Clamped!

Stark

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Sure people have been on giving out about clamping in their aparments or estates when they are the ones employing them through a management company. Ah ignorance, eh?

Sure that's alright then, the clampers can just behave how they like :rolleyes:

We had incidents where I lived previously of clampers (APCOA if you must know) clamping people "in error" and telling people to go **** off when they tried to appeal. Management company just didn't give a ****, same as they didn't give a **** when the bins weren't collected or the grass wasn't cut.

Quite an interesting post on boards a while back of someone dragging them through the courts and APCOA crapping themselves and trying to buy him off with increasing sums of cash. Must find out how far he got with that.

Edit: here we go: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77014084&postcount=125

Guy:Incognito

Stark wrote: »

Sure that's alright then, the clampers can just behave how they like :rolleyes:

We had incidents where I lived previously of clampers clamping people "in error" and telling people to go **** off when they tried to appeal. Management company just didn't give a ****, same as they didn't give a **** when the bins weren't collected or the grass wasn't cut.

You employ the clampers, thats the point. Hold a meeting and get rid of the clamping company.

You employ clampers, clampers clamp you, you give out about clmapers, you continure to employ clampers. Do you not see the ridiculousness of that?

Anan1

Gary ITR wrote: »

Just on your final point, it was one bolt there was no crawling. Plus i needed to go to the shop anyway plus i got to meet and have a chat with some cool lads, all in all it was a goodevening

You're a late convert to civil debate, but better late than never I suppose. It looked messy from the photos & description, and it was all because some guy wasn't bothered to carry change. I accept that you enjoyed it, but i'm just not buying the whole sticking up for the little man representation. I think the OP was taking the p1ss, firstly out of the car park owner and then out of you guys.

Marlow

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Thats because the majority are int he "rabble rabble, ****ing clampers " camp. How many car park owners are agreeing?

Sure people have been on giving out about clamping in their aparments or estates when they are the ones employing them through a management company. Ah ignorance, eh?

Have you ever dealt with a management company in an estate where you owned or rented a house / appartement. A lot of the people living there actually don't have much say with the management company nor can they fire them because the builder still owns more than half of the units etc. Completely different issue of lack of regulation and a similar issue to this racket.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Anyway, just in case you missed it:

and yet again, why bother paying for parking in the first place then? PArk where you want.

Dont worm out of it with talk of the OP, your being general now.

The op stated, he paid the fee. I'd pay the fee for parking, if there is one, as I use the service.

So I don't specificly care about the question, hence I simply ignore it. If you don't pay the fee you're no better than the clampers.

You just try to see the bad in people. (the boardsies removing the clamp. Implying that you don't believe the OP paid the ticket on his way back from the bank or doubting that he bought a ticket).

I see the good done in this thread.

It's a matter of attitude.

/M

Paparazzo

Anan1 wrote: »

They don't put the car park under your car while you're away, you choose to park there. If you don't like the rules then park elsewhere.

The rules don't fit the crime. That's the whole point.
Imagine the goverment brought in 10 years jail for not having a TV licence.

€120 for being 15 minutes late paying a euro is excessive, but on top of that, you don't have the use of your own car till it's paid? And when you do pay it you have to wait for them to turn up?

Guy:Incognito

Marlow wrote: »

Have you ever dealt with a management company in an estate where you owned or rented a house / appartement. A lot of the people living there actually don't have much say with the management company nor can they fire them because the builder still owns more than half of the units etc. Completely different issue of lack of regulation and a similar issue to this racket.

Your just goign to bring a "what if" in to everything arent you?

What if the builder doesnt still own half of the units?

Marlow wrote: »

The op stated, he paid the fee. I'd pay the fee for parking, if there is one, as I use the service.

So I don't specificly care about the question, hence I simply ignore it. If you don't pay the fee you're no better than the clampers.

You just try to see the bad in people. (the boardsies removing the clamp. Implying that you don't believe the OP paid the ticket on his way back from the bank or doubting that he bought a ticket).

I see the good done in this thread.

It's a matter of attitude.

/M

We're not talking about the OP though, you and Anan were talking in general terms about clampers.I had a feeling youd try to waffle on a bit and not answer. You can say what you want but at least I've taken your poitns and actually answered them.

A matter of attitude indeed. I dont know the OP and have no reason to trust or distrust them. Hence I dont blindly tust what they say. I've been lied to hundreds of times while working byt peopel trying to get what they want.

colm_mcm

Marlow wrote: »

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Thats because the majority are int he "rabble rabble, ****ing clampers " camp. How many car park owners are agreeing?

Sure people have been on giving out about clamping in their aparments or estates when they are the ones employing them through a management company. Ah ignorance, eh?

Have you ever dealt with a management company in an estate where you owned or rented a house / appartement. A lot of the people living there actually don't have much say with the management company nor can they fire them because the builder still owns more than half of the units etc. Completely different issue of lack of regulation and a similar issue to this racket.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Anyway, just in case you missed it:

and yet again, why bother paying for parking in the first place then? PArk where you want.

Dont worm out of it with talk of the OP, your being general now.

The op stated, he paid the fee. I'd pay the fee for parking, if there is one, as I use the service.

So I don't specificly care about the question, hence I simply ignore it. If you don't pay the fee you're no better than the clampers.

You just try to see the bad in people. (the boardsies removing the clamp. Implying that you don't believe the OP paid the ticket on his way back from the bank or doubting that he bought a ticket).

I see the good done in this thread.

It's a matter of attitude.

/M

So the op paid the ticket after he had been clamped and had finished whatever business he had to do on the other side of town

Without noticing the clamp on his car?

Anan1

Paparazzo wrote: »

The rules don't fit the crime. That's the whole point.
Imagine the goverment brought in 10 years jail for not having a TV licence.

€120 for being 15 minutes late paying a euro is excessive, but on top of that, you don't have the use of your own car till it's paid? And when you do pay it you have to wait for them to turn up?

So don't park there, and they'll never clamp you.

Stark

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Your just goign to bring a "what if" in to everything arent you?

What if the builder doesnt still own half of the units?

"What if?". What he's describing is reality for a significant number of people living in Ireland today.

Anan1 wrote:

So don't park there, and they'll never clamp you.

Worthless advice if it's an estate where someone actually lives.

We get "free parking" in work courtesy of NCPS but I cycle/take the bus to work every day because I don't want to take the risk with them. Especially as the signage consists of A4 sheets selotaped to pillars to indicate which company owns which spot and the sheets often get swapped around. Not that I don't enjoy the cycle but it's not a fair situation.

Gary ITR

Anan1 wrote: »

You're a late convert to civil debate, but better late than never I suppose. It looked messy from the photos & description, and it was all because some guy wasn't bothered to carry change. I accept that you enjoyed it, but i'm just not buying the whole sticking up for the little man representation. I think the OP was taking the p1ss, firstly out of the car park owner and then out of you guys.

Because some guy hadnt got change. Im loathe to discuss another mans finances but the chap had to into the bank to a teller because there wasnt enoug cash in his account to use an atm, he also bought a ticket before returning to the car if im not mistaken

Wexfordian

As a matter of interest, if clamping became regulated, say clamping on private land, maybe E80 fine, licencing system and an appeals process, how many of those against clamping here would accept it?

Or would we end up with a thread the size of the speed camera one?

Guy:Incognito

Paparazzo wrote: »

Imagine the goverment brought in 10 years jail for not having a TV licence.

Or a fine of up to €2000 for not having an NCT?


Either way , comparing a 10 year term to a €120 fine is hardly the same.

Marlow

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Your just goign to bring a "what if" in to everything arent you?

What if the builder doesnt still own half of the units?

Only then the other tenants have a say and if they all are opposed to the clampers, there will be no clampers. It's that simple.

It's a majority of the units in an estate thing that controls the actions of the management company. That's how it works.

The management company only can employ clampers if the majority of the units are in favor.

/M

Anan1

Gary ITR wrote: »

Because some guy hadnt got change. Im loathe to discuss another mans finances but the chap had to into the bank to a teller because there wasnt enoug cash in his account to use an atm, he also bought a ticket before returning to the car if im not mistaken

We're talking about a euro here, max. Sorry, but i'm not buying that.

Wexfordian

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Or a fine of up to €2000 for not having an NCT?


Either way , comparing a 10 year term to a €120 fine is hardly the same.

Be a lot more TV licences paid though.

Stark

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Or a fine of up to €2000 for not having an NCT?

It's €150 for not having your NCT disc displayed. You can't just make up silly figures when you actually need to pass laws in order to enforce them.

Guy:Incognito

Stark wrote: »

"What if?". What he's describing is reality for a significant number of people living in Ireland today.


.

and lots more people that dont. Anyone I replied to about the management company just ignored the post because it didnt suit the rant. None came back and said they couldnt get rid or have any say with regard clamping from the management company.

Much like when I keep asking why Marlow (or anyone else for that matter) are botherign to pay for parking at all.

Anan1

Stark wrote: »

Worthless advice if it's an estate where someone actually lives.

We're talking about the OP's case here, not the ins & outs of clamping in apartment complexes.

Marlow

Anan1 wrote: »

We're talking about a euro here, max. Sorry, but i'm not buying that.

See, but that's exactly the problem. You simply believe everybody is trying to screw you or the landowner.

Please base your opinion on the actual information provided. Don't add assumptions. Be the information correct or not.

It's what I meant with attitude. Some believe in the good in people, some just believe in the bad in people.

/M

Gary ITR

Anan1 wrote: »

We're talking about a euro here, max. Sorry, but i'm not buying that.

You were never a brokestudent then?

Anan1

Marlow wrote: »

See, but that's exactly the problem. You simply belief everybody is trying to screw you or the landowner.

Please base your opinion on the actual information provided. Don't add assumptions.

/M

No, I don't. I'm going on the facts here, which are that the OP parked in a private car park for 20 minutes without a ticket. They didn't have to go to the bank etc, that only became necessary because they parked without having the money on them.

Stark

Most car parks with barriers give you 20 mins to drive in and drive out without purchasing a ticket (clearly stated when you enter). Saying common sense should tell you that you don't have 20 mins doesn't cut it. You need to state it.

Anan1

Gary ITR wrote: »

You were never a brokestudent then?

Yeah, I was, I lived on fish fingers & spaghetti for a year. But this is a euro, don't try to tell me that the OP genuinely couldn't afford parking.

Marlow

Anan1 wrote: »

No, I don't. I'm going on the facts here, which are that the OP parked in a private car park for 20 minutes without a ticket. They didn't have to go to the bank etc, that only became necessary because they parked without having the money on them.

So you think it's a good idea, to have them driving around to somewhere, where they can park legally for free which may be miles away, so they can get to a teller to get money, to get back to the parking lot, to then get about the business they were about to do ??

That's extremely narrow-minded.

/M

Marlow

Anan1 wrote: »

Yeah, I was, I lived on fish fingers & spaghetti for a year. But this is a euro, don't try to tell me that the OP genuinely couldn't afford parking.

The OP PAID FOR THE TICKET. When does that go into your head ? That's a fact stated, but you don't believing it is a different story.

/M

Anan1

Stark wrote: »

Most car parks with barriers give you 20 mins to drive in and drive out without purchasing a ticket (clearly stated when you enter). Saying common sense should tell you that you don't have 20 mins doesn't cut it. You need to state it.

Are you trying to bury me in repetition here? Yes it should be stated, but yes it's blindingly obvious to anyone who's driven here for any period.

Gary ITR

Actually i agree with anan, i just clamped quazzies wheel and am now going to charge him 80notes to release it

Anan1

Marlow wrote: »

The OP PAID FOR THE TICKET. When does that go into your head ?

/M

Read first, then post! Gary ITR, post 611.

Stark

Gary ITR wrote: »

Actually i agree with anan, i just clamped quazzies wheel and am now going to charge him 80notes to release it
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Good for you. That will teach him to disobey the unwritten rule about wheels left in the living room.

Anan1

Marlow wrote: »

So you think it's a good idea, to have them driving around to somewhere, where they can park legally for free which may be miles away, so they can get to a teller to get money, to get back to the parking lot, to then get about the business they were about to do ??

That's extremely narrow-minded.

/M

Tell you what works for me - keeping change in the car.