Blogger meets his Troll

frozenfrozen · 26-09-2012 8:51pm

im behind 7 proxies

splendid101 · 26-09-2012 8:51pm

UCDVet wrote: »

I have to agree with others - it really sounds like a made up story that didn't happen; IMHO.

It wouldn't be hard to get the trolls IP address, assuming they weren't going to great lengths to hide it. Sending an e-mail will include the origination IP or getting them to visit a website you control. Easy enough.

Taking an IP address and matching it to an address? Very difficult. The location based 'estimates' you see on websites are just that, estimates, based off lookup tables.

http://html5demos.com/geo shows a location 3km north of where I am.
http://www.whereisip.net/ shows a location 4km northeast of where I am.

I can conceive of an elaborate system where, if he suspected his friends, he could make individual posts on something like Facebook that each was only visible to one friend that included a unique link to a website. Each friend that clicked on it would then provide him with a friend -> IP mapping. Then he could compare that to the IP of the troll and realize it was the same as a friend.

But it's a real stretch to see that happening.

And even then - it wouldn't identify which family member it was. In fact, it wouldn't identify anything more than someone had access to one of their computers. It's just as likely (in this world of super hax0rs and evil trolls) that the troll HACKED into his friends home computer.

But no, this guy managed to track down the troll and comes to discover his parents *think* he's an evil bastard who would do those things; with no evidence of it. Then, they setup a 'sting' operation - where the kid breaks down, cries, confesses....

And the kids OWN PARENTS want to involve the law; but not this kind hearted old man, who did nothing wrong, but was still persecuted, out-witted his foe, and then showed compassion and love.

Seems fishy to me.

One of those links above got to about five metres from where I'm sitting.

Mickey H · 26-09-2012 8:53pm

splendid101 wrote: »

One of those links above got to about five metres from where I'm sitting.

SURPRISE!!

Sulla Felix · 26-09-2012 8:57pm

splendid101 wrote: »

One of those links above got to about five metres from where I'm sitting.

html5 has me sitting on Dame St instead of the middle of the Wicklow Mts, the other one has me in Nenagh.

Sierra 117 · 26-09-2012 9:04pm

I tried that HTML5 Demo. They sure found me alright.

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo60/Kal_Of_Krypton/ThelibyansfoundmeMarty.png

Mickey H · 26-09-2012 9:06pm

UCDVet wrote: »

http://html5demos.com/geo <--- Says I'm on Dame Street, Dublin if I use Chrome.

Site also tells me I'm on Dame Street. Hey, html5demos, here's a hint: Try West of Ireland for a start...

splendid101 · 26-09-2012 9:07pm

How come HTML5 knows exactly where I am and not other people? Help!

Sierra 117 · 26-09-2012 9:11pm

I'm sorry splendid. None of us can help you now. They have you. Good luck, my friend.

say_who_now? · 26-09-2012 9:13pm

scamalert wrote: »

your such a tool :rolleyes: my n8 points me less then 5 meters from my house without wifi or triangulation crap on.

Oh scam, instead of rolling your eyes, as another poster already suggested- sit down and you might learn something. Concentrate on what is written on the screen in front of you. I said I used Google maps, which would be more widely used than Nokia maps, and I was using it indoors, so it wasn't picking up as many satellites as it would outdoors. Now even in offline mode, Nokia maps will only give my location within 5 metres at street level, standing on my balcony, four floors up.

scamalert wrote:

Not so long ago someone tracked down half of anonymous group,although they are hiding behind 5 walls and without any help of cops,and yet you think its impossible to track 17y old dork.

When did I say it was impossible to track someone? I've maintained all along that it is impossible for an individual, to tie someone's IP address, to their home address, by "perfectly legal" means at least, as the author maintains.

Odysseus · 26-09-2012 9:16pm

splendid101 wrote: »

One of those links above got to about five metres from where I'm sitting.

I'm in Dublin, accordinmg to those links I'm posting from Offaly

splendid101 · 26-09-2012 9:22pm

I think I'm going to die.

Zab · 26-09-2012 9:24pm

splendid101 wrote: »

How come HTML5 knows exactly where I am and not other people? Help!

Most likely they either aren't using wifi or denied the page access to the locator.

dr.bollocko · 26-09-2012 9:24pm

splendid101 wrote: »

How come HTML5 knows exactly where I am and not other people? Help!

http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html#security

scamalert · 26-09-2012 10:16pm

say_who_now? wrote: »

When did I say it was impossible to track someone? I've maintained all along that it is impossible for an individual, to tie someone's IP address, to their home address, by "perfectly legal" means at least, as the author maintains.

OK wont argue anymore no point,maybe he went to the guards got ip of them,or eircom itself,hell knows.He acted in best solution possible and if that's true so be it.happy ending.

BaZmO* · 26-09-2012 10:22pm

I don't know what this thread is about any more. Bloody nerds!

Odysseus · 26-09-2012 10:34pm

I don't know, it doesn't seem real to me, the trolls response when confronted doesn't gel with me. I don't think a person who went that far who just break down crying when confronted.

kunst nugget · 27-09-2012 10:04am

He's put a footnote on the story, saying this is the method used:
http://evertb.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/tracking-a-troll/

I tried my own IP address and it placed me about two hundred miles away in Ennis. It looks like a nice building but it's sadly not where I am…

fasttalkerchat · 27-09-2012 10:09am

My take on it now is that he always suspected the friend's son and the IP address put it within a mile of his friend's house. He removed that part from the story to avoid upsetting the parents more.

dr.bollocko · 27-09-2012 10:17am

Hi Bríd,

I’d have asked exactly the same question.
The methods I used were verified as legal & “above board” by an independent data protection specialist. My blog was read by a lawyer & by the youth’s parents before I published it and I removed a lot of the specifics to protect the minor’s identity.

Quote from Leo in the comments of the blog.

27-09-2012 10:19am

kunst nugget wrote: »

He's put a footnote on the story, saying this is the method used:
http://evertb.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/tracking-a-troll/

That "method" is exactly the same one that has been totally debunked on this thread over and over again. You cannot geo-locate an IP address (without any other references) to anything remotely like the level needed to identify a single house

However, the note that Leo added to the story was this:

The methods I used were verified as legal & “above board” by an independent data protection specialist. My blog was read by a lawyer & by the youth’s parents before I published it and I removed a lot of the specifics to protect the minor’s identity.

Which seems a huge cop-out. I find it very difficult to believe that there is anything about the methods used that could possibly lead to identifying the youth

kunst nugget · 27-09-2012 10:24am

28064212 wrote: »

That "method" is exactly the same one that has been totally debunked on this thread over and over again. You cannot geo-locate an IP address (without any other references) to anything remotely like the level needed to identify a single house

However, the note that Leo added to the story was this:

Which seems a huge cop-out. I find it very difficult to believe that there is anything about the methods used that could possibly lead to identifying the youth

Sorry, my original post should have said two hundred miles away. I'm nowhere near Ennis.

It still doesn't clear anything up for me. I really don't believe he had an independent data protection specialist look over tbh.

stmol32 · 27-09-2012 11:01am

I think the people who know what they're talking about (I'm a network engineer meself) have more than adequately demonstrated that his "IP tracking friend" is pure hollywood bull****e.

I'm getting a bit bored reading the same posts so is there any chance there's any Gardai reading this who want to wade in his scurrilous claim that he reported a death threat with physical evidence and they wouldn't do anything about it?

BizzyC · 27-09-2012 11:38am

This whole thing looks like a nice story, but smells of complete BS...

Carlos_Ray · 27-09-2012 11:43am

Nice little tale but obviously pure fiction.

A troll writes a story about tracking a troll. genius.

say_who_now? · 27-09-2012 1:42pm

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Hi Bríd,

I’d have asked exactly the same question.
The methods I used were verified as legal & “above board” by an independent data protection specialist. My blog was read by a lawyer & by the youth’s parents before I published it and I removed a lot of the specifics to protect the minor’s identity.

Quote from Leo in the comments of the blog.

Sweet Jesus, he got in an independent data protection specialist to check his IT genius friend's work, then had a lawyer (i believe we call them solicitors in Ireland, lawyers in America) look over it too? This guy just keeps digging! :pac:

"Terrorised" for two years and death threats, etc, and with a quick nod to the parents he shook the kids hand and they all lived happily ever after? When you want to paint yourself up as this "I'm so fantastic because I forgave my tormentor, aren't I?" kinda guy, the more elaborate the plan, the more shìt that can go wrong, and in this case- it's all going horribly pear shaped.

kunst nugget · 27-09-2012 2:19pm

Link to crackpot website. Had a look around it after reading the article and it's a total CT site. Not something I'd endorse...

My name is URL · 27-09-2012 2:35pm

He's the Messiah now

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/26/leo-traynor-hero-yom-kippur

whitesands · 27-09-2012 3:20pm

Isn't it convenient that he's involved in politics, get's trolled cos he's jewish & the holocaust comes into it.

While I said on page 4 it would be possible using html5, it would be very unlikely & only work in a small number of cases. This story is a complete fabrication from start to finish.

The guardian look like they are banning comments questioning it.

Also, what's with the comment about the kid reading conspiracy sites?!? How is that relevant. This story isn't to boost his twitter, he has a political agenda.

Carlos_Ray · 27-09-2012 4:18pm

"The Troll's mother said "If you want to call the Garda we'll support you in that. I'm ashamed of him."

I responded: "I'm not criminalizing a 17 year old kid and ruining his future. But I will write about it - and you must all guarantee me that he'll go and see a counsellor about this or I will go legal on you."

This sounds totally outrageous...

Scioch · 27-09-2012 5:32pm

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

"The Troll's mother said "If you want to call the Garda we'll support you in that. I'm ashamed of him."

I responded: "I'm not criminalizing a 17 year old kid and ruining his future. But I will write about it - and you must all guarantee me that he'll go and see a counsellor about this or I will go legal on you."

This sounds totally outrageous...

Sounds like blackmail to me. :pac:

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