one else had covered it.

It's building up nicely. OTB and the girls on one side, Leahy and a former OTB presenter on the other. ;)

BPKS

After listening to the interview with the Mayo manager I have two things in my head

1 - I would never, ever get involved in coaching a ladies team
2 - If I was the Mayo manager, I'd be getting my solicitor to send a letter to Cora Staunton

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BPKS wrote: »

After listening to the interview with the Mayo manager I have two things in my head

1 - I would never, ever get involved in coaching a ladies team
2 - If I was the Mayo manager, I'd be getting my solicitor to send a letter to Cora Staunton

It seems so surprising that it has got this far as you would have thought that people on both sides would be aware that their claims would eventually become public and that they would be vindicated or pilloried.

Someone is going to end up with their reputation tarnished in a fairly serious way more than just being seen as being awkward or incompetent.

djemba djemba

Cora must be keeping it for the book. Also TG4 are advertising a show about her time in Australia. I doubt she wants to do anything to damage that.

gormdubhgorm

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It seems so surprising that it has got this far as you would have thought that people on both sides would be aware that their claims would eventually become public and that they would be vindicated or pilloried.

Someone is going to end up with their reputation tarnished in a fairly serious way more than just being seen as being awkward or incompetent.

Agreed, it is verging on requiring legal action to sort it out.

Either the players are being treated horrendously and some of them are not aware of the nature of it.

OR

A certain core /(Cora) of players are being run by a ringleader who are doing thier best to force the current manager out, on the basis of vague issues.

ghostdancer

excellent interview. pretty much confirms the rumours that have been out there for several weeks now, with a lot more added details and explanation.
it's pretty blatant that Carnacon and their players, lead by one who is unhappy about team selection, have tried to organise a mutiny against the management and failed.

OTB have serious egg on their faces for the kid-gloves treatment that they gave Staunton, and where Joe's bias obviously lay during the interview.


this is the link to Parkinson's interview with Leahy for those looking:

https://soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour/mayo-ladies-manager-pater-leahy-gives-his-side-of-the-story

BPKS

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Agreed, it is verging on requiring legal action to sort it out.

Either the players are being treated horrendously and some of them are not aware of the nature of it.

OR

A certain core /(Cora) of players are being run by a ringleader who are doing thier best to force the current manager out, on the basis of vague issues.

On the basis of being dropped from the starting team and being told where your performances are lacking and what you need to work on.

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ghostdancer wrote: »

OTB have serious egg on their faces for the kid-gloves treatment that they gave Staunton, and where Joe's bias obviously lay during the interview.

I don't think OTB could be faulted much for their approach in that interview given what was known at that point. The way it is playing out and how they handle it will make interesting viewing.

If the walkout had been seen to be justified, and Joe had pushed aggressively, there'd be some calling for his removal for how he handled the interview.

gormdubhgorm

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I don't think OTB could be faulted much for their approach in that interview given what was known at that point. The way it is playing out and how they handle it will make interesting viewing.

If the walkout had been seen to be justified, and Joe had pushed aggressively, there'd be some calling for his removal for how he handled the interview.

Ah here, you are creating a situation that never happened/might happen.
Joe did not push anything at all he was interviewing her similar to how he would interview a broadcasting colleague.
It was obvious he did not want to ask her any difficult questions.
In contrast I remember the grilling OTB gave the chairperson of the LGFA, when she was on and got deservedly found out by how disjointed/disorganised/ lacking leadership it was on another issue (moving of fixtures to accommodate men).

From Colm Parkinson's podcast it seems to have all came down to 'feelings' and/or egos.

OTB would never put the question Cora straight out, and if she does not answer the question properly ask her what is she hiding.
Is it down to ego's and feelings?

They would probably lose Cora Staunton as a broadcaster for OTB there is a clear conflict of interest.

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gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ah here, you are creating a situation that never happened/might happen.
Joe did not push anything at all he was interviewing her similar to how he would interview a broadcasting colleague.
It was obvious he did not want to ask her any difficult questions.
In contrast I remember the grilling OTB gave the chairperson of the LGFA, when she was on and got deservedly found out by how disjointed/disorganised/ lacking leadership it was on another issue (moving of fixtures to accommodate men).

From Colm Parkinson's podcast it seems to have all came down to 'feelings' and/or egos.

OTB would never put the question Cora straight out, and if she does not answer the question properly ask her what is she hiding.
Is it down to ego's and feelings?

They would probably lose Cora Staunton as a broadcaster for OTB there is a clear conflict of interest.

I'm not creating anything.
When a group walks away as they did and cites player welfare, they are going to be dealt with kids gloves by most interviewers.

Time has elapsed since that interview and what has emerged seems to weaken their argument. It's easy to judge Joe/OTB with the benefit of hindsight.

And, all that been said, nothing has yet been proven in either way. If the girls were correct but it still isn't public, would Leahy have said anything differently on the podcast?

ThunbergsAreGo

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I'm not creating anything.
When a group walks away as they did and cites player welfare, they are going to be dealt with kids gloves by most interviewers.

Time has elapsed since that interview and what has emerged seems to weaken their argument. It's easy to judge Joe/OTB with the benefit of hindsight.

And, all that been said, nothing has yet been proven in either way. If the girls were correct but it still isn't public, would Leahy have said anything differently on the podcast?

If there was anything more sinister to it (as implied by the OTB interview)

I dont think

- he would have gone on the podcast and spoke in such uncertain terms
- there would have been support publicly given by the other panel
- there would have been such support within Mayo GAA to boot Carnacon from the championship

A simple "you use the word unsafe, why was it unsafe?" would have sufficed.
Nothing has changed since the interview. They were very very set in the big bad Mayo GAA vs honest women who just want to play football stance

BPKS

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I'm not creating anything.
When a group walks away as they did and cites player welfare, they are going to be dealt with kids gloves by most interviewers.

Time has elapsed since that interview and what has emerged seems to weaken their argument. It's easy to judge Joe/OTB with the benefit of hindsight.

And, all that been said, nothing has yet been proven in either way. If the girls were correct but it still isn't public, would Leahy have said anything differently on the podcast?

Hang on. Joe is supposed to be a sports journalist.

I heard what happened (i.e. what came out in the Parkinson interview) in late July.

If I was able to find out what was going on, surely a sports journalist could have done a bit of digging and found out what was going on behind the scenes, NDA or no NDA.

Joe jumped on the usual PC bullsh1t narrative that he usually does and now he looks like to total and utter buffoon. As well as a totally inept journalist.

gormdubhgorm

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I'm not creating anything.
When a group walks away as they did and cites player welfare, they are going to be dealt with kids gloves by most interviewers.

Time has elapsed since that interview and what has emerged seems to weaken their argument. It's easy to judge Joe/OTB with the benefit of hindsight.

Tell me how wrote: »

I don't think OTB could be faulted much for their approach in that interview given what was known at that point. The way it is playing out and how they handle it will make interesting viewing.

If the walkout had been seen to be justified, and Joe had pushed aggressively, there'd be some calling for his removal for how he handled the interview.

In your previous post you said
OTB can't be faulted they can they have not properly asked questions on the issues.
They style themselves as a 'new breed' journalist who get to the real nub of the issue with an 'intellectual' 'broader issue' slant where possible.
But they failed miserably to get any decent info on this issue.
In contrast to Colm Parkinson's interview where it was forthright and to the point.

Also, you said if Joe/OTB handled it aggressively some would be calling for his removal.
He barely handled it at all and quickly moved on, there is a big difference.

People were saying in the middle of this controversy why is Joe/OTB not asking real questions?
What is it about etc?
This criticism of them is not done with the benefit of hindsight at all, people could see what was/is happening with thier eyes and ears. (Even shown on this thread)
Cora was given a really easy time by OTB now they look stupid for all thier high-horsed moralising / in depth paper review 'piece analysis' etc, they could not get to the bottom of a story properly.
That would be proper old school journalism, it could have been a real scoop if they had a bit of balls.
And conducted good investigative journalism.

OTB should be on thier knees begging to get Colm Parkinson back he has really shown them up on this one.

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BPKS wrote: »

Hang on. Joe is supposed to be a sports journalist.

I heard what happened (i.e. what came out in the Parkinson interview) in late July.

If I was able to find out what was going on, surely a sports journalist could have done a bit of digging and found out what was going on behind the scenes, NDA or no NDA.

Joe jumped on the usual PC bullsh1t narrative that he usually does and now he looks like to total and utter buffoon. As well as a totally inept journalist.

I understand that Joe is a sports broadcaster. While related, it's not exactly an investigative journalist is it?

You found out in July? Why didn't you inform everyone then. You could have cleaned up. Colm is two months behind you.

You don't like Joe. Fine. I get it.

gormdubhgorm

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I understand that Joe is a sports broadcaster. While related, it's not exactly an investigative journalist is it?

Would ya come off it nobody was told what the issue was it needed to be investigated and it certainly was not OTB that did it.

I thought that is thier MO real sports journalist's not pandering to the stars?

BPKS

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I understand that Joe is a sports broadcaster. While related, it's not exactly an investigative journalist is it?

You found out in July? Why didn't you inform everyone then. You could have cleaned up. Colm is two months behind you.

You don't like Joe. Fine. I get it.

Cos it wasnt my business to make it public.

And I'm not exactly a credible source am I, an anonymous person on boards.

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gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They style themselves as a 'new breed' journalist who get to the real nub of the issue with an 'intellectual' 'broader issue' slant where possible.

Where do OTB brand themselves in this way? I must have missed it.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This criticism of them is not done with the benefit of hindsight at all, people could see what was/is happening with thier eyes and ears. (Even shown on this thread)

There is still no clear evidence though is there? People have strong opinions. It's hardly fact. And I say that as someone who thinks the Carnacon girls probably were ill-judged to do what they did.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

OTB should be on thier knees begging to get Colm Parkinson back he has really shown them up on this on.

Yeah. Colm did real investigative journalism. Peter? Do you want a platform to clear your name? I bet he fought hard.

passremarkable

Be Interesting to hear what joe will say to this evening or if he acknowledges Leahy’s interview.
If anyone catches otb this evening can they post if he says anything

Jayesdiem

It never ceases to amaze me how mindless some GAA players can be. An established player gets her nose out of joint and the rest of them jeopardise their inter county careers for her sake. Why? She’s no spring chicken and won’t be around much longer anyway.

BPKS

Absolute refusal by the OTB boys to put any blame on Staunton on the show and also a a refusal to question the ambiguous "player welfare" and "safety" she spouted.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

Where do OTB brand themselves in this way? I must have missed it.


There is still no clear evidence though is there? People have strong opinions. It's hardly fact. And I say that as someone who thinks the Carnacon girls probably were ill-judged to do what they did.



Yeah. Colm did real investigative journalism. Peter? Do you want a platform to clear your name? I bet he fought hard.

You seem to be wanting your cake and eating it and are trying to muddy the waters.
You are basically saying it is not OTB's fault, and then in the same breath saying if it is a fault it is someone else's.
Basically OTB can do no wrong in your book.
A few posts ago you were saying it is easy to judge OTB in hindsight, now you are changing the argument to it is hardly fact!?? :rolleyes:
I know the story is not fact but the point is OTB did not do due diligence on Cora Staunton at all.
There STILL has been no real story from Cora and she works in the same building with them!
I give OTB credit where it is due, but to blindly defend them is verging on the sycophantic.

As for Parkinson he might not be polished but he asks the questions, he kept firing questions at the Mayo manager asking him what the situation was.
In fairness to Parkinson he managed to draw a lot of info out of him.
That Peter Leahy was an old school manager etc, interactions with players, past events.
Actual answers, a story, not vague comments.
Also a few weeks ago, Parkinson said he considered getting Cora Staunton on the show, but he said he decided against it because she does not seem to want to answer any real questions, so there is no point.

As for the way OTB brand themselves they do see themselves as on the vanguard of sports journalism - telling it like it is, getting to the real news, a different angle, guff like that.

dr.kenneth noisewater

passremarkable wrote:

Be Interesting to hear what joe will say to this evening or if he acknowledges Leahy’s interview. If anyone catches otb this evening can they post if he says anything

Any mention?

anthonyjmaher

Joe really has a huge amount of egg on his face with this one. Cora Staunton really sold him a pup. And she actually put Newstalk in a precarious position legally, given that she was allowed (without challenge from Joe) to portray the management team as irresponsible people did not protect their players from the "player welfare" and "safety issues".

The first time the story was covered, Joe had already taken the player's corner. This is what Joe Molloy said on August 22nd when speaking to a journalist from a Mayo newspaper on OTB. Speaking of the decision to boot Carnacon out of the championship, Joe said:

"They are perfectly entitled to withdraw their players over player welfare issues if they want to. And they didn't do it without the player's agreement. They didn't just dream it up. I mean, the players clearly talked to the club and said something is not right here. This is one of the worst decisions I remember happening. *much sighing* I mean they haven't brought the game into disrepute. . . they just haven't!!"

http://www.offtheball.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/64088/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

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gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You seem to be wanting your cake and eating it and are trying to muddy the waters.
You are basically saying it is not OTB's fault, and then in the same breath saying if it is a fault it is someone else's.
Basically OTB can do no wrong in your book.
A few posts ago you were saying it is easy to judge OTB in hindsight, now you are changing the argument to it is hardly fact!?? :rolleyes:

Wow. That's nearly impressive.

What is not their fault? Where must blame be apportioned here? I simply commented on a reasonable view of how they handled the initial interview.

You seem to have a strong hatred for the show (or maybe just Joe) and just want to be able to blame them for something. Again. I'm not sure what that something is.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I give OTB credit where it is due, but to blindly defend them is verging on the sycophantic.

I'm not blindly defending anyone (again defending them from what?). I'm giving my view on how they handled the interview at the time. I'm not saying they were right (that the girls were correct), I'm not saying Colm is wrong, I'm merely saying I think their interview was understandable at that moment.


Sycophantic? Yeah. I know exactly what you mean.

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anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Joe really has a huge amount of egg on his face with this one.

:D:D:D:D

Yeah, he's really embarrassed about it.

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Long interview played tonight with several hurlers and footballers and Joe as part of All Star nominations was very good.

Particularly Joe Canning and Andy Moran.

theoneeyedman

Is there a podcast of the Cora interview on OTB, I can't find it? Thanks