Season 2 Episode 10 - The Final Episode **Have Not Read The Books***Mod Note Post #1*

Really enjoyed that, such a long wait for the next season

Who burned Winterfell? That bit confused me as it looked like they were leaving and there were 200 men outside.

mikemac1

Great speech by Theon

What does a man have to do to get a little respect

PerrinV2

thomond2006 wrote: »

I think the Iron islanders hate Theon so much they will drag him back to his father alive to shame him rather than just kill him in Winterfell.

Great episode, can't wait for season 3!

I thought maybe they were gonna hand him over to the northeners to accept robs deal,"any ironman can go free except theon"
but since they burned winterfell maybe not

Dave!

It was Stannis that led the war against Jeoffrey, right? I thought the last time we saw him he was being captured? How come he's free in this episode, with the witch etc?

Or I'm possibly forgetting a scene, or confusing him with someone else

Daxve

He wasn't captured it was his own men that where restraining him.

Dave!

Ah I see But that still leaves the question of how did he escape? I guess they had an escape route if they were dragging him there?

Benzino

Deleted User wrote: »

Who burned Winterfell? That bit confused me as it looked like they were leaving and there were 200 men outside.

Yeah, this bit confused me. I thought the Starks had 200 men outside, so how was Winterfell burnt? Surely the Starks wouldn't burn it nor would they just sit out there while it was been burned.

Good episode though, roll on Season 3!

pixelburp

Ok, that portion in Winterfell had a pretty big gap in it's continuity; if there were 200 Starks laying siege, where did they disappear to that they let Winterfell burn? Fair enough if they let the Iron Islanders go, I can accept thata deal might have been struck, but you'd think they would then garrison Winterfell for the Starks rather than let it smoulder. I'd almost ask for book spoilers to have that one answered because it's genuinely annoying me that Bronn & co. are now needless castaways.

Otherwise, a finale to the season in all aspects; every storyline gets enough momentum to leave us asking "What now?"

• What now for Tyrion? Reduced circumstances, and enemies surround him, though possibly the most powerful man as a quiet ally?
• And speaking of - what now for Varys? I have to say, he has grown on me. He's the only man in King's Landing whose motives (apparently) don't stem from a desire for power, or from the waist down; plus he seems to have the kingdom's best interests at heart, rather than any one faction's. A moderate, if you will.
• I guess Danaerys has the money now to mount a proper challenge to the crown. The future vision in the throne-room was interesting - if the wizards intended to keep her chained up, where did the hallucination come from?
• I bet Sansa wishes she took up The Hound's offer now
• What now for Arya? Where exactly is she going?
• What now for Rob's alliance with the Freys? He has pretty much scuppered any easy march back North when the war is over.
• What now for Jon Snow, as I'm unsure what exactly the wildling plot is. Attack the Wall, grand; but where do they fit in with this march of the undead?

As for that ending ... zombies! Not the biggest fan of that extremely-overused genre, but it was quite the ending all the same. A shame that poor Sam is (likely) dead.

Redisle

I'm also confused about who burned Winterfell and where those 200 odd lads went. I guess the Iron Islanders could have burned it then escaped through tunnels but where did the northerners go!?

Good episode overall, was glad to finally see the dragon storyline go somewhere, it was getting tiresome.

Finally some whitewalker action! The lad on the horse was very cool.

CastorTroy

The burning of Winterfell confused me as well. With the army outside, guaranteeing the iron borns deaths if Theon wasn't handed over, then no sign of the army at all. Maybe it's just me, but if you take back land from the enemy, you then make sure it stays secure.

And why are Hodor, Bran, Osha and the other boy going to the wall? Though this goes back to the above point about where did the army go?

One of the coolest scenes involved Dany, dragons and fire again. Except more clothes this time

Damn it!

The Robb storyline was pretty non existent, bar the Braveheart type marriage. Was even listening for the music from that film.

And hope we haven't seen the last of Bronn

OctavarIan

Just to clarify for people who haven't picked up on the distinction yet.

Dude on the horse = A white walker (also referred to as an 'other')
Zombie-looking creatures around him = wights (basically just reanimated corpses)

It's explained in bits and pieces throughout season 1 and 2 but with everything else going on it's easy to miss things.

I thought they did a really good job with the white walker's appearance! His wight horse was awesome as well.

CastorTroy

OctavarIan wrote: »

Just to clarify for people who haven't picked up on the distinction yet.

Dude on the horse = A white walker (also referred to as an 'other')
Zombie-looking creatures around him = wights (basically just reanimated corpses)

It's explained in bits and pieces throughout season 1 and 2 but with everything else going on it's easy to miss things.

I thought they did a really good job with the white walker's appearance! His wight horse was awesome as well.

So the White Walker's the one who isn't actually walking? :P

OctavarIan

CastorTroy wrote: »

So the White Walker's the one who isn't actually walking? :P

Yeah that was the big end-of-season twist!

Guys reader here.

Mod Edit: Book Spoiler about men outside Winterfell

The men outside Winterfell were Boltons. Roose Bolton's bastard son Ramsay Snow was sent to take back Winterfell in Robb's name. I'm sure the burning will be revealed next season but it wasn't Starks at the gate, it was Boltons.

Odats

Is the white walker on the horse the mad king?

MaxSteele

The sacking of Winterfell has me confused too.

Good finale overall, although I think Danerys targayen and Jon Snow's storylines were too rushed throughout the season IMO. Too many pointless, long conversations between the Lannisters could have been replaced by more expansion on the other subplots. Can't wait to finally see the White walkers.

Temptamperu

MaxSteele wrote: »

The sacking of Winterfell has me confused too.

Good finale overall, although I think Danerys targayen and Jon Snow's storylines were too rushed throughout the season IMO. Too many pointless, long conversations between the Lannisters could have been replaced by more expansion on the other subplots. Can't wait to finally see the White walkers.

You already seen a white walker, it was those lads on the dead horses.

mikemac1

The nights watch sent a party north led the old commander Mormont

Then that party of five or six set off to assassinate Manceraider, plan failed obviously

Where are the rest of the party and the commander?
Are they up on top of that mountain we saw at the end?
Or have they headed back to the wall?

Been a few weeks since that decision was made, I can't remember

ArmaniJeanss

Syferus wrote: »

I don't think it's going to be much of a choice - Halfhand pretty much told Jon he wants him to kill him to curry favour with Manceraider

mikemac1 wrote: »

Then that party of five or six set off to assassinate Manceraider, plan failed obviously

His name isn't one word, though it's an understandable mistake because of the way characters pronounce it.
But he's actually Mance Rayder.

DL Saint

mikemac1 wrote: »

The nights watch sent a party north led the old commander Mormont

Then that party of five or six set off to assassinate Manceraider, plan failed obviously

Where are the rest of the party and the commander?
Are they up on top of that mountain we saw at the end?
Or have they headed back to the wall?

Been a few weeks since that decision was made, I can't remember

Yes, they are at the fist of the 1st men which the white walkers are closing in on...

OctavarIan

OctavarIan wrote: »

Just to clarify for people who haven't picked up on the distinction yet.

Dude on the horse = A white walker (also referred to as an 'other')
Zombie-looking creatures around him = wights (basically just reanimated corpses)

It's explained in bits and pieces throughout season 1 and 2 but with everything else going on it's easy to miss things.

I thought they did a really good job with the white walker's appearance! His wight horse was awesome as well.

No, the thing on the horse was an 'Other' and the zombie-things are White Walkers.
Walkers are basically reanimated corpses the that obey the Others. The Others are the brains of the operation.

Witcher

Deleted User wrote: »

No, the thing on the horse was an 'Other' and the zombie-things are White Walkers.
Walkers are basically reanimated corpses the that obey the Others. The Others are the brains of the operation.

Walkers are the Others, they were called white walkers for the TV show, the books call them Others. The zombies are wights, one of them attacked Jon earlier in the series.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/White_Walkers

SirDelboy18

Love this show, good last episode, but there was a big lack of payoff in the Qarth storyline.

Blay

Blay wrote: »

Walkers are the Others, they were called white walkers for the TV show, the books call them Others. The zombies are wights, one of them attacked Jon earlier in the series.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/White_Walkers

Why'd they rename them, I wonder

pixelburp

'Others' seems a bit lame - overly mysterious & melodramatic perhaps? At least "White Walkers" sounds vaguely mystical and something from myth.

titan18

Deleted User wrote: »

Why'd they rename them, I wonder

The wildlings called them White Walkers originally. I presumed it was to stop the Lost comparisons by calling them The Others

quad_red

Enjoyed the episode. But the Winterfell debacle was messily handled in that it left me irritated rather than intrigued.

Theon's rants about the guy blowing the horn were hilarious.

The death of the maester of Winterfell was respectfully handled. Very sad.

Overall, roll on S3!!

andy1249

They are mostly called the others in the books , but the TV show avoids it like the plague because understandably they dont want to be associated with lost !

That would be where most would remember the term "others" from.

Professional Griefer

Thought that was a unreal episode. Another year, balls. The others looked brilliant, as did the dragons. Direwolves looked a bit **** tbh.

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing Sansa die either.