Bayonetta 2

Banjo

wes wrote: »

Again, to use the horror film example, it would be equivalent to a review complaining that a horror film, was far to scary. That is the way I view it.

Only if the main draw is the fan-dance aspect of the reward structure rather than the gameplay itself. Which it doesn't seem to be.

It would be more like complaining that, say, a "horror" movie like Cabin In The Woods or Army Of Darkness wasn't scary enough, which would be missing the entire point of the film in both cases. (Assuming, as I said, that the tease is the game, and everything else is set dressing). When I buy a game I expect a game first and foremost. If other aspects of the experience take away from the fun of playing the game then I would consider it a lesser game. Clearly that was the case for this reviewer.

You keep asking "what did he expect?" Well clearly he expected less overtly sexual content! I'm all for women in games being more "empowered" but given the footage I've seen of both games I really don't see this as empowerment of women, it looks like just another male fantasy figure being paraded around for male gratification. There's a case to be made for her owning her sexuality etc etc but really, they've just flipped the usual girl-in-game trope from sub to dom. I think the world needs a flood of female characters who's characters can be defined in ways that have nothing at all to do with what's in their pants before someone like Bayonetta can be viewed entirely positively.

Anyway, I grow weary of these disagreements. I'm just going to play the bloody thing

gizmo

blag wrote: »

I hope it didn't always mean that, I've recommended Hyrule Warriors on the basis of great fan service, god only knows what they're expecting.....:pac:

Hopefully not what I just saw after googling for Link fan service.

Zelda fan service was surprisingly less odd.

wes

Banjo wrote: »

You keep asking "what did he expect?" Well clearly he expected less overtly sexual content!

Well, clearly he didn't look at any trailers, previews, interviews etc, as there was 0 indication of it being toned down from the first game........

CastorTroy

Will be curious to see the metacritic User rating after release. I'd say a lot of ones who still have trouble understanding why it's on Wii U and not a Sony or MS console will post negative reviews. Didn't that happen with Call of Duty or Battlefield where people just posted negative reviews out of spite?

johnny_ultimate

Metacritic user reviews are only useful in laying testament to the sheer level of ignorance and narrow mindedness of certain sections of the gaming community. Even when there isn't a hate or hyperbole campaign raging, it's the rare user review that is worth the precious kilobytes of bandwidth.

blag

The first print edition is back for pre order at Game UK.

Banjo

No matter how well written a Metacritic user review might be, and they usually aren't, the biggest problem I have with them is that it's very difficult to develop the kind of trust you would have in professional reviewers - you don't get the same exposure to individual users' opinions, see how often you agree with them or disagree, and why, so you can approach their reviews with from a more informed position.

Played the demo last night. It's fast, it's furious and while there's plenty of skin on show there isn't a lot of time to notice it (and it's so far away in the distance, at least in OffTV play), but I imagine a lot of that is because I'm using the same combos over and over again, and not carrying off the big moves. The opening tracking shot is shameful. I watched it 3 times to make sure If that's the starting point, and it can only go downhill from there, I can see how it might be offputting. The pace and scale of that demo though.... christ! I think I'll suffer through the cut-scenes. Pre-Order is staying preordered.

sniper_samurai

blag wrote: »

The first print edition is back for pre order at Game UK.

Must be open again to fill cancelled orders, grab it immediately as it probably won't be up for long.

panevthe3rd

blag wrote: »

The first print edition is back for pre order at Game UK.

Just got it there. Don't want to be waiting the extra few days but I'll get over it. Thanks for the heads up.

sniper_samurai

The Bayonetta anime film has passed bbfc uncut with an 18s rating.

Xenji

sniper_samurai wrote: »

The Bayonetta anime film has passed bbfc uncut with an 18s rating.

Bloody Fate is very mediocre, with very dated animation in places and sloppy CGI in others, the fanservice is laughable and they story is comprised of fight after fight, still though I have seen far worse.

sniper_samurai

Xenji wrote: »

Bloody Fate is very mediocre, with very dated animation in places and sloppy CGI in others, the fanservice is laughable and they story is comprised of fight after fight, still though I have seen far worse.

Agreed, just thought I'd post it incase anyone was interested.

COYVB

wes wrote: »

Well, clearly he didn't look at any trailers, previews, interviews etc, as there was 0 indication of it being toned down from the first game........

Or maybe he did and he thought it was too much?

wes

COYVB wrote: »

Or maybe he did and he thought it was too much?

Him and him alone apparently, no other reviewer seem to have that issue. Now he is welcome to his opinion, and I am welcome to find it amusing.

johnny_ultimate

Leigh Alexander's take on it conforms closely and articulates elegantly what I feel about the whole thing: http://leighalexander.net/bayonetta-two/

To prohibit a character like Bayonetta, and rush to cover her up in disapproval, is a rejection of her particular brand of femininity. Why do that? Because she makes men uncomfortable? If men feel uncomfortable with Bayonetta, maybe that means she succeeds.
As a woman, I haven’t often been satisfied by female character options that effectively boil down to “the same thing as a man, just with breasts and a ponytail.” Thanks to its innovative approach to the idea of female power, Bayonetta is the first action game heroine that’s made me directly conscious of how cool it is to be a girl.
I already know that women can do all the same things men can. This time, I get to see a woman do plenty of things men can’t. And I love it.

I think it is unfair to dismiss those who don't like it - because, one way or the other, there is wild hypersexualisation in the game. But definitely I think Bayonetta is rich enough a 'text' that it can be easily defended as something more than a mindless, creepy further example of a dominant trope.

super_furry

Two things Bayonetta 2 has done - really made me give serious thought to buying a Wii U and further piqued my interest in Scalebound, the next Platinum game.

K.O.Kiki

Retr0gamer

Stay away from my Waifu!

richymcdermott

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Stay away from my Waifu!

thought the librarian in persona 3 was your true love ? :L

Retr0gamer

richymcdermott wrote: »

thought the librarian in persona 3 was your true love ? :L

Ho's in different area co.... videogame series.

Did anybody pick it up on here? Does anybody have any feedback on how the game plays?

Retr0gamer

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Did anybody pick it up on here? Does anybody have any feedback on how the game plays?

It's not out for a week but the Demo was pretty damn amazing. If you liked the first game or games like Devil May Cry 3 then it's a no brainer.

murphyebass

You know what I love? I love that the Wii U constantly gets called last gen in terms of graphical power and then this comes out.

So far what I've seen from Bayonetta 2 it looks absolutely FANTASTIC, just as good if not better than a lot of other current gen games.


That said I think I'll probably just pack it up along with Smash Bros for xmas to be honest as I'm knee deep in Destiny at the moment. It'll easily take up my life until xmas. I'm level 19 now. So close to 20. Tonights the night!.... Then I'm lost. lol.

richymcdermott

murphyebass wrote: »

You know what I love? I love that the Wii U constantly gets called last gen in terms of graphical power and then this comes out.

So far what I've seen from Bayonetta 2 it looks absolutely FANTASTIC, just as good if not better than a lot of other current gen games.


That said I think I'll probably just pack it up along with Smash Bros for xmas to be honest as I'm knee deep in Destiny at the moment. It'll easily take up my life until xmas. I'm level 19 now. So close to 20. Tonights the night!.... Then I'm lost. lol.

the internet could call the wii u all the names in the book and it would not matter , the wii u is still the best console to own out of the three , next year ill be no different. Nintendo are just knocking it out of the park with quality games.

Randall Floyd

Pre-ordered the special edition today, don't even own a Wii U :pac:

evad_lhorg

This surely won't stay exclusive.....

richymcdermott

evad_lhorg wrote: »

This surely won't stay exclusive.....

Its up to nintendo whether they want it to go multiplat since they funded the game

sniper_samurai

richymcdermott wrote: »

Its up to nintendo whether they want it to go multiplat since they funded the game

As Kamiya put it, why don't you ask Nintendo to port Mario and Zelda while you're at it.

murphyebass

evad_lhorg wrote: »

This surely won't stay exclusive.....

Not a hope.

Kinda nice as a Wii U owner to having bragging rights on such a top title too.

1st one was fantastic and this one looks even better. Completely over the top madness.

As much as I'm enjoying Destiny at the minute on PS4 the Wii U has definitely taken the bulk of my gaming time in the past 12 months. It's going to win the Xmas war for me too.

sniper_samurai

Warning for anyone who has ordered Bayonetta 2 from Game.

Game will be taking payment for the preorders on Monday, due to high demand. The game will not be dispatched until later in the week to arrive by Friday for UK orders.

gizmo

sniper_samurai wrote: »

Warning for anyone who has ordered Bayonetta 2 from Game.

Game will be taking payment for the preorders on Monday, due to high demand. The game will not be dispatched until later in the week to arrive by Friday for UK orders.

Yup, just got the email now.

Randall Floyd

High demand? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Banjo

sniper_samurai wrote: »

As Kamiya put it, why don't you ask Nintendo to port Mario and Zelda while you're at it.

But it could be multiplatform....

Just not the way they want it to be

RE: Below - there may have been a lot of order migration following BayonettaGate on Amazon.

super_furry

Randall Floyd wrote: »

High demand? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Probably higher than expected coupled with low orders from Game's buyers.

gizmo

Randall Floyd wrote: »

High demand? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Not too hard to believe when you factor in them having exclusive rights to the First Print Edition in the UK which is completely sold out. That's 15,300 orders straight off nevermind the additional orders for the Solus and Special Edition versions.

sniper_samurai

Randall Floyd wrote: »

High demand? I find that extremely hard to believe.

Don't forget the Game website is the ONLY place outside a small batch on Nintendos website stocking the 15,300 copies of the First Print edition, which sold out within 48 hours. Then add that to the number of people who ordered the special and solus editions could end up running to 40,000+ copies sold on the website alone.

Randall Floyd

I just tend to associate high demand with walking into a shop on release day and being told they'd sold out.

sniper_samurai

Randall Floyd wrote: »

I just tend to associate high demand with walking into a shop on release day and being told they'd sold out.

That just means demand is outstripping supply. By that logic there wasn't high demand for GTA V despite selling over 1 million copies at launch because it was widely available on release day without a preorder.

tinodz

Loads of stock in Argos around the county right now...



Seems a tad early?

sniper_samurai

tinodz wrote: »

Loads of stock in Argos around the county right now...



Seems a tad early?

Yup looks like they have broken release. Price is a bit high seeing as you get both Bayonetta games from the e-store for an extra Euro.

tinodz

So, I went to Argos to check what was happening.

I gave them my reserve number, and they brought the game out from the back (I saw it). The checkout girl was chit chatting about stuff happy to take my money, but the final scan at checkout put up a red flag on their system and would not let the sale go through. She said sorry, and tried some trick to get past the block, but still no luck. They asked if I wanted to extend my reservation, but I said no (as I will likely get the game cheaper elsewhere on please day).

I guess I am looking at Football tonight then.

CastorTroy

Oooh, so close. Did she let you touch it? Was it the special edition?

Aidonin

Most shops have no idea what they're going to be selling this at (the special edition with both games). Gamestop gave me "an estimate" of 69.99 (seems likely) and Smyths don't even have it on their system yet.

Gunmonkey

I got quoted €60 for solo and €80 for the double pack from Gamestop. Went with Amazon as it was only 60 with free shipping, wont arrive till next week but oh well,, have tons of Hyrule Warriors to plow through till then.

gizmo

Dispatch email from ShopTo...

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooon. :pac:

Aidonin

Dispatched from Amazon

panevthe3rd

First print version dispatched from game yesterday!

CastorTroy

Aidonin wrote: »

Dispatched from Amazon

Super Saver?
Looks like I have to wait til Tuesday since not dispatched today

sniper_samurai

panevthe3rd wrote: »

First print version dispatched from game yesterday!

Same, still haven't been charged for it though which is odd.

Aidonin

CastorTroy wrote: »

Super Saver?
Looks like I have to wait til Tuesday since not dispatched today

I signed up for the prime trial for 30 days, so it's next day delivery. I'm using parcel motel aswell, so it should be here by sat.