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Cyberpunk - CD Project Red

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    #992
    gizmo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    The management at CDPR really need to take a step back after this project and invest in some serious additional project management for the sake of their staff.
    Nah, fam. It's only an extra six days. That's not crunch.


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    #993
    Zero-Cool
    Registered Users Posts: 29,575 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    Wow ****ty asking your staff to dedicate their lives to a project to be told "oh we couldn't tell you about the delay due to stock bollox". Whatever about crunch, if i was working on this and getting major updates at the same time as twitter, i would be pissed.


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    #994
    [Deleted User]
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    Zero-Cool wrote: »
    Wow ****ty asking your staff to dedicate their lives to a project to be told "oh we couldn't tell you about the delay due to stock bollox". Whatever about crunch, if i was working on this and getting major updates at the same time as twitter, i would be pissed.
    Don't they have to go to work everyday anyways? What does it matter to them or is there mention of this being "crunch" time?


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    #995
    YouSavedMyLife
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    Can we have proof? I'm not saying he is lying, but are we just to believe him because he's a journalist?


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    #996
    [Deleted User]
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Don't they have to go to work everyday anyways? What does it matter to them or is there mention of this being "crunch" time?
    Yes, they're salaried, they would need to be in work Monday morning even if it shipped as normal. Jason Schreier talking nonsense as usual. I don't know what his issue is with hard work and overtime. If everybody had the working hours of a gaming journalist nothing would get done. You'd have sewage coming out of the ground. I don't think he understands how the world works.


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    #997
    Zero-Cool
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Don't they have to go to work everyday anyways? What does it matter to them or is there mention of this being "crunch" time?

    I'm not taking about crunch at all. I'm taking about dedicating yourself to something and finding out about updates the same time as the public. I'd feel like i wasn't being trusted to have that info before the public. No idea about stock regulations but it sounds Bollox.


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    #998
    johnny_ultimate
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I don't know what his issue is with hard work and overtime.

    Personally I enjoy having downtime, work-life balance, proper sleep, time with my family and friends, and not having to work six to seven day weeks for months on end. But that's just me, being radical.


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    #999
    McFly85
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    Argh, I have taken a week off at the end on Nov specifically for this! I guess it’s going to have to be Demons Souls or Miles Morales instead.


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    #1000
    gizmo
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    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    Personally I enjoy having downtime, work-life balance, proper sleep, time with my family and friends, and not having to work six to seven day weeks for months on end. But that's just me, being radical.
    https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321140689309175808

    I can only assume folk missed this part...


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    #1001
    [Deleted User]
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    Zero-Cool wrote: »
    I'm not taking about crunch at all. I'm taking about dedicating yourself to something and finding out about updates the same time as the public. I'd feel like i wasn't being trusted to have that info before the public. No idea about stock regulations but it sounds Bollox.
    Surely they are sensitive to leaks? Wouldn't bother me as an employee i have to say.


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    #1002
    [Deleted User]
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    gizmo wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321140689309175808

    I can only assume folk missed this part...
    This game is bigger than a holywood blockbuster. This is the big time, as big as it gets for the entertainment industry. Of course I have sympathy for them but I don't know what you can do with a project this big. But 100 hour weeks can only be counter productive. I can't imagine there are many quality hours in there.


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    #1003
    titan18
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    The excuse is risible and the solution simple - release it on the platforms where it works and delay it on the ones where it doesn't. Stop trying for this simultaneous release nonsense. My son thinks it's most likely the PS5 version that is the problem because Sony are the only one that doesn't use Vucan and uses some proprietary nonsense.

    And it's disturbing that a developer misuses the term 'Gold Master' so badly. It doesn't mean what he thinks it does.

    Yup. Like who gives a crap about it releasing on Stadia the same day. Stop wasting time on it and release that after.

    To me, it should go PC, current gen consoles, next gen consoles and then stuff like Stadia in terms of priority.

    To me, as well as this stage, I'm uncertain what the game is like that they have to delay this late into it. Certainly makes me pause and I might hold off on buying it day 1 now.


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    #1004
    TheValeyard
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #1005
    OptimusTractor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    This game is bigger than a holywood blockbuster.


    It's heading into Waterworld territory.


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    #1006
    markcahill1985
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    Was gonna have this as my first ps5 game. Going to cancel my preorder now and pick it up down the line.


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    #1007
    TheValeyard
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    Actually, I feel sorry for the Devs. Not fair on them.

    Hopefully they wont be doing a Chris Roberts on it.

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #1008
    Jordan 199
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    OptimusTractor wrote: »
    It's heading into Waterworld territory.
    "Please deposit forty quarters."


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    #1009
    Sephiroth_dude
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    Sigh.


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    #1010
    Benzino
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    And it's disturbing that a developer misuses the term 'Gold Master' so badly. It doesn't mean what he thinks it does.

    What's wrong with their definition of it? Seems spot on to me.


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    #1011
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,911 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Benzino wrote: »
    What's wrong with their definition of it? Seems spot on to me.

    Gold master means you have finished - the final retail version of the code has been writen to a master CDROM which will be used by the production plant as the reference source from which all the discs are actually made.

    The only remaining step is to phone the bonded courier to pick it up and deliver it to the factory.

    It does not mean finished, but we are still working on it.


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    #1012
    Benzino
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    Gold master means you have finished - the final retail version of the code has been writen to a master CDROM which will be used by the production plant as the reference source from which all the discs are actually made.

    The only remaining step is to phone the bonded courier to pick it up and deliver it to the factory.

    It does not mean finished, but we are still working on it.

    But that's exactly what's happened, they are no doubt producing the discs now with the gold version. The delay allows them to spend longer on a day one patch.


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    #1013
    Robert ninja
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    I honestly stopped caring about when games come out. I'll pick it up whenever it's ready. I see Jason "objectivity is ebola" Schreier still has a hate boner for CDPR.


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    #1014
    Benzino
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    Robert ninja wrote: »
    I honestly stopped caring about when games come out. I'll pick it up whenever it's ready. I see Jason "objectivity is ebola" Schreier still has a hate boner for CDPR.

    Do we know for a fact that what he is posting is incorrect? Cause what he describes isn't really shocking within the industry, so I dunno why people are so quick to dismiss it (well besides the fact people don't want to hear bad things about there favourite game developer).


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    #1015
    TheValeyard
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    Suppose the good news is those still waiting for 3080/3090 to play the game.....

    Fcuk Putin. Glory to Ukraine!



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    #1016
    johnny_ultimate
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    TBH, even if Schreier wasn’t perhaps the only reporter with a consistent and reliable track record on labour issues in the gaming industry, I’d well believe CDPR have communication and management issues based on what has emerged over the years about them: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-10-16-cd-projekt-red-responds-to-glassdoor-reviews

    Not the only ones to end up in this situation, of course. Naughty Dog, Rockstar... a lot of the big studios that famously demand ‘perfection’ - immense polish and detail - have done so at a cost to staff.


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    #1017
    Sierra Oscar
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    I'm in two minds about the latest delay. On one hand it's good to see them being so proactive and committed to having a polished game on release. On the other hand I'm wondering what sort of serious issues they're encountering necessitating yet another delay so close to release.


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    #1018
    Sephiroth_dude
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    How many push back this year alone is it now?


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    #1019
    Smiles35
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    Sephiroth_dude wrote: »
    How many push back this year alone is it now?

    On number 3 now by my count. I spent way to much time on Reddit. It's horrible at the best of times. I was reading comments such as ''I can be sure now of this release date''. People were working overtime to console each other, coverting days into weeks, they saying ''It really is 3 some weeks to release''.

    I was supprised to see CDPR spending money on advertising, such as billboards in Paris. Seemed like a waste of money with all the free talk going around. An application for more advertisment funding will be going forward now to cover the run up to Christmass.

    You could do a segement of the use of branded paper as part of a bussiness course. You know those yellow pages they relese official announements on.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmnjqSVF_yQ


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    #1020
    McFly85
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    It’s so strange to hear of a game delayed after it goes gold. You would think that the game is in an acceptable condition with any day one patching being mostly tidying up.

    I wonder does that mean any of the physical copies still have pretty serious issues.


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    #1021
    Smiles35
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    McFly85 wrote: »
    It’s so strange to hear of a game delayed after it goes gold. You would think that the game is in an acceptable condition with any day one patching being mostly tidying up.

    I wonder does that mean any of the physical copies still have pretty serious issues.

    Taking the official 'note' they put out at face value, they mentioned staying at home being an issue. Perhaps they have notes from people regarding bugs instead of more face to face reporting that would happen normally. So it seems more of a mountain than it is.

    I need another game to tide me over. Ironicly enough it's GTA5 that I have chosen.


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