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    #332
    elastico
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    end of the road wrote: »
    more likely dublin or waterford. i can't see cork being rail connected again, that has been made sure of

    Foynes are actively seeking to be rail connected again, which is why I was asking the question.

    I suppose I should have worded the question differently.

    Would Foynes be a potential port for this freight if it had a rail connection?


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    #333
    GM228
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    end of the road wrote: »
    more likely dublin or waterford. i can't see cork being rail connected again, that has been made sure of

    This is the MRF Biomass liner which has been talked about for a long time which the wagons are already ready for!

    Due to start Q1 2017 and the Biomass fuel will be imported from the US via Dublin.

    GM228


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    #334
    elastico
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    GM228 wrote: »
    This is the MRF Biomass liner which has been talked about for a long time which the wagons are already ready for!

    Due to start Q1 2017 and the Biomass fuel will be imported from the US via Dublin.

    GM228

    Why Dublin?

    Foynes is a lot closer by sea and less congested too.

    (Assuming there is a rail connection in place of course!)


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    #335
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    elastico wrote: »
    Foynes are actively seeking to be rail connected again, which is why I was asking the question.

    I suppose I should have worded the question differently.

    Would Foynes be a potential port for this freight if it had a rail connection?
    your question as written was fine.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #336
    Jamie2k9
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    One wonders are Belview's days numbered, the weekly CPW is mostly empty. Not that's it's IE fault but they have spent a few quid upgrading the line in recent months...

    If they add a couple of flats to current limits then it can all go via Dublin and their annual report suggest's it will happen.

    Belview really needed the Biomass flows and while it could change from Dublin it's unlikely.


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    #337
    Thedarkb
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    There are usually only 2-4 empties on a DFDS ignoring delayed shippings and things, I'm fairly sure it's ok


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    #338
    Captain Chaos
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    Is the IWT just winning more shipping slots from DFDS? Seems a waste reinstating in the CPWs for that flow now that it has deteriorated so fast in such a short time frame.


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    #339
    Victor
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    elastico wrote: »
    Foynes is a lot closer by sea and less congested too.
    On a trans-Atlantic scale, it is only barely closer.

    But doesn't have the same ease of access.

    Less congested might be another word for less serviced.


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    #340
    roundymac
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    end of the road wrote: »
    more likely dublin or waterford. i can't see cork being rail connected again, that has been made sure of

    Why not Cork? Marino Point would be perfect for it, the Cobh line runs right alongside it, a couple of sets of points and whtever amount of lines you want to put in. The jetty is already there, what ever bits of unloading gear is needed and away you go.


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    #341
    BoatMad
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    One wonders are Belview's days numbered, the weekly CPW is mostly empty. Not that's it's IE fault but they have spent a few quid upgrading the line in recent months...

    If they add a couple of flats to current limits then it can all go via Dublin and their annual report suggest's it will happen.

    Belview really needed the Biomass flows and while it could change from Dublin it's unlikely.

    Unfortunately belview is failing as a port. The dredging costs are killing it and even them the river limits large vessels.


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    #342
    end of the road
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    roundymac wrote: »
    Why not Cork? Marino Point would be perfect for it, the Cobh line runs right alongside it, a couple of sets of points and whtever amount of lines you want to put in. The jetty is already there, what ever bits of unloading gear is needed and away you go.
    well, it could be done i'm sure. mind you it would have been better if it had remained rail connected in the first place

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #343
    BoatMad
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    end of the road wrote: »
    well, it could be done i'm sure. mind you it would have been better if it had remained rail connected in the first place

    Well cork port is basically moving to ringaskiddy anyway. That was never rail connected and never will be


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    #344
    Thedarkb
    Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭Thedarkb


    For some reason, the laden timbers are either running late or not at all on the waterford line this week, any changes to the timetable or anything?


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    #345
    roundymac
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    BoatMad wrote: »
    Well cork port is basically moving to ringaskiddy anyway. That was never rail connected and never will be
    Only the Tivoli container port and the upper jetties. Marino point is only about two miles from Ringakiddy on the north side of the river. The site is in Nama and could be aquired quite easily.


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    #346
    NUTLEY BOY
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    Saw one of those freight trains leaving Dublin Port the other day. Where do those trains actually go to unload / load the containers ?


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    #347
    MrMorooka
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    NUTLEY BOY wrote: »
    Saw one of those freight trains leaving Dublin Port the other day. Where do those trains actually go to unload / load the containers ?

    Here


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    #348
    clunked
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    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.35104,-6.221348,3a,75y,92.34h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sF2iCLCv9_EmU6GcX9ebxZQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    Look at what Google street view spotted!


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    #349
    Victor
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    I've mapped things as best I can on

    http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.3498/-6.2142
    http://www.itoworld.com/map/71?lon=-6.21366&lat=53.34984&zoom=16&fullscreen=true
    http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-6.21366&lat=53.34984&zoom=16&fullscreen=true


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    #350
    UrbanFox
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    Out of curiosity where do those trains go to unload / load after they leave Dublin Port ?


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    #351
    LXFlyer
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    UrbanFox wrote: »
    Out of curiosity where do those trains go to unload / load after they leave Dublin Port ?



    Ballina


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    #352
    Pete2k
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    Is any of the rest of the tramway and the sidings further down alexandra road ever used or even travellelled on by an inspection car to maintain them anymore or have they been abandoned?


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    #353
    Captain Chaos
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    Pete2k wrote: »
    Is any of the rest of the tramway and the sidings further down alexandra road ever used or even travellelled on by an inspection car to maintain them anymore or have they been abandoned?

    Abandoned, last time the full length was used was part of the first batches of ICRs being delivered to Ocean Pier, and I think some of the refurb DARTs returning but I could be wrong on that one. That's a container terminal now at the very end.


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    #354
    end of the road
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    so when new stock is bought again where would it be unloaded?

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #355
    flyingsnail
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    end of the road wrote: »
    so when new stock is bought again where would it be unloaded?

    When the 22s came in they were offloaded from the ship onto a lorry and then they used mobile cranes on Alexandra road to put them on rails.


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    #356
    Thedarkb
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    end of the road wrote: »
    so when new stock is bought again where would it be unloaded?
    Belview


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    #357
    LXFlyer
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    flyingsnail wrote: »
    When the 22s came in they were offloaded from the ship onto a lorry and then they used mobile cranes on Alexandra road to put them on rails.

    The later ones were delivered to the container terminal.


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    #358
    GM228
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Abandoned, last time the full length was used was part of the first batches of ICRs being delivered to Ocean Pier, and I think some of the refurb DARTs returning but I could be wrong on that one. That's a container terminal now at the very end.

    Indeed the last time the full line was used was for early ICR deliveries, the line as far as the Eucon container terminal was in regular use for the IWT until the Common User Terminal opened a few years ago, the line isn't abandoned but is actually maintained by Dublin Port who see it as an important part of their ports future!

    GM228


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    #359
    Victor
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    Pete2k wrote: »
    Is any of the rest of the tramway and the sidings further down alexandra road ever used or even travellelled on by an inspection car to maintain them anymore or have they been abandoned?

    Almost all the track is bedded in concrete, so little need for inspection. The risk of encroachment by landowners is also much reduced.
    GM228 wrote: »
    Indeed the last time the full line was used was for early ICR deliveries, the line as far as the Eucon container terminal was in regular use for the IWT until the Common User Terminal opened a few years ago, the line isn't abandoned but is actually maintained by Dublin Port who see it as an important part of their ports future!

    GM228
    The sections marked abandoned (blue) on the attached have actually been removed.

    http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-6.20990&lat=53.34878&zoom=16&fullscreen=true&open_sidebar=map_key


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    #360
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    Victor wrote: »
    Almost all the track is bedded in concrete, so little need for inspection. The risk of encroachment by landowners is also much reduced.

    The sections marked abandoned (blue) on the attached have actually been removed.

    http://www.itoworld.com/map/26?lon=-6.20990&lat=53.34878&zoom=16&fullscreen=true&open_sidebar=map_key

    Most maintenance involves the points and welding in any broken/worn spots.

    Indeed the blue sections were removed many years ago, even some of the brown sections are no longer there.

    GM228


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    #361
    Captain Chaos
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    In regards to the future possibility of 201s taking over tara duties from the 071s (chances are it will go by road and not rail when the 071s are retired). In order to get around the fact that a 201 can't fit on the traverser would it not be an option for the train to run into the Common User Terminal used for the IWT liners. This would allow the loco to run around the train, it then heads back out onto the tramway and then propels the wagons into the unloading facility and from there the process is the same as it is now for the 071s.

    Other than that, have a 201 run around in the yard and then propel the train down the tramway with a flag man leading as usual. Probably a non running as I'd say Health and Safety would have a field day with that concept.


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