Herald Says "best fans in the world" a myth * Mod Note #53 *

Helix

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You ****ing people are beyond belief.

They're watching the Olympics because it is ****ing awesome and it happens once every four years. Jesus.

they're watching it because it's hyped up to the balls, and because it's got blanket media coverage. a tiny fraction of a percent of these people have an interest in the sports they're watching. they know who a handful of names are (you guessed it, the media darlings and hype machines) and that's about it. they don't know the rules for half the things they're watching (even though they'll be "experts" for a few days) and if track and field events were shown any other time they'd change the channel in disgust

Lawrence1895

Don't know, but I think, the attendance would have been better, if the match had been played in Richmond. It was not the home ground for Pats in the end

Ferris_Bueller

The LoI/barstooler debate always raises the same points, but the people arguing their point are so 100% sure their opinion is correct that there really is no point in having the debate. I am a LoI fan, but online LoI fans really don't do themselves any favours by going on as if they are superior, we should be trying to encourage others to get down to games or take up a bit of interest in the league rather than slate them for supporting teams from abroad. I really do wish more people followed the league, I don't particularly support any individual club, I am just a fan of Irish football in general from grassroots to LoI to the national team, but at the same time I am still a fan of the EPL because of the higher standard, so I can see the attraction.

Why is it made into such competition? Why can't people just support both? Matches rarely clash and it is very rare for these teams to meet in Europe. I think anyone who doesn't follow a LoI team would be pleasantly surprised if they went to a few games, you could get addicted quite easily, and you can still get your fix of higher quality matches on the telly

Xavi6

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Why is it made into such competition? Why can't people just support both? Matches rarely clash

Matches rarely clash alright but the Olympics does and so do plenty of other sports so there will always be an easier out.

The idea of supporting both is the best that can be hoped for but, just as there a LoI militants, there are plenty of anti LoI heads who wouldn't even entertain that notion.

Bounty Hunter

stovelid wrote: »

Got to love Irish people.

Casually disregarding a foreign club (ranked 65th in 453 European clubs) from one of the top European leagues as 'mid-table'.

It's actually like we have genuinely hallucinated ourselves into a country with one of the 3 top-ranking leagues in Europe.

Unless, of course, Ireland are playing and then we become the plucky alcoholic underdogs clashing swords with countries we **** over in the pub every weekend.

The majority of the people on this forum are fucking morons when it comes to football, let's be fair. It's all playstation stats and recycling pundit cliches - often while the fuckiing match is actually on.

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Ferris_Bueller

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Why is it made into such competition? Why can't people just support both? Matches rarely clash and it is very rare for these teams to meet in Europe. I think anyone who doesn't follow a LoI team would be pleasantly surprised if they went to a few games, could get addicted quite easily, and you can still get your fix of higher quality matches on the telly

He's clearly a Pats fan though, despite saying otherwise...

In all honesty, some great points made. Its rare to see it without venom,snide remarks and a holier than thou attitude. Fair play.

L'prof

I'd be a massive Arsenal fan myself and all my friends from home are very obsessive about their own favourite premier league clubs too. This season (I genuinely don't know why it took so long, some of the lads have gone before) we decided to start going to our local Longford Town games whenever we're home and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I've seen them playing here in Galway this season too.

It's a pity Galway United went bust, I reckon I would have went to see them this season too as one friend is a massive fan. He has no interest in going to see Mervue or SD Galway though, so I've only gone to a couple of their games.

Before now, I thought I wouldn't enjoy the football at all, but I genuinely have. I have to say though, Ive always found reading posts on here from diehard LOI fans very off putting. No, my support will never be good enough in your eyes, I know that much.

Back on topic, best fans in the world? Certainly not, but the fans at the Spain game had the hairs standing up on the back of my neck. Fair play to them.

Helix

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Why can't people just support both?

they can

the problem is that they dont

AgileMyth

batistuta9 wrote: »

and expecting fans of the other LOI clubs to go along is stupid as well i think, not that you said that but some people think they should. Why? you'd hardy expect a load of everton fans to go to the liverpool - gomel game at anfield

I'm a Sligo Rovers fan and I was at it. I happened to be in Dublin on Thursday and, as a football fan, wouldn't turn down the opportunity to go to a Europa League game when it was only across the city.

Nothing to do with supporting LOI in Europe, if I'd been in Belfast and Linfield or someone were playing I'd have gone to that too. I'd have though anyone pronouncing themselves a 'football fan' would do the same.

AgileMyth

L'prof wrote: »

Before now, I thought I wouldn't enjoy the football at all, but I genuinely have. I have to say though, Ive always found reading posts on here from diehard LOI fans very off putting. No, my support will never be good enough in your eyes, I know that much.

You're going to games and want to go to more. Thats a football fan, thats good enough for anyone..

Can't understand how someone would be put off from attending a game based on comments on an internet forum.

You'll be spoilt for choice next year if Galway are back and the Town are back in the premier!

L'prof

AgileMyth wrote: »

You're going to games and want to go to more. Thats a football fan, thats good enough for anyone..

Can't understand how someone would be put off from attending a game based on comments on an internet forum.

You'll be spoilt for choice next year if Galway are back and the Town are back in the premier!

Travelling next year, so I'll have to look up teams in South America, New Zealand, Australia & Asia

It wouldn't put me off going to matches now, but before I'd been, it probably did a bit. I didn't think people would be all that welcoming, but it's not like that at all especially if you know people there.

MRPRO03

What I find funny is the media wanting Irish Athletes to well at the Olympics and yet at the same time ignore an Irish Team that had 18 players that were all Irish that were actually playing in European competition representing Ireland.

Gavin "shels"

monkey9 wrote: »

If Hanover 96 were playing Shels in Tolka, i'd go if i got a ticket.

Irish football fans are lazy bastards. This is a proven fact!

I got a ticket for Thursday, delighted I did, great game of ball and great atmosphere.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Who cares about who has the 'best fans'? It's entirely subjective. I watch football for enjoyment, not so I can feel like I am superior to others. I'm loving the Olympics for what it's worth.

How is this 'proper football' exactly? And if people found entertainment at home rather than at the ground, isn't that the crux of the problem? The lack of entertainment they perceive they will have there in contrast to their own home?

Articles and opinions like this smack of a real inferiority complex. They contain no logic. They bemoan the symptoms of the problem rather than addressing the issue.

So I take it you didn't watch any of the Ireland matches in the Euros or if a match is bad you'll turn it off? You did say you want enjoyment!

How can people address the issue btw?

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I love the superiority complex that some of the LOI fans have in this thread ,

You support a club from Ireland , well lets be having a medal for the lot of you , grow up

Medals? God no, just the ignorance of yourself and the tens of thousands of Oirish to get out and actually support football and help it grow, too much to ask?

eagle eye wrote: »

And all this moaning and saying the Irish people won't go to games is not good enough. If you really love a club you will never talk negatively to or about your potential audience. Get all those guys that come on here to get up off their behinds and do a bit of PR work for their club. Come back to me in a year's time or so and tell me how much things improved because I can guarantee you they will.

I know myself, dreamers, and probably most LoI posters on here to some sort of work with their clubs, PR work costs money, money clubs don't have and money the FAI won't issue.

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I'm a life long United fan. My father was too and so was his and so forth.

And ultimately, I couldn't care less what others think of my choice of football support. I don't care that Liverpool or City fans don't like I'm a United fan, so I certainly don't care that some LOI goers think they are superior to me cause they support an Irish team.

Ultimately football should be about personal enjoyment and watching what you want to watch how you want to watch it. I have no intentions of letting others tell me who I should or should not support; I can make my own mind up on that. Likewise, you can watch whatever you want and I won't criticise you and your choices.

Let me watch the football which makes me happy. And I'll let you watch the football that makes you happy. But don't expect me to watch football simply to appease you.

Firstly your argument is crap, I'll bet you that your great granddad was a LoI fan, everyone in Ireland was because there was no Man Utds, etc... on TV!

You're not a Utd fan, as someone said on here, Man Utd are now a brand, essentially you are a customer of that brand!

I'm not superior because I go to matches in Ireland, I'm simply a football fan who attends matches, both Shels and other football matches.

Football is more than about enjoyment, it's part of it yes, but pride and passion for the side you support is a good chunk of why people go to matches. Ever see the attendances at 4th Divsion German matches or 5th Division Polish ones? They'd be on par to Shamrock Rovers/Cork City attendences, in their thousands for a standard of football that is dire!

And why can't Irish people be like the Swedes? Support their English sides but still support their local side without a both. LoI is generally Friday evening, EPL is Saturday/Sunday, why can't you and the rest of the nation do both?

jarvis wrote: »

I would have thought Pats had more than 4,000 supporters!!! I'm a bit shocked to see that's all they have! It's sad really, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Seriously? There wasn't 4,000 Pats fans their, about 800 were Hannover and their was plenty of neutrals there.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Like it or lump it, football is a form of entertainment.

So you didn't bother watching Ireland at the Euros?

Leiva wrote: »

First the Premier League.
Then the GAA.
Then the national team.
Now the Olympics

All the excuses barstoolers give for not going to a match! :rolleyes:

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I am a LoI fan, but online LoI fans really don't do themselves any favours by going on as if they are superior,

Sticks and stones...

AgileMyth wrote: »

Nothing to do with supporting LOI in Europe, if I'd been in Belfast and Linfield or someone were playing I'd have gone to that too. I'd have though anyone pronouncing themselves a 'football fan' would do the same.

This exactly, we're not "superior" we're football fans, we go to matches no matter who's playing!

Gavin "shels"

MRPRO03 wrote: »

What I find funny is the media wanting Irish Athletes to well at the Olympics and yet at the same time ignore an Irish Team that had 18 players that were all Irish that were actually playing in European competition representing Ireland.

EVENT.......JUNKIESSSSSSSSSSSS!

dan1895

L'prof wrote: »

I'd be a massive Arsenal fan myself and all my friends from home are very obsessive about their own favourite premier league clubs too. This season (I genuinely don't know why it took so long, some of the lads have gone before) we decided to start going to our local Longford Town games whenever we're home and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I've seen them playing here in Galway this season too.

It's a pity Galway United went bust, I reckon I would have went to see them this season too as one friend is a massive fan. He has no interest in going to see Mervue or SD Galway though, so I've only gone to a couple of their games.

Before now, I thought I wouldn't enjoy the football at all, but I genuinely have. I have to say though, Ive always found reading posts on here from diehard LOI fans very off putting. No, my support will never be good enough in your eyes, I know that much.

Back on topic, best fans in the world? Certainly not, but the fans at the Spain game had the hairs standing up on the back of my neck. Fair play to them.

Its people like yourself that would probably be most welcome and most needed. If more people attended games even on an occaisional basis we'd be in much better shape as a league.

Lord TSC

You're not a Utd fan, as someone said on here, Man Utd are now a brand, essentially you are a customer of that brand!

I'm not superior because I go to matches in Ireland, I'm simply a football fan who attends matches, both Shels and other football matches.

Love the double standards here. "You're not a fan cause of who you support, but I am a fan cause of who I support". This the elitism that people have been giving out about. For some reason, I am seen as "not a fan" because of who I follow, as if the word "fan" should be reserved for someone who sees themselves as superior than others cause they support an Irish team.

Football is more than about enjoyment, it's part of it yes, but pride and passion for the side you support is a good chunk of why people go to matches.

You act as if I have no pride and passion or something. I enjoy United games BECAUSE I have pride and passion as a fan of the team. I live and I die with them. When it looked like we were going to going to win the title last season on the last day, I was dancing with pride and I was devastated when City won it in the dying seconds. That pride and passion is why I find so much enjoyment in watching them play. Once again, the elitism stinks; its as if you're implying I couldn't possibly have pride and passion in United despite being a fan for 25 years.

to reiterate something I said earlier, I have no problems with people who choose to follow LOI teams. Fair play to you, and I'm thrilled if you enjoy the games, and support the teams in a great way. I'm not going to tell you what to enjoy, so why do people get snarky because of what others enjoy?

Ever see the attendances at 4th Divsion German matches or 5th Division Polish ones? They'd be on par to Shamrock Rovers/Cork City attendences, in their thousands for a standard of football that is dire!

And why can't Irish people be like the Swedes? Support their English sides but still support their local side without a both. LoI is generally Friday evening, EPL is Saturday/Sunday, why can't you and the rest of the nation do both?

Ok, I'm going to give the main reason I don't like LOI football compared to watching the PL. Part of it is the family thing. Part of it is the desire to avoid the elitism that exists among certain sections of the LOI fanbase (and ultimately, stupid arguments like this is a reason why I'm so inclned not to bother giving such games a try...)

But honestly? I just find the quality is too inferior compared to the PL. I know that's a money thing, but I find it's like deciding not to watch The Avengers in the cinema cause a local lad has recorded a short film on his iPhone. I can enjoy the lower budget stuff from time to time, but I enjoy the spectacle, the quality and the excitment of the PL far more. I'm sure if I had been following LOI football since I was a kid like I have the PL, I'd be more inclined to argue the other side, but I haven't. And after 25 years of watching the PL, I can't be bothered sitting through the inferior Irish leagues.

See, I don't buy blind patriotism or supporting a side simply cause they are near by. You birth place is accidental and shouldn't be a factor which forces someone to follow a team. Again, fair play if you follow your local LOI side and enjoy their football. But I'm not going to sit through football which bores the ass off me just to appease others or out of some blind sense of patriotism.

Ferris_Bueller

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Ok, I'm going to give the main reason I don't like LOI football compared to watching the PL. Part of it is the family thing. Part of it is the desire to avoid the elitism that exists among certain sections of the LOI fanbase (and ultimately, stupid arguments like this is a reason why I'm so inclned not to bother giving such games a try...)

But honestly? I just find the quality is too inferior compared to the PL. I know that's a money thing, but I find it's like deciding not to watch The Avengers in the cinema cause a local lad has recorded a short film on his iPhone. I can enjoy the lower budget stuff from time to time, but I enjoy the spectacle, the quality and the excitment of the PL far more. I'm sure if I had been following LOI football since I was a kid like I have the PL, I'd be more inclined to argue the other side, but I haven't. And after 25 years of watching the PL, I can't be bothered sitting through the inferior Irish leagues.

See, I don't buy blind patriotism or supporting a side simply cause they are near by. You birth place is accidental and shouldn't be a factor which forces someone to follow a team. Again, fair play if you follow your local LOI side and enjoy their football. But I'm not going to sit through football which bores the ass off me just to appease others or out of some blind sense of patriotism.

Okay, but don't compare them, as has been pointed out they don't clash so therefore it isn't a direct choice.

LoI fans are always going to speak about the "pride and passion" and the "excitement" of being there every step of the way, they are right. EPL fans are always going to speak of the superior quality matches/teams/players, they are also right. But what both parties don't seem to realise is that there is elements of both arguments in both situations.

A man who has supported Liverpool for 20 years is going to feel passionate watching them play in a final or a big game, damn right, if it means so much to him he has every right to. Also, there are quality games and good players in the LoI, obviously not as much as there is in the EPL (worlds biggest league) but if you give it a chance there are some teams who play some cracking football and some extremely entertaining games, probably the best games I have ever been to have been LoI matches.

Lord TSC

And again I say, if you feel that way, fair play to you. But I don't. I've tried watching a few LOI games over the last year, and only one managed to hold my interest for 90 minutes. The others just bored me, and no ammount of you telling me it can be exciting is going to change the fact that my eyes are saying otherwise. That doesn't make me less a fan or you more of a football fan. It means we have different tastes.

Okay, but don't compare them, as has been pointed out they don't clash so therefore it isn't a direct choice.

I've yet to see anyone argue the reason they don't watch LOI games is cause they clash, time wise, with PL games. But it's impossible not to compare them in terms of quality....

Mushy

Teamshadow wrote:

Ok, I'm going to give the main reason I don't like LOI football compared to watching the PL. Part of it is the family thing. Part of it is the desire to avoid the elitism that exists among certain sections of the LOI fanbase (and ultimately, stupid arguments like this is a reason why I'm so inclned not to bother giving such games a try...)

But honestly? I just find the quality is too inferior compared to the PL. I know that's a money thing, but I find it's like deciding not to watch The Avengers in the cinema cause a local lad has recorded a short film on his iPhone. I can enjoy the lower budget stuff from time to time, but I enjoy the spectacle, the quality and the excitment of the PL far more. I'm sure if I had been following LOI football since I was a kid like I have the PL, I'd be more inclined to argue the other side, but I haven't. And after 25 years of watching the PL, I can't be bothered sitting through the inferior Irish leagues.

See, I don't buy blind patriotism or supporting a side simply cause they are near by. You birth place is accidental and shouldn't be a factor which forces someone to follow a
team. Again, fair play if you follow your local LOI side and enjoy their football. But I'm not going to sit through football which bores the ass off me just to appease others or out of some blind sense of patriotism.

So you dont like it because of what the people online say?

You do know there is excitement at all levels of foot? The PL is no more exciting for anything, bar the exceptions like last day of season. Fair enough with the quality, but you do see good play and some good players who do make the step up.

You can to matches without supporting any of the teams, just casually. It eventually becomes a little routine, not expensive one too.

That last bit is the infuriating thing for many. You arent being asked to stand and sing, stop supporting another team. Dunno why its so hard for many, bar legit reasons. And yes, there is more the fai can do.

DazMarz

I'm a diehard Chelsea fan. Have been since I was 6 and probably will be til the day I expire. That's just the way it is. I was influenced by my elders who supported them too. I travel over to matches frequently and thoroughly enjoy the whole experience.

Recently, I've gone to a few LOI games. And did thoroughly enjoy the experience. While I myself will probably never be as die-hard or as passionate as many at those games, the whole experience is enjoyable and I had a good bit of fun and got a live football fix.

I was at the St. Pats vs. Hannover game a few days ago and the atmosphere was fúcking electric. Pats fans (and Hannover fans) did themselves proud. The singing, the chanting, the cheering, the drumming... it never stopped for the whole game.

Why did I go to the game??? I'm not a Pats fan, and I probably never will be. I'm not a Hannover fan, and most definitely never will be. I went because it was going to be a bit of craic, there was an Irish team playing against one of the best of Europe, it was a competetive game and because it was happening about a 20 minute drive from where I'm living. I did not go for die hard supporting reasons. I only went to see a game of football and enjoy myself, which I did in spades (in spite of the result; obviously I would have wanted the Irish team to win). Pats also played very well, and were unlucky to lose 0-3. The scoreline did not reflect the play.

I do feel that some LOI fans on here are a bit too militant, but I could draw analogies between LOI fans and fans of heavy metal music (bear with me here, please). Like heavy metal, the LOI is deemed by the general public at large as something that is 'un-sexy'. It is the preserve of an elite few fans and supporters. It is for die-hards. And 'casual' fans are viewed with contempt; passion is to be admired. Lack thereof is to be scorned.

And it is understandable.

Even in other sports, for other clubs... casual fans are scorned. Everyone who goes to games, in the eyes of die-hards, should be equally as die-hard or not be there at all. I have heard this in the GAA too (of which I am a huge supporter; the GAA will always be my first love and my best love). It regularly happens on big matches; it is regularly bemoaned that so many people who go to games such as the All-Ireland Final are just 'spectators'. They have no understanding of what it means to be at an All-Ireland Final. They have no understanding of how some people would die for the jersey, how some people would give their right arm for a ticket to the Final, and yet here they sit, blindly oblivious to what an All-Ireland Final means.

Maybe I'm making a point, maybe I'm not.

But a friend of mine (Mushy) has gotten me into going to games. I'm not going to be a die hard, but I'm going to go to the games as often as I can, and in my opinion, my money that I pay for my ticket is as good as anyone else's. I try to get friends of mine to go too, but they haven't so far, but I'll get em!

It should be a fun, welcoming atmosphere. But as I've experienced in the GAA all too often, the 'dinosaurs' rule the roost in some cases and anyone who is new and who hasn't been there since the time of the immemorial is anathema. It's time for the LOI to expand, to advertise more and to encourage people to come, even if they are only casual fans who are there to watch a game and not give a toss about the larger implications, win-lose-or-draw.

Yes, it is a sad fact that the vast majority of football fans in this country follow teams from England, but that is a fact of life. Thanks in large to Sky Sports, endless hype, huge exposure and huge amounts of advertising, the English Premier League will ALWAYS be sexier, more appealing, more heavily exposed and followed more than the League of Ireland. But that does not mean the League of Ireland cannot grow.
It needs to get exposure too.

What was my main reason for not going to matches at my local LOI club? I simply did not know when their games were. Fact. I wasn't going to go out of my way to find out, I'll admit. But there was no advertising. Apart from a board outside the ground to advertise (and I do not be in the area of the ground very often), there is no advertising (or at least no effective advertising) in local papers, on local radio or anywhere in the local area. I realise this costs money, but you have to spend money to make money. Advertise more, increase exposure and you will get more people to come. Build it, and they will come.

The grassroots network that serves the GAA so well simply does not seem to be there for the LOI. Maybe it is, but I'm a GAA-head so I'm not too sure, but from what I can see, it is not there. But LOI clubs could do something. Maybe appealing to the general public is far too expensive and could prove to be ineffective, but surely to god there is a better chance and a better demographic to appeal to; local, non-professional soccer clubs.

In my local area (North Wicklow) there is an LOI club. Bray Wanderers. I can also name off the top of my head a few local, small soccer clubs: Newtown F.C., St. Anthony's, Newtown Juniors F.C., Rathnew AFC, Enniskerry YC, Glenview FC, Sugarloaf FC, BBK FC, etc. All these clubs are well within striking distance of Bray, and surely Bray Wanderers could do far worse than contacting these clubs and offering them some kind of a group discount for players and to encourage these lads to come en masse to games. Even if only to home games, it would surely give a much needed boost to crowds. And even if it didn't, it would be showing an initiative.

(Note; I don't know, I'm no expert. Maybe this is being done by LOI Clubs, but it should be OFFICIAL contact, from the club's secretary or P.R.O. to respective clubs' secretaries and P.R.O.'s, not just a casual chat down the local. It should be an official invitation, with possibility of discounts to entice more people to come to games.)

It is no secret that the LOI is woefully under-supported, but that can be improved. Maybe I'm wrong in saying this, but I believe it is down to advertising and promotion. Make it seem fun! Make it fun! Make it all inclusive! Push it like FÚCK... if you can attract people in, it's worth it. It takes effort, but nothing worth doing in life is easy. The GAA are absolutely brilliant at promoting their games, but that said, they have a huge budget. But contrarily, clubs can appeal to Croke Park, their provincial and county boards and even to other clubs for help. I do not know if a similar level of co-operation exists in soccer in Ireland. I'm more of a GAA-head, as I've said. But just from taking a perfunctory look at the problems, I am offering what I know in just my limited experience.

And I close with a quote I like a lot: "Why can't we all just get along???"

ArmaniJeanss

eagle eye wrote: »

Now while we are at it. What sort of an idiot booked this game for the middle of the Olympics? I mean thats the sort of stupidity that I'd expect from people involved in this league many years back, I'm talking about those people that made Louis Kilcoyne the FAI president. If they had that before the Olympics started or after it finished I expect they would have at least 500-1000 more at it.

I'm 7 years posting here and I still can't figure out if you are completely hatstand or just an incredible WUM.

monkey9

Nobody here needs to justify why they support the club they do. But this is the soccer forum and people here are saying they'd rather sit at home watching archery on tv rather than go see a top Bundesliga team play in their own city in a Europa League tie. (obviously anyone who doesn't live in Dublin, that's fair enough if they don't go.)

People are posting stuff like this on the soccer forum!! Madness!

monkey9

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I'm 7 years posting here and I still can't figure out if you are completely hatstand or just an incredible WUM.

Hadn't even read that bit you quoted!! I'm just going to assume he's being sarcastic, which i genuinely am sure he is being.

dfx-

applehunter wrote: »

Sad thing is that this was only played in Tallaght and not the Aviva and Pats fans still couldn't fill the place, nevermind non Pats supporters.

Excellent post. Did they only bring 3,000 to Landsdowne for the Derry 4-3 cup-final? If they brought more, where were they?

monkey9

Pat's fans regular attendence is about one and a half thousand. I don't get the point??

darced

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niallo27

Why the **** should i give a bollox about Pats, they mean nothing to me.

dfx-

monkey9 wrote: »

Pat's fans regular attendence is about one and a half thousand. I don't get the point??

Well if you can't attract the latent Pats fans who don't regularly go, then why would anyone else go?

CiaranC

niallo27 wrote: »

Why the **** should i give a bollox about Pats, they mean nothing to me.

Wtf has Pats got to do with it? Hannover 96 were playing a competitive fixture in Dublin, why would a supposed football fan not be interested?

I knock around with a few Irish lads here in Wellington, all of who support British teams. Not one of them have been to see Wellington play. The Kiwi football fans, who also support UK teams, cannot understand it. They claim to be football fans but show no interest in attending football matches. Wellingtons games are packed with ExPats from the UK, Europe and South America who miss football.

Irish plastics just dont have the football culture in them.

monkey9

niallo27 wrote: »

Why the **** should i give a bollox about Pats, they mean nothing to me.

Surely Barcelona means nothing to you, but would you make an effort to see them play a Europa League game in your own city?