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Swedish house mafia stabbings (Updated Mod Warning Post #1)

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    #1382
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Thanks for the information. You might explain this while you're at it -


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79641328&postcount=1267
    I think it's self explanatory. If you read it a few more times and still don't understand, tell me exactly what part you don't understand and I'll see if I can explain it to you.


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    #1383
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    One pill can, and has, killed. Even a single ecstasy pill has killed due to heatstroke, water poisoning or heart failure. One bottle of wine has certainly killed people too, so it's not like (currently) illegal drugs have some sort of monopoly on fatalities.

    I like to think we've covered this, and other posters have made good sensible contributions on the issue. I don't want to derail this any more. The issue at hand is really the stabbings, not a debate on legalization of drugs or ethical drug use or anything else.


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    #1384
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I think it's self explanatory. If you read it a few more times and still don't understand, tell me exactly what part you don't understand and I'll see if I can explain it to you.

    So you're saying that working class "kiddies" generally don't have a functioning brain and can't associate cause and effect.


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    #1385
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,646 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're saying that working class "kiddies" generally don't have a functioning brain and can't associate cause and effect.
    He didn't answer the first time he was asked... I wonder will he this time?


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    #1386
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're saying that working class "kiddies" generally don't have a functioning brain and can't associate cause and effect.
    Nope. I said that middle class kiddies generally do have functioning brains and can associate cause and effect.

    Your suggestion re. working class kiddies tells us plenty about your attitudes towards them, however.


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    #1387
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    He didn't answer the first time he was asked... I wonder will he this time?
    Apologies, I live a life outside Boards although others apparently do not.


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    #1388
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Nope. I said that middle class kiddies generally do have functioning brains and can associate cause and effect.

    Your suggestion re. working class kiddies tells us plenty about your attitudes towards them, however.
    no you dont have to say it monty let the grunt do the hard work for you :pac:


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    #1389
    The Scientician
    Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    Classist taxonomies aside, I think the handwringing over this is hilarious. 100 years ago there was moral panic about drunken violence, and 100 years before that and probably there will be in another 100 years. It's always very hard to extricate the genuinely terrible behaviour of individuals who'd knife people, presumably unprovoked, from the sorta bad shenanigans that huge swathes of our society got up to at a certain age. That's not to fully excuse people from drinking to excess and getting into fights and what not but I find it funny that people in their late 20s and 30s are posting as if they never got up to anything like this when they were younger. As pertains to taking drugs other than alcohol, it's a exemplar of the concept of let the buyer beware.


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    #1390
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Nope. I said that middle class kiddies generally do have functioning brains and can associate cause and effect. .

    And the implication, given the context, is that working class "kiddies" don't with regard to both.

    Do you have some scientific data to back this up? Recent stuff now, not from 1870 or so involving bumps on the cranium.


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    #1391
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    The Scientician wrote: »
    Classist taxonomies aside, I think the handwringing over this is hilarious. 100 years ago there was moral panic about drunken violence, and 100 years before that and probably there will be in another 100 years. It's always very hard to extricate the genuinely terrible behaviour of individuals who'd knife people, presumably unprovoked, from the sorta bad shenanigans that huge swathes of our society got up to at a certain age. That's not to fully excuse people from drinking to excess and getting into fights and what not but I find it funny that people in their late 20s and 30s are posting as if they never got up to anything like this when they were younger. As pertains to taking drugs other than alcohol, it's a exemplar of the concept of let the buyer beware.

    Apparently, you'd be surprised how few of us have stabbed people.


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    #1392
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    And the implication, given the context, is that working class "kiddies" don't with regard to both.
    Odd that you find implications pertaining to 'working class' people (who I never mentioned) rather than upper class people (who I also never mentioned). This tells me that you are some sort of class warrior looking for a battle. Good luck with that.
    Nodin wrote: »
    Do you have some scientific data to back this up? Recent stuff now, not from 1870 or so involving bumps on the cranium.
    Seeing as you are the one casting aspersions on the working class, the onus is surely on you to find the evidence to support your position?


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    #1393
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,646 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    no you dont have to say it monty let the grunt do the hard work for you :pac:
    Banned


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    #1394
    maykitrayen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭maykitrayen


    Marcin_diy wrote: »
    In my opinion this is wrong solution.
    It would be much better if we would have places in Ireland like in other easter european countries. a building where very drunk people are kept overnight. they get cold shower, nurse and doctor assistance, metal bed with some cover, water and bill in the morning. In Poland a night in such place cost about 100 euro which is a lot of money.

    Then underage drinking. if teen under 18 is cought drunk, parents should pay 1000 euro.
    For sure parents would put more attention to the kids if they face 1k bill to pay...

    edit. by very drunk I mean somebody pissing.on the street, puking on the street, or laying on the street.

    So we won't accept a €100 charge for household services but we'll accept the threat of a €1000 charge if our kids step out of line?

    That's not pointed at you directly, but if you think that a nation who can't accept any responsibility for what happened and are fighting every tax levied will just up and accept a €1000 charge for something they're not involved in themselves you're very wrong.

    I can imagine parents chaining themselves to the gates of the Dail if such a suggestion were made.


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    #1395
    orangesoranges
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭orangesoranges


    I was at the gig on Saturday and even though I seen no fights, there is one moment i seen which will stick with me forever and it was digusting.

    Yet I have to say with what has happened it has put such a bad image of Ireland around the world.. I was on twitter when it first came out and seen people saying "must've been such a nice crowd".. this really annoys me! I went with a group of mates, had a few drinks, went in and enjoyed the concert, no fighting, no messing..sheer craic! Hate the way because of a few stupid junkies we're all being "tarred with the same brush" !!!!!


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    #1396
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Marcin_diy wrote: »
    In my opinion this is wrong solution.
    It would be much better if we would have places in Ireland like in other easter european countries. a building where very drunk people are kept overnight. they get cold shower, nurse and doctor assistance, metal bed with some cover, water and bill in the morning. In Poland a night in such place cost about 100 euro which is a lot of money.

    Then underage drinking. if teen under 18 is cought drunk, parents should pay 1000 euro.
    For sure parents would put more attention to the kids if they face 1k bill to pay...

    edit. by very drunk I mean somebody pissing.on the street, puking on the street, or laying on the street.
    Not an unreasonable idea, but for some folks €1000 is pocket money and for others it's a debt that could never be repaid. Clearly ability to pay would have to be factored in.


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    #1397
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Not an unreasonable idea, but for some folks €1000 is pocket money and for others it's a debt that could never be repaid. Clearly ability to pay would have to be factored in.

    Some countries set all fines to a percentage of net income. Seems reasonable to me.


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    #1398
    cunnifferous
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    orangesoranges wrote: »
    I was at the gig on Saturday and even though I seen no fights, there is one moment i seen which will stick with me forever and it was digusting.

    Yet I have to say with what has happened it has put such a bad image of Ireland around the world.. I was on twitter when it first came out and seen people saying "must've been such a nice crowd".. this really annoys me! I went with a group of mates, had a few drinks, went in and enjoyed the concert, no fighting, no messing..sheer craic! Hate the way because of a few stupid junkies we're all being "tarred with the same brush" !!!!!

    Oh go on tell us! It's AH, rotten stories is what we're all here for.


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    #1399
    maykitrayen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭maykitrayen


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Apologies, I live a life outside Boards although others apparently do not.

    You make 16.83 posts per day on average
    'Nodin' makes 12.44
    'El Weirdo' makes 3.92

    So not only do you spend more of your life on the site than either of them, going by the amount of posts you make, you apparently spend more time here than the two of them combined.

    So, who was it that doesn't have a life outside Boards.ie?


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    #1400
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Odd that you ..........your position?


    A rather pathetic attempt to wriggle out of it. You made the statement
    This is because middle class kiddies generally have a functioning brain and can associate cause and effect.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79641328&postcount=1267

    Given the context, it was clear that you were implying "working class" children were somehow defecient in these regards.

    Now, would you care to back up that implication and be honest about your position?


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    #1401
    bazingaboom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭bazingaboom


    Dunno why this has become a debate for and against drugs.
    Scumbags are going to do stuff like this regardless.

    We seem to be forgetting the 44970 people who didnt cause any trouble.

    It was amazing



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    #1402
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    orangesoranges wrote: »
    I was at the gig on Saturday and even though I seen no fights, there is one moment i seen which will stick with me forever and it was digusting.
    ........... !!!!!

    Go on. Amaze us.


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    #1403
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    maykitrayen wrote: »

    The funny thing is that if Saturday (or any other event) were MDMA/Cannabis only, it would go off without a hitch and there would be absolutely no trouble. People in the future are going to look back in amazement over how we reject/accept drugs and their use these days purely down to when that drug was found and made popular.

    People in the future will be as dumb as we are. E will not be legalised as there are long term effects, even if alcohol is worse and it is.

    We've had alcohol for thousands of years, we grew up with it, it is part of Western culture for all of history, its a drink not a smoke, a pill or an injection, which makes is seem more sociable and normal so it will always be legal.


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    #1404
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    bazingaboom wrote: »
    We seem to be forgetting the 44970 people who didnt cause any trouble.

    It was amazing


    We're not forgetting them, trying to keep them alive the next time they go out :-)


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    #1405
    Halloran springs
    Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Halloran springs


    bazingaboom wrote: »
    Dunno why this has become a debate for and against drugs.
    Scumbags are going to do stuff like this regardless.

    We seem to be forgetting the 44970 people who didnt cause any trouble.

    It was amazing


    That video sums up the whole day for me, drinks, dancing, muck, friends, good times and good music. Think most of the people on here whinging weren't at the gig at all!


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    #1406
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Given the context, it was clear that you were implying "working class" children were somehow defecient in these regards.
    Clear only to a person with a very negative view of working class people - someone such as you, it would seem. How odd that you are not offended on behalf of the 'upper' classes...

    Come clean and tell us why you hate the working class so much. Bullied as a child?


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    #1407
    cunnifferous
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    bazingaboom wrote: »
    Dunno why this has become a debate for and against drugs.
    Scumbags are going to do stuff like this regardless.

    We seem to be forgetting the 44970 people who didnt cause any trouble.

    It was amazing


    I'm not surprised people got stabbed. I'd be pretty angry if I had to listen to that crap for 90 minutes. Sounds like a Ukrainian eurovision entry.


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    #1408
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Clear only to a person with a very negative view of working class people - someone such as you, it would seem. How odd that you are not offended on behalf of the 'upper' classes...

    Come clean and tell us why you hate the working class so much. Bullied as a child?

    Yes, that's nice.

    Now - this is what you said
    Monty Burnz wrote:
    This is because middle class kiddies generally have a functioning brain and can associate cause and effect.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...postcount=1267

    In the context that remark was made in, it was clear that you were implying "working class" children were somehow defecient in these regards.

    Now, would you care to back up that implication and be honest about your position?


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    #1409
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    People in the future will be as dumb as we are. E will not be legalised as there are long term effects, even if alcohol is worse and it is.
    As I've said before on this thread, I'd rather ecstasy and other drugs were legalised and regulated - with the proviso that anyone suffering long-term health effects were told to f*** off rather than being a burden on the rest of us. You should have the freedom to ruin yourself, but the freedom to do so without leaching off everyone else.


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    #1410
    bazingaboom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭bazingaboom


    cunnifferous wrote: »
    I'm not surprised people got stabbed. I'd be pretty angry if I had to listen to that crap for 90 minutes. Sounds like a Ukrainian eurovision entry.


    Go on please tell us more about how hipster you are


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    #1411
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yes, that's nice.

    Now - this is what you said


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...postcount=1267

    In the context that remark was made in, it was clear that you were implying "working class" children were somehow defecient in these regards.

    Now, would you care to back up that implication and be honest about your position?

    I'll go out on a limb here and say that - intelligence being inheritable - the sons and daughters of Doctors are probably smarter than the under class.

    Of course, there is regression to mean, but I think that is beyond the scope of this self righteous conversation.


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