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How To Be a Woman

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    #32
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Morag


    It's a comedic book about her growing up into a woman, the weird things the rites of passage and the things women don't talk about.


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    #33
    Fox McCloud
    Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭Fox McCloud


    I dont see whats wrong with opening up discussion on why women go through a lot of discomfort for looking good.
    Its not necessarily saying that if you do conform you're stupid, its making us think about things that we might otherwise just do because everyone else does. By considering WHY we want to wax or wear high heels and where our main style messages come from.. we then get to make informed decisions about what we do to our bodies and most importantly where we spend our hard earned cash.

    From what I get from the first video, she seems to be offering her alternative to the norm and explaining why she does things her way.


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    #34
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,451 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I got the book for my oldest daughter last Christmas because its the kind of book she would like and her opinion was that the book was brilliant.


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    #35
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    I read a review of it - she told her daughters at a young age about "the patriarchy" and they dressed up as suffragettes for a recent fancy-dress party... :confused:
    That to me seems too extreme a message to pass to young kids.


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    #36
    Morag
    Registered Users Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Morag


    they dressed up as suffragettes for a recent fancy-dress party

    Dressing up as shin kickers and window breakers, why not :)


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    #37
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    Oh my god that video is annoying. If she's all for choice, what's with the sly digs at women who choose to wax? "Oh, at least I don't look like a child". Hate that attitude.
    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    I have a question for Caitlin Moran. "Why do you have hair that makes you look like a skunk?"
    .

    you give out about her having a dig at some women, and then take a dig at her! I won't go into my opinions on waxing, but you can't deny that a full wax makes a woman look childlike again in that area. Now there might be a million other reasons why a person chooses to wax, but the end result is that their lady bits look more child like after.


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    #38
    xDramaxQueenx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭xDramaxQueenx


    dearg lady wrote: »
    you give out about her having a dig at some women, and then take a dig at her! I won't go into my opinions on waxing, but you can't deny that a full wax makes a woman look childlike again in that area. Now there might be a million other reasons why a person chooses to wax, but the end result is that their lady bits look more child like after.

    i don't know what kind of children you're looking at tbh, but no. I would disagree. It's not an area that should "look" a specfic way anyway. Why does everybody get so bent out of shape about this? Its an intimate area, there isn't any sort of inspection carried out. Its personal preference. I hate body hair, I'm not exactly hairy, but I wax my arms, so as I dont have those horrible little blonde hairs. I wax my legs. Does that mean I have childlike arms and legs?


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    #39
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    i don't know what kind of children you're looking at tbh, but no. I would disagree.

    just the standard model! :)


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    #40
    Motorist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    Emer O'Toole knows what it is to be a woman.

    http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/article-2139473-12EBCC51000005DC-747_634x507.jpg


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    #41
    xDramaxQueenx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭xDramaxQueenx


    dearg lady wrote: »
    just the standard model! :)

    Well personally, if being groomed means I look "child-like" I'd take that over looking unkempt.


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    #42
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    Well personally, if being groomed means I look "child-like" I'd take that over looking unkempt.

    ah, so many sly digs! People still groom themselves but don't go the whole hog as it were.


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    #43
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    anyway, sorry, getting off topic! I haven't read the book. The videos wouldn't really endear me to her... she's a bit too hyper, and kind of irritating for me.


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    #44
    xDramaxQueenx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭xDramaxQueenx


    dearg lady wrote: »
    ah, so many sly digs! People still groom themselves but don't go the whole hog as it were.

    But why does it matter? If somebody is comfortable with having a full bikini, thats their own business. Equally, if someone is more comfortable waxing absolutely everything, that should be up to them. Its body hair. I don't understand why people who remove body hair from other areas get so judgemental about hair removal on one specfic area.


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    #45
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    But why does it matter? If somebody is comfortable with having a full bikini, thats their own business. Equally, if someone is more comfortable waxing absolutely everything, that should be up to them. Its body hair. I don't understand why people who remove body hair from other areas get so judgemental about hair removal on one specfic area.

    it doesn't matter. I'm not judging anyone. I haven't even said what my personal preferences are! I'm just saying that what was said about it appearing more childlike is true.


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    #46
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Not everybody likes the same stuff and now they are not supposed to voice their opinion because some sensitive soul feels threatened about their body hair or wearing high heels? It's just an opinion and I don't know why should everybody conform to the same beauty standards or at least shouldn't criticise them.


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    #47
    xDramaxQueenx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭xDramaxQueenx


    Well in that case I am merely stating that removing hair from any area can make the area appear childlike.


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    #48
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    Well in that case I am merely stating that removing hair from any area can make the area appear childlike.

    and that's entirely true too. so you've changed your mind on what Caitlin says and now agree with her?


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    #49
    rainbow kirby
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 26,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Back on topic, if ye want to start another thread about hair removal go ahead.


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    #50
    dearg lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭dearg lady


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    Back on topic, if ye want to start another thread about hair removal go ahead.

    Sorry for going OT, I just can't help but question people contradicting themselves! I'll go back in me box, I haven't even read the book :)


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    #51
    Kimia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    I quite liked her. I'm not sure if I'd agree with everything she says but I find her comments interesting.

    I also found Drama Queen's dig at her a bit ironic. Asking why she looks like a skunk - was getting that personal really necessary?


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    #52
    Squ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭Squ


    xDramaxQueenx wrote: »
    dearg lady wrote: »
    you give out about her having a dig at some women, and then take a dig at her! I won't go into my opinions on waxing, but you can't deny that a full wax makes a woman look childlike again in that area. Now there might be a million other reasons why a person chooses to wax, but the end result is that their lady bits look more child like after.

    i don't know what kind of children you're looking at tbh, but no. I would disagree. It's not an area that should "look" a specfic way anyway. Why does everybody get so bent out of shape about this? Its an intimate area, there isn't any sort of inspection carried out. Its personal preference. I hate body hair, I'm not exactly hairy, but I wax my arms, so as I dont have those horrible little blonde hairs. I wax my legs. Does that mean I have childlike arms and legs?
    And dont forget pits..


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    #53
    flowerchild
    Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭flowerchild


    Kimia wrote: »
    I quite liked her. I'm not sure if I'd agree with everything she says but I find her comments interesting.

    I also found Drama Queen's dig at her a bit ironic. Asking why she looks like a skunk - was getting that personal really necessary?

    I think the dig was over the top.

    I found it hard to watch the videos because the synching of audio was so bad but her line is cool.

    I think that talking about how to be a woman, the choices we make and don't make, and why, is interesting.


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    #54
    Sleepy
    Registered Users Posts: 24,196 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Wouldn't it be great if women were less worried about being the kind of woman [the media / men / other women / feminists / insert whatever group you like] want them to be and were more concerned with just discovering who they are and being the kind of woman they themselves want to be?


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    #55
    wicklori
    Registered Users Posts: 299 ✭✭wicklori


    I'm not finished the book-finding it slow reading....
    BUT... I do finds parts of it funny-in the "I though it was only me that ever thought that" kinda way? When she's talking about waxing it is very funny! She's not really saying wax/don't wax she's asking why women would feel the desire to suffer such pain-hence the heels, plucking, waxing references. She's asking the question "where do we get our ideas about what it is to look good".... It's obviously personal choice if a woman wants to wax/wear heels/pluck eyebrows, but that wasn't what she was talking about.
    Her point was more around the idea of doing these things to look good-not because it's more comfortable, hygenic, taller, improves vision.....


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