Is it acceptable for a teacher?

tap

To take a student from class and place them in a higher year facing the wall?

And told sit there facing the wall. All this over laughing in class the day before.

danny8

I would say that there is a bit more to it than that. Have to remember Kids are no angles any more, the stories i hear from friends who are teachers is shocking.

tap

I'm well aware that kids are not saints. However the Teacher that put my daughter into a different class was not Teaching the class that my daughter laughed in.

It solves nothing putting her into a higher year with other students looking at her while she's made face the wall

Michael Weston

tap wrote: »

To take a student from class and place them in a higher year facing the wall?

And told sit there facing the wall. All this over laughing in class the day before.

Whats with the facing the wall ? Could they not have given the student a book to read or work to do instead?? Thats a complete joke and waste of time totally counter productive

tap

Michael Weston wrote: »

Whats with the facing the wall ? Could they not have given the student a book to read or work to do instead?? Thats a complete joke and waste of time totally counter productive

Exactly

If that had happened I would be less bothered, but the fact that she was made face the wall bothers me.
Also the whole class laughed but three laughed the loudest and two of the three were put into different classes and only my daughter was told to face the wall

Michael Weston

tap wrote: »

Exactly

If that had happened I would be less bothered, but the fact that she was made face the wall bothers me.
Also the whole class laughed but three laughed the loudest and two of the three were put into different classes and only my daughter was told to face the wall

Very dated method of discipline, I think if it was me I would have to have a word. It is after all school and not guantanamo bay.

That was just a complete waste of time.

eviltwin

I would have a word with the principal, it could be he or she isn't aware at the tactics some of the teachers use.

This kind of punishment is very outdated

Just out of curiosity though, why did you're daughter's teacher not discipline her? Why send her to another class?

SerialComplaint

What age are the children in question? Who told your daughter to face the wall - her own teacher, or the teacher of the year she was moved to?

Teyla Emmagan

Seems fair enough to me, might be enough of a deterrant that she won't repeat that behaviour again.

Jogathon

If this embarrassing punishment works then it'll benefit your daughter in the long run. She won't misbehave in that teacher's class again and maybe she'll learn in the next class because she'll be in there listening. Why make an issue of it?

However, it is an old fashioned punishment. Effective but a bit old-fashioned. I wouldn't like it but a sharp shock to the "coolness" factor of teenagers is sometimes the only way!!!

Pawwed Rig

There should be no laughter during childhood. We need to stamp this out NOW.

OP I would have a word. This type of thing and lines are a waste of everyone's time

listermint

Seems fair enough to me, I had a similar incident happen to me, except i wasnt lucky enough to get a chair.

Its a shame that kids these days always think they have the upper hand and are supported unquestionably by their parents, my parents would have looked at me suspiciously and questioned the tripe i was telling them tbh.


Oh and i thank them for it because ive turned out just fine. Stamping incidents like these out before they start is best rather than always trying to be your childs 'friend'. They'll thank you for it later in life that you had their interests at heart. School is for learning.

marienbad

This is utterly unacceptable - there is no place for humiliation in school. I am astonished that any on here see any merit in this type of behaviour.

Be sure to have more than just a word with the authorities in question, but speak to your daughter as well.

Piliger

How are teachers to discipline kids now ? Every time they do anything, the parents are all over them complaining about their children. I am NO fan of teachers in general for a whole load of reasons but this is one area where a complete mess has been made. Kids in school are out of control because there are few if any sanctions teachers can take.

What on earth is so awful about being made to face the wall for goodness sakes ? Will the child be traumatised ? Why not let the teachers teach and do their job.

tap

Piliger wrote: »

How are teachers to discipline kids now ? Every time they do anything, the parents are all over them complaining about their children. I am NO fan of teachers in general for a whole load of reasons but this is one area where a complete mess has been made. Kids in school are out of control because there are few if any sanctions teachers can take.

What on earth is so awful about being made to face the wall for goodness sakes ? Will the child be traumatised ? Why not let the teachers teach and do their job.

Facing a wall is utter useless and teaches nothing. Should Teachers face the wall also?

Pawwed Rig

Because it is a waste of the child's learning time.

Punish her by making her learn a page or German words, write an essay or something beneficial. Standing facing a wall is a lazy punishment that benefits nobody.

tap

SerialComplaint wrote: »

What age are the children in question? Who told your daughter to face the wall - her own teacher, or the teacher of the year she was moved to?

Her Year head removed her from class and the Teacher in the class she was moved to told her to face the wall.

tap

eviltwin wrote: »

I would have a word with the principal, it could be he or she isn't aware at the tactics some of the teachers use.

This kind of punishment is very outdated

Just out of curiosity though, why did you're daughter's teacher not discipline her? Why send her to another class?

Everything is referred to the Year head and she "deals" with it. This happened Yesterday and she was sent to a different class Today

afatbollix

For a year head to get involved it sounds alot more serious than just laughing!

Also if I was a teacher and a kid was put into my class that was there on a punishment I would want that kid out of the way and not disrupting my class. Facing the wall would be a good way of doing that.

Why should a teacher that didn't have the issue with your child be forced to take the time out to set her work that they then have to check to make sure she completed.

tap

afatbollix wrote: »

For a year head to get involved it sounds alot more serious than just laughing!

Also if I was a teacher and a kid was put into my class that was there on a punishment I would want that kid out of the way and not disrupting my class. Facing the wall would be a good way of doing that.

Why should a teacher that didn't have the issue with your child be forced to take the time out to set her work that they then have to check to make sure she completed.

I never said anything about the other teacher giving her work? It hardly hurt the teacher having a student sit quietly in her class.

The year head normally deals with it

SerialComplaint

tap wrote: »

Her Year head removed her from class and the Teacher in the class she was moved to told her to face the wall.

How old is she? I'm presuming it is secondary school, given the reference to Year Head.

Does the school have a discipline policy? This should give an idea of the procedure they are supposed to follow.

afkasurfjunkie

so something happened in class? you dont mention what. it would be interesting to see what they were laughing at as it would give a better indication as to why 3 students would need to be removed from that class the next day as a punishment.

your daughter was obviously moved into a classroom where the teacher had their own teaching to do with their own class and didnt need the distraction of your daughter. she was asked to face the wall, probably to stop her distracting the class being taught.

its not a common punishment but ive seen it done.
sounds to me like they were laughing AT someone rather then laughing WITH someone if you know what i mean.

eviltwin

Who told you the punishment was for laughing in class, your daughter or a teacher? Agree with the others, getting a year head involved seems like an over reaction for a child laughing. Wonder what she was laughing at....

Agent Smith

I would Imagine the facing the wall was to stop them distracting the other students.

marienbad

Piliger wrote: »

How are teachers to discipline kids now ? Every time they do anything, the parents are all over them complaining about their children. I am NO fan of teachers in general for a whole load of reasons but this is one area where a complete mess has been made. Kids in school are out of control because there are few if any sanctions teachers can take.

What on earth is so awful about being made to face the wall for goodness sakes ? Will the child be traumatised ? Why not let the teachers teach and do their job.

What does humiliation teach ? Would you tolerate it in the workplace for example ?

listermint

marienbad wrote: »

What does humiliation teach ? Would you tolerate it in the workplace for example ?

It teaches that 'if i distract others in the class i will be be made stand out from the class' achieving 2 things you become embarrassed or youve got what you wanted attention.

They are not adults so please dont compare a work place as the same as a learning environment full of hormonal students.

enfant terrible

listermint wrote: »

It teaches that 'if i distract others in the class i will be be made stand out from the class' achieving 2 things you become embarrassed or youve got what you wanted attention.

They are not adults so please dont compare a work place as the same as a learning environment full of hormonal students.

True don't know why some people think its ok to treat children as sub human.

marienbad

listermint wrote: »

It teaches that 'if i distract others in the class i will be be made stand out from the class' achieving 2 things you become embarrassed or youve got what you wanted attention.

They are not adults so please dont compare a work place as the same as a learning environment full of hormonal students.

You make a lot of assumptions there , I think it far more likely that it will teach resentment and anger and turn kids against school , at least that was my experience when such practice was routine in schools. It was the lazy option then and it still is now.

Children are people and citizens too you know so of course you can compare with adults as hopefully the upcoming referendum will make very clear.

listermint

marienbad wrote: »

You make a lot of assumptions there , I think it far more likely that it will teach resentment and anger and turn kids against school , at least that was my experience when such practice was routine in schools. It was the lazy option then and it still is now.

Children are people and citizens too you know so of course you can compare with adults as hopefully the upcoming referendum will make very clear.

Okay so the unlazy option is to what ? stop the entire class from learning ? bring the individuals aside?

Or is it best to exclude them from that lesson. You know there is finite resources available and children that think they know it all are a drain, including the parents who back them up or are lazy parents in their own right.

marienbad

listermint wrote: »

Okay so the unlazy option is to what ? stop the entire class from learning ? bring the individuals aside?

Or is it best to exclude them from that lesson. You know there is finite resources available and children that think they know it all are a drain, including the parents who back them up or are lazy parents in their own right.

Again you are making assumptions but lets say all the things you say may be correct , so lets find solutions for them.

Humiliating children is not the solution.

Tigerandahalf

I think the OP is like many parents today. Everybody knows their rights but not their responsibilities. Your child was laughing in class and disturbing teaching time. Why are you not asking your child why she was disturbing the teacher's teaching time. This is what erodes teaching time in class and drives teachers bananas. When I was young if I did this and it came home to my father I would get a kick up the hole. I learnt my lesson. Too many parents cant discipline their own children, one of the most important things a parent can give to a child.

Piliger

marienbad wrote: »

What does humiliation teach ? Would you tolerate it in the workplace for example ?

What is humiliating about facing the wall ? Is extra homework also humiliating ? detention ? jeeepers... you can turn ANYthing into a humiliation if you chose.

Teyla Emmagan

If your child behaves this won't happen again, so why make an issue out of it? It was only 35/40 minutes of her life, so it's not like it was a huge waste of a learning opportunity. And calling it a 'humiliation' is a bit rich IMO. I don't think she'll be scarred forever or anything.

tap

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

I think the OP is like many parents today. Everybody knows their rights but not their responsibilities. Your child was laughing in class and disturbing teaching time. Why are you not asking your child why she was disturbing the teacher's teaching time. This is what erodes teaching time in class and drives teachers bananas. When I was young if I did this and it came home to my father I would get a kick up the hole. I learnt my lesson. Too many parents cant discipline their own children, one of the most important things a parent can give to a child.

The WHOLE class laughed but you have failed to read that. I send my child to school to get an education not to be made a fool of, and face a wall. So the whole class disturbed teaching time?
I spoke with the year head on the phone and she lied to me on the phone.

listermint

tap wrote: »

The WHOLE class laughed but you have failed to read that. I send my child to school to get an education not to be made a fool of, and face a wall. So the whole class disturbed teaching time?
I spoke with the year head on the phone and she lied to me on the phone.

Okay so you took your childs word that the WHOLE class laughed, take a step back, take a deep breath and get on with it.

I as many other children did would tell their parents anything to make the situation less 'my fault'. Saying that everyone else was in on it would be the first step in my chain of white lies.

You need to tell your child to get on with their work, and leave this MINISCULE incident behind. Making something out of nothing is ridiculous at this stage.

tap

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

If your child behaves this won't happen again, so why make an issue out of it? It was only 35/40 minutes of her life, so it's not like it was a huge waste of a learning opportunity. And calling it a 'humiliation' is a bit rich IMO. I don't think she'll be scarred forever or anything.

Wow I hope you are never in a situation where you laugh with a GROUP of people.

Where did I say anything about Humiliation?

tap

listermint wrote: »

Okay so you took your childs word that the WHOLE class laughed, take a step back, take a deep breath and get on with it.

I as many other children did would tell their parents anything to make the situation less 'my fault'. Saying that everyone else was in on it would be the first step in my chain of white lies.

You need to tell your child to get on with their work, and leave this MINISCULE incident behind. Making something out of nothing is ridiculous at this stage.

I'm far from stupid I know children will tell lies. It is not making something out of nothing.

Jeez it doesn't take long for the Teacher worshipers to come out of the woodwork

listermint

tap wrote: »

I'm far from stupid I know children will tell lies. It is not making something out of nothing.

Jeez it doesn't take long for the Teacher worshipers to come out of the woodwork

Teacher worshippers? Ive no worship for teachers in any sense. What i do have is experience of community schooling. I could tell you which teachers that were doing a useless job, i could tell you the ones that instilled a correct amount of terror in 'young adults' and you knew which classes not to take the piss in.

I also knew the edgits that would come out of school with nothing gained and when i look around me now i see the same people in a job im sure they hate and wishing they had gone on to college or elsewhere when they were too busy knowing it all and laughing their heads off.

So i urge you to get on with it, have your child brush this aside put their head down and get back to education. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill and taking something that was trivial too personal.

Pawwed Rig

I would argue that if a teacher has to instil a sense of terror into the children then they need to choose a different profession. I am waiting for the ‘Sure My teacher useta bate me around the place and it never did me any harm’.


Admittedly we have far from the full story here but even still it is a stupid punishment that benefits noone. I remember one teacher we had used to hand out 100 lines for the slightest thing. Even at 14 years old I could see what a waste of time it was and it did not make me any better at Irish which is what she should have been teaching me.

listermint

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I would argue that if a teacher has to instil a sense of terror into the children then they need to choose a different profession. I am waiting for the ‘Sure My teacher useta bate me around the place and it never did me any harm’.


Admittedly we have far from the full story here but even still it is a stupid punishment that benefits noone. I remember one teacher we had used to hand out 100 lines for the slightest thing. Even at 14 years old I could see what a waste of time it was and it did not make me any better at Irish which is what she should have been teaching me.

No this particular teacher was both the one that could instantly quieten a class, (and we knew not to take the piss) but was also one of everyones favourite teachers..

explain that one away ...........

efb

This topic reminds me why I never became a teacher

Teyla Emmagan

tap wrote: »

Wow I hope you are never in a situation where you laugh with a GROUP of people.

Where did I say anything about Humiliation?

Someone else said it was humiliating to the child, which I disagree with.

I think you are making a mountain out of molehill here. There are times every child needs their parents to defend them, but this really isn't one of those. Calling for an inquest at the school will achieve nothing. It's no wonder teachers don't have the time to be setting additional work as a punishment instead of telling a child to face a wall when they have to deal with this sort of daftness. Even if your child was not in the wrong in this instance they will forget the whole thing fast enough if you don't make more of a fuss than you already have.

mitosis

tap wrote: »

The WHOLE class laughed but you have failed to read that. I send my child to school to get an education not to be made a fool of, and face a wall. So the whole class disturbed teaching time?
I spoke with the year head on the phone and she lied to me on the phone.

Everyone's out of step except my Janey.

marienbad

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Someone else said it was humiliating to the child, which I disagree with.

I think you are making a mountain out of molehill here. There are times every child needs their parents to defend them, but this really isn't one of those. Calling for an inquest at the school will achieve nothing. It's no wonder teachers don't have the time to be setting additional work as a punishment instead of telling a child to face a wall when they have to deal with this sort of daftness. Even if your child was not in the wrong in this instance they will forget the whole thing fast enough if you don't make more of a fuss than you already have.

It is humiliating to the child - why else do it ?

reprazant

tap wrote: »

Jeez it doesn't take long for the Teacher worshipers to come out of the woodwork

So basically, if people don't agree with you they are teacher worshippers? Well, that is a mature attitude.

What was your daughter doing to get taken out of the class? All you have said is that she was laughing. What was she laughing at? Was it disruptive to the class? In what way did the year head lie to you on the phone?

Teyla Emmagan

marienbad wrote: »

It is humiliating to the child - why else do it ?

So that you can continue teaching the class without distraction, maybe?

marienbad

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

So that you can continue teaching the class without distraction, maybe?

So why make the child face the wall ?

spurious

While admittedly we only have one side of the story here, I don't think making a child face the wall is an appropriate thing to do when they have been put into your class for something that happened in another class, let alone something which had happened the previous day.

Facing the wall is a very odd thing to make a child do - were they also distracting the class they had been put into?

Regardless I suppose, I think it's a very strange sort of punishment in this day and age. I wouldn't get away with it if I tried it in the school I work in.

tap

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Someone else said it was humiliating to the child, which I disagree with.

I think you are making a mountain out of molehill here. There are times every child needs their parents to defend them, but this really isn't one of those. Calling for an inquest at the school will achieve nothing. It's no wonder teachers don't have the time to be setting additional work as a punishment instead of telling a child to face a wall when they have to deal with this sort of daftness. Even if your child was not in the wrong in this instance they will forget the whole thing fast enough if you don't make more of a fuss than you already have.

calling for inquest lol

gorrillafrier

Teachers have a hard enough job without having to deal with unruly students. Students who are in class to learn should be given every chance without having to put up with other attention seekers who won't accept their punishment and then get their parents to come in and defend them.
Young students are not fully grown adults yet, if they were, would their parents be coming into the teacher to defend their child.

listermint

marienbad wrote: »

It is humiliating to the child - why else do it ?

There is a stark difference between humiliation and embarassing. Do you write for the Enquirer or the daily mail by any chance ???