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Mr.Saturn

Considering Disney owns Marvel too, we can probably look forward to 2021's Marvel vs Star Wars.

Coming soon to a theatre near you: Mickey Mouse-Jedi Knight.

First 1000 paying customers get a tiny, individually numbered piece of George Lucas's soul to take home and keep.

Steve X2

Deleted User wrote: »

Coming soon to a theatre near you: Mickey Mouse-Jedi Knight.

First 1000 paying customers get a tiny, individually numbered piece of George Lucas's soul to take home and keep.

Is there any left at this stage?

Steve X2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyqlTi7lkhY

You know, i watched the interview through,and all the while he was talking, all i could hear was this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A&feature=player_detailpage#t=15s

Steve X2

Deleted User wrote: »

You know, i watched the interview through,and all the while he was talking, all i could hear was this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A&feature=player_detailpage#t=15s

He needs the cash to complete his transformation into Jabba the Hutt.
As you can see from the video, he's pretty close as it is

DinoRex

Nerdkiller1991

DinoRex wrote: »

They'll probably just give it to Michael Bay to direct it... and it will still be a better option than George Lucas.

Woah, now let's not say things we can't take back just because your childhood was, ahem..."violated."

Hmmm...I'm bored. What should I talk about today...oh right...Episode III > Episode VI.

Now I'm ready for a fight.

DinoRex

Lets not forget the Disney is currently responsible for the excellent Gravity Falls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHm_TuS-KQU

Danonino.

Around 50 seconds in... awesome. I now have a new show to watch

Steve X2

The tech guys lazy Halloween:
Projector+Scary/Creepy vids/animations+white sheet+large top front window = Halloween decorations done.

CiDeRmAn

The further Lucas is from the Star Wars the better the series will be.
Who knows, maybe we'll see an Old Republic trilogy made by a decent script writer/editor/director instead of the incompetent moron who, I believe, is now in debt to African American military personnel after the awful Red Tails, and let's not forget The Crystal Skull and swinging with the monkeys and flying in a fridge.... This man's crimes know no end!

Dr Bob

DinoRex wrote: »

I thought 3 was the worst.

It would be a great move for Disney to turn around now and release the original trilogy as they were originally released but properly cleaned up on BluRay.

sith?
better than "meesa sooooo annyoing" Phantom menace?
I though III was actually the closest to a decent prequel
That and the second half of 'clones.
Each to their own I guess

Dr Bob

So what does the Disney thing mean?
No Fox fanfare at the start of the next starwars film.
A decent writer/director for the next ep?
You could make TDK/DKR nerds implode by starting a rumour that Christopher Nolan is up for it...;)
(or heh a Pixar Star Wars film ,actually that'd be nice)
A section in Kingdom Hearts 6 thats actually of interest to me?
Not sure if it effects the Live action series in production (probably does)
or the 1313 Star Wars game (possible), or SWTOR (unlikely).
It means that Soul Caliber IV probably wont ever end up on Live or PSN
Does my Shadow of the EMpire on n64 go up in value? Probably not!

Myrddin

Dr Bob wrote: »

sith?
better than "meesa sooooo annyoing" Phantom menace?
I though III was actually the closest to a decent prequel
That and the second half of 'clones.
Each to their own I guess

Agreed, how one could find Ep 1 or 2 better than 3 is frankly a testament to the 'each to their own' statement

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

Agreed, how one could find Ep 1 or 2 better than 3 is frankly a testament to the 'each to their own' statement

Which in a lot of cases is just a polite way of saying "you're talking sh1te man". :pac:

Not a massive fan of SW myself, original 3 were cool for sure, but it will be interesting to see what happens with the series if they're planning on releasing a new film every couple of years. Just don't bring back that aul lad Harrison Ford.

Retr0gamer

Dr Bob wrote: »

A section in Kingdom Hearts 6 thats actually of interest to me?

There's so much wrong with that franchise that it will take more than star wars to make it interesting.

DinoRex

Phantom Menace was the only of the prequels that had anything going for it.

Namely Liam Neeson and a cool lightsaber battle at the end. The rest of the film and the entirety of the other films have ZERO to offer.

Well... maybe that strategically torn outfit Natalie Port wears at the end of the second one was good.

Best thing about the prequels is that they gave us the brilliant Mr. Plinkett reviews which are stupidly entertaining.

CiDeRmAn

People are very precious with their idols.
The biggest thing to damage episodes 2 and 3 was Hayden Christinsen, or however you spell his surname.
At no point did we believe this guy was a warrior of awesome power or a conflicted soul.
Do we never invested in the supposed pivot of the whole franchise, the fall and redemption of Skywalker/Vader.
Had that role been properly cast, it would have been a far better series of prequels.

DinoRex

Don't really blame Hayden at all. He did what he could with the crap dialogue he was given.

There is absolutely no good way to deliver the line:

'I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth.'

The films are just so poorly written and directed that you have all these pretty good actors just sounding awful.

One of the biggest crimes was when Genndy Tartakovsky actually made Star Wars cool again with the Clone Wars cartoon series. He did such an amazing job on building up the character of General Grievous as a serious threat only for Lucas to go and wipe his arse with all that hard work in the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4

Myrddin

Hipsters in hating mainstream popular film shocker

CiDeRmAn

Oh, I quite enjoyed the opening scenes of Sith, plus wasn't all part of Sidious' cunning plan?
No point in having a cunning plan if Grevious beats the snot out of the boys in the first act!
It's easy to sneer at the bulk of the prequels but there was some merit, in the visuals at least.
Yes, the dialogue was pretty pants the whole way through, but how then did he manage to write the original trilogy and not frak it up?
As for Hayden, it's telling that the character in the current Clone Wars series is far better than the one we got in the live action movies, in spite of the character living in between Attack of the Clones and 'Sith.
The opening movie of the Clone Wars CGI series was probably better than most of the prequels as well.
I did watch a bit of Episode III the other day and found it to be quite entertaining, it was during the attack on Kashyyyk, interpersed with decent actors, like McDiarmid

johnny_ultimate

EnterNow wrote: »

Hipsters in hating mainstream popular film shocker

To be fair, popular or not, the prequel films are probably the worst written and worst directed films to have ever had hundreds of millions of dollars poured into them. I thought this was a popular rather than minority hipster opinion. Even Michael Bay has more admirable auteuristic authority than George Lucas.

For the record, I do think Revenge of the Sith comes closest to being decent, mainly because of the whole massacre sequence in the middle. Alas, everything around it tries its darndest to discredit the minor success of those ten minutes.

CiDeRmAn

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

.The biggest thing to damage episodes 2 and 3 was Hayden Christinsen, or however you spell his surname...At no point did we believe this guy was a warrior of awesome power or a conflicted soul....Had that role been properly cast, it would have been a far better series of prequels.

I agree, I thought he ruined a crucial anchorpoint of the entire plot line in II and III. I just wasn't buying that little pansy turning into Darth Vader at any point, even when he was being particularly nasty and killing kiddies in the final one (part III). But then, it's not like George Lucas hadn't got a pedigree when it comes to casting complete nobodies with limited acting ability in pivotal roles. Mark Hamill is a case in point...

While i think episodes 1, 2, and 3 were largely not good in comparison to the original trilogy, and were awash with special effects which really took away from the storytelling aspect, i did enjoy some of the villains. Darth Maul, General Grievous, and Count Dooku, were all good but they were all underused. In particular Darth Maul (who i thought was a very good baddie) was barely in episode 1 and got dispatched far too soon.

I particularly liked getting to see the rise to power of Darth Sidious/Palpatine over the new trilogy, but i just didn't buy the whole "turning Anakin to the dark side" thing. For something that had been a major plot point all throughout the early trilogy (how Vader was a badass Jedi master lured over to the dark side by the emperor) the actual "turning Anakin" subplot felt tacked on in part III, and wasn't helped at all by the terrible acting that Christensen showed throughout. I mean he was trying to save his wife, presumably out of love for her, when the actor wasn't capable of portraying any signs of that love on screen with his opposite number? I just didn't buy it.

Retr0gamer

Hayden has been a great actor in anything I've seen him in outside of star wars. It was definitely not the fault of the actor in this case. There's a lot of good actors giving terrible performances in the prequels, some of it is down to dialogue but I think a lot more of it is to do with the green scene used in the majority of scenes. There's absolutely no way you can get into a part when all you have to go on with your location is a big green screen.

Myrddin

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

To be fair, popular or not, the prequel films are probably the worst written and worst directed films to have ever had hundreds of millions of dollars poured into them. I thought this was a popular rather than minority hipster opinion. Even Michael Bay has more admirable auteuristic authority than George Lucas.

Oh I agree, the first two films are appalling, & get worse with rewatching and time - and I'd be a big fan of the Saga! They're dreadful, from start to finish, unadulterated, drawn out, overly complicated, boring & have a real 'falseness' to them.

But reading the comments elsewhere and the uproar this is creating, and its only day 2 bare in mind, this discussion is gonna get real old, real soon. The fact is, handing control over to a new team with their own agenda's, freedom, & scope while directly comparing it to Lucas' previous tight grip/control over the saga, can only be a good thing. I fail to see how this can be construed negatively, we were always gonna get more Star Wars, it was just a matter of when. Personally I'm delighted to see the reigns relaxed now & fresh minds take over, many of which probably grew up watching the old trilogy as kids.

For the record, I do think Revenge of the Sith comes closest to being decent, mainly because of the whole massacre sequence in the middle. Alas, everything around it tries its darndest to discredit the minor success of those ten minutes.

The third one is undoubtedly the closest we've seen to a good Star Wars film in the prequel trilogy. To be fair, its also superior to Episode 4 & 6 in many ways too, & fans list generally reflect Ep 3 as being the only worthy 'successor'. If you forget about watching films to critique them, & actually watch it for what it is, a film, this is glaringly obvious...its something you can't even do with Ep 1 & 2...so whatever Dino man is smoking, I want some More powerful hallucinogenics have failed to make Ep 1 & 2 watchable.

Jack burton

DinoRex wrote: »

Don't really blame Hayden at all. He did what he could with the crap dialogue he was given.

There is absolutely no good way to deliver the line:

'I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth.'

The films are just so poorly written and directed that you have all these pretty good actors just sounding awful.

One of the biggest crimes was when Genndy Tartakovsky actually made Star Wars cool again with the Clone Wars cartoon series. He did such an amazing job on building up the character of General Grievous as a serious threat only for Lucas to go and wipe his arse with all that hard work in the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIj7gIDFDe4

I love that series! Genndy Tartakovsky is amazing! I really have to go see Hotel Transylvania but I have no younger brothers or sisters or anything to go with so I might end up looking like a complete wierdo haha

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Hayden has been a great actor in anything I've seen him in outside of star wars. It was definitely not the fault of the actor in this case. There's a lot of good actors giving terrible performances in the prequels, some of it is down to dialogue but I think a lot more of it is to do with the green scene used in the majority of scenes. There's absolutely no way you can get into a part when all you have to go on with your location is a big green screen.

Agreed, McGregor & Neeson are also woeful in them. The only characters that do in fact work, are dour, suppressed ones like Palpatine/Sidious

johnny_ultimate

An actor is only as good as the material given to them and the director working them through the production. Given the amount of oftentimes great actors who give wooden, laughable performance in the prequel trilogy, it's certainly a case of "it's not us, it's Lucas".

Anyway, Lucas has always been unable to steer actors in the right direction. Harrison Ford is the only one who gives a truly great performance in the original trilogy. Hamill and Fisher have let's say 'limited' emotional range, and as Alec Guinness was so fond of pointing out, it was hardly the pinnacle of his thespian achievements.

Heh heh heh...:D