Herald Says "best fans in the world" a myth * Mod Note #53 *

monkey9

dfx- wrote: »

Well if you can't attract the latent Pats fans who don't regularly go, then why would anyone else go?

Well for a start, there was a great crowd in the 'home' stand last night. You seem to think i'm on a LOI crusade.

I'm calling out all the football fans in this country who make excuses as to why they don't go to football matches in this country. Thursday night, their excuses were extinguished!

Yet, they came out with more, i.e Michael Phelps was swimming and there was some archery on.

Pedro K

niallo27 wrote: »

Why the **** should i give a bollox about Pats, they mean nothing to me.

Why should you (not you specifically, but those who referred to the Olympics as a possible reason for the lacklustre attendance) give a bollox about John Joe Nevin (or insert any Olympic athlete here, Irish or not), he (she or they) means nothing to you.

niallo27

monkey9 wrote: »

Surely Barcelona means nothing to you, but would you make an effort to see them play a Europa League game in your own city?

Well Man city are playing tommorrow 10 mins from where i live but i wont be going to see them as i dont support limerick or city.

darced

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niallo27

Pedro K wrote: »

Why should you (not you specifically, but those who referred to the Olympics as a possible reason for the lacklustre attendance) give a bollox about John Joe Nevin (or insert any Olympic athlete here, Irish or not), he (she or they) means nothing to you.

The attendance was poor because people dont care about LOI football and german sides are not a big draw to most irish people, i dont think the olympics had any factor in this.

Mushy

darced wrote: »

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Its people making excuses week in week out. May not be refined to dublin, thats even more irrelevant.

monkey9

niallo27 wrote: »

Well Man city are playing tommorrow 10 mins from where i live but i wont be going to see them as i dont support limerick or city.

Fair enough. You just watch it on the telly!

How many actual Pats fans are there?

Surely it's a poor turnout by them and not all irish fans?

Terrible journalism from a rag of a paper no better than the sun.

monkey9

I have to say though, in fairness, Eastenders was on!!!

Watch Hannover 96? No way, Archery is on? Will Team GB do something?? Go Team GB, go!!!

Augmerson

eagle eye wrote: »

As regards the LoI and all this stuff that goes on here and that rubbish article.

If you have a product that you want to sell its up to you to sell it. Its not a case of saying that people won't give it a chance or anything like that. You have to go out and make people want to buy your product.

What appealed to you to buy the product that Blackburn Rovers are selling?

eagle eye

Augmerson wrote: »

What appealed to you to buy the product that Blackburn Rovers are selling?

My Uncle played for them in the 60s and then Frank Stapleton who I knew for many years joined them.

Madworld

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I'm a life long United fan. My father was too and so was his and so forth.

And ultimately, I couldn't care less what others think of my choice of football support. I don't care that Liverpool or City fans don't like I'm a United fan, so I certainly don't care that some LOI goers think they are superior to me cause they support an Irish team.

Ultimately football should be about personal enjoyment and watching what you want to watch how you want to watch it. I have no intentions of letting others tell me who I should or should not support; I can make my own mind up on that. Likewise, you can watch whatever you want and I won't criticise you and your choices.

Let me watch the football which makes me happy. And I'll let you watch the football that makes you happy. But don't expect me to watch football simply to appease you.

Do you support the English national team? Surely there must be more "enjoyment" watching their superior players.

niallo27

monkey9 wrote: »

Fair enough. You just watch it on the telly!

No hardly will its a pointless friendly, i'd only travel to see liverpool play or clare in the hurling.

niallo27

Madworld wrote: »

Do you support the English national team? Surely there must be more "enjoyment" watching their superior players.

Sure why do you give a **** who he supports.

Madworld

I don't really. I'm having a debate on a football forum.

Btw paranoid much?

niallo27

Madworld wrote: »

I don't really. I'm having a debate on a football forum.

Btw paranoid much

How am i paranoid you werent talking about me.:D;):rolleyes::mad::eek::o:rolleyes::):confused:

Professional Griefer

monkey9 wrote: »

Nobody here needs to justify why they support the club they do. But this is the soccer forum and people here are saying they'd rather sit at home watching archery on tv rather than go see a top Bundesliga team play in their own city in a Europa League tie. (obviously anyone who doesn't live in Dublin, that's fair enough if they don't go.)

People are posting stuff like this on the soccer forum!! Madness!

No one said that at all.

LuckyLloyd

monkey9 wrote: »

Nobody here needs to justify why they support the club they do. But this is the soccer forum and people here are saying they'd rather sit at home watching archery on tv rather than go see a top Bundesliga team play in their own city in a Europa League tie. (obviously anyone who doesn't live in Dublin, that's fair enough if they don't go.)

People are posting stuff like this on the soccer forum!! Madness!

trolllolololllllll

STRAWMAN

Richard Hillman

This thread makes me embarrassed to follow LOI football. It would actually turn myself off the LOI ffs and thats from somebody who has been following the league intently since the old Sunday sport on RTE days.

People just have to accept, we have a rubbish league. Everything is half assed about it. The players dont give a toss, the officials are corrupt, the managers are like used car sales men and the people running the clubs couldnt run a church raffle. If i didnt support a certain club, theres not a chance in hell i would waste 15 euro in to see it. Yes i would keep up to date with it, but attending? not a chance. Why would anyone who isnt attached to a club actually pay to go to see it?

Then there is "football fan culture" :pac: A made up phrase to make yourselves feel special. You's are like indie hipsters and you know it will kill you to see the LOI being genuinely popular.

Our league is pants, accept it. It gets the right amount of attendances and media coverage. Stop whinging and just enjoy what we have.

Richard Hillman

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

No one said that at all.

I genuinely would rather stay at home to watch Olympic Archery than pay €15 (plus travel) to see a LOI club getting pumped in the Preliminary round of the UEFA B tournament.

Archery has been thoroughly entertaining over the last week

Xavi6

Richard Hillman wrote: »

This thread makes me embarrassed to follow LOI football. It would actually turn myself off the LOI ffs and thats from somebody who has been following the league intently since the old Sunday sport on RTE days.

People just have to accept, we have a rubbish league. Everything is half assed about it. The players dont give a toss, the officials are corrupt, the managers are like used car sales men and the people running the clubs couldnt run a church raffle. If i didnt support a certain club, theres not a chance in hell i would waste 15 euro in to see it. Yes i would keep up to date with it, but attending? not a chance. Why would anyone who isnt attached to a club actually pay to go to see it?

Then there is "football fan culture" :pac: A made up phrase to make yourselves feel special. You's are like indie hipsters and you know it will kill you to see the LOI being genuinely popular.

Our league is pants, accept it. It gets the right amount of attendances and media coverage. Stop whinging and just enjoy what we have.

Well that's that then, there shouldn't be any effort to improve the league. Just accept shitness and get on it with.

Good attitude.

Al Capwned

Gavin shels wrote: »

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You're not a Utd fan, as someone said on here, Man Utd are now a brand, essentially you are a customer of that brand!

This is completely wrong.

Like the original poster, I am a lifelong United supporter, having supported the club from 1981. I have family connections to Manchester, my uncle lived in Sale till he died in 2002, and was a season ticket holder in Old Trafford up until that time. I have jerseys, programmes, badges, tshirts, scarves, pictures, etc. etc. from the 70's to today. Dozens of my relations still live in the area, Denton, Stockport, Salford, Bolton, Oldham, Warrington....

I am concerned about what is happening at United, financially, player-wise, the emergence of city, are chelsea going to be resurgent this season.

First thing I look for when I pick up a paper, or turn on computer or TV is United related news.

I am proud that I am a United fan, and am proud of my knowledge of the club. (always impressed by others knowledge on here, however)

I go over when I can, not near as often as I want, but if money and children weren't an issue, I'd be over every week.

I am not a customer. I am a supporter. You too are a supporter, but don't judge me, or people like me, because I have an attachment to a club that is not on this island.

:mad:




Edit - I have a passing interest in the Airtricity league, and now always look out for Bohemians results, as my local junior club hosted them in a friendly recently. I can take it or leave it, however, and I should not be judged because of this, same as I would not have an opinion on people that religiously attend LoI games.

Lord TSC

Madworld wrote: »

Do you support the English national team? Surely there must be more "enjoyment" watching their superior players.

I don't support the English national team, in that I don't go looking for news the same way I do the United news. I don't wear English jerseys or go to England games.

But I definitely have more interest in the English team than the Irish one. How can I not? Half the team is made up of United guys. I know far more about the English players than I do the Irish players. So when an English game is on, and Rooney, Welbeck, Young et al are playing, of course I'll be more inclined to watch one of their games.

Does this surprise people? How am I expected to cheer one group of players for 9 months of the year, and be obsessive about news about the team, and then suddenly ignore and turn on them for the other three? :P

8-10

niallo27 wrote: »

How am i paranoid you werent talking about me.:D;):rolleyes::mad::eek::o:rolleyes::):confused:

Looks more like multiple personality than paranoia :pac:

LuckyLloyd

Xavi6 wrote: »

Well that's that then, there shouldn't be any effort to improve the league. Just accept shitness and get on it with.

Good attitude.

Clubs should run themselves better. Stop living beyond their means. Don't bother with a player or two on €500 a week and invest that money in the youth section instead. Become the forces in schoolboy football so that you can have better control over developing talent and achieve a higher standard of football in a more sustainable manner.

Focus on those things imo rather than saying 'until we double our attendances nothing will change, piss, moan".

davocesque

Regarding the OP, the worst cliche in football in surely 'real football'. It actually makes me angry when people call LOI or Lower League UK real football. Whats real about it? whats fake about top level football??

As a former season ticket holder for 2 seasons at a LOI club, i can honestly say i would never buy a season ticket it again. The type of football is unattractive imo, and fair play to the fans of it, they do have passion. But i would like to point out that a HUGE majority of LOI fans are also Celtic fans (in my experience) which is no different to supporting an English club.

I follow real football, which i consider to be leagues i find attractive, so basically La Liga and to a lesser degree the Bundesliga. I also follow Ireland, despite the fact i HATE the football we play, i cant help but love the team, same cant be said about my local LOI team.

CSF

davocesque wrote: »

But i would like to point out that a HUGE majority of LOI fans are also Celtic fans (in my experience) which is no different to supporting an English club.

This is hilarious. Probably funnier than eagleeye saying we should have cancelled Europa League qualifiers til after the olympics.

Francie Barrett

stovelid wrote: »

The majority of the people on this forum are fucking morons when it comes to football, let's be fair.

Stay classy

Francie Barrett

Xavi6 wrote: »

Irish people are event junkies.

Why do you think this is just an Irish thing? There is nothing unique about sports fans turning out to important matches and shunning minor ones.

all this has to be taken into context i went to see cork city play nantes in france a few years ago and it was a lot of fun but the league of irelands quality is incredibly low we are so close to england that any half decent player will be snapped up and given a chance over there leaving us mostly with either very young players or old players who never made it in england.

its great to see st pats get 3000 people out thats a lot of people at the game if you consider the amount of teams in dublin and the standard of the league.

il go to a city game every now and again but loi will never get the same attendances as english clubs because they either get to see world class players week in week out or they have the opportunity to be promoted/bought by a seik and do so. loi football is pretty low standard and always will be simply because we are so close to a football superpower