JDS V Mir

pauldoo

First episode of prime time was good, Mir looks well out of shape running up the hills

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYR9iWCmaMU

Masked Man

ugh like 8 minutes in before I realized you linked to part 2.

Here's part 1.

Dermighty

bah its episode 1 in 2 parts.

I want the 2nd episode!

Roar

Masked Man wrote: »

ugh like 8 minutes in before I realized you linked to part 2.

Here's part 1.

ha, ditto.. I watched the entire thing before I realised... I was thinking to myself "are they not going to mention Overeem at all?"

Now to watch part 1..

Dermighty

Mir dos Santos is a tough one to call.

I'd say Dos Santos by second round kneebar or footlock. (doesn't get much more random than that :P)

Deus Ex Machina

Mir inside minute 1 by flying gogoplata.

JJayoo

Hopefully Mir will take his head out of his ass and realises that he can't stand with Dos Santos.

Mellor

JJayoo wrote: »

Hopefully Mir will take his head out of his ass and realises that he can't stand with Dos Santos.

When has he ever suggested he can stand with him?

Mir has said that preparing for JDS is easier than preparing fior Cain (for reactionary types notice he said preparing, not fighting). JDS has brilliant boxing and Mir has said this is his weapon of choice. and that he has got the wrestling credentials of Cain that make the ground game tougher.
JDS is no BJJ slouch, but Mir is far better and will obviously be looking to take the game there.

If JDS can somehow pull of a legit sub (outside of GnP to RNC or Arm triangle) he'll prob be guaranteed his black belt from Nog.

jayteecork

Dermighty wrote: »

Mir dos Santos is a tough one to call.

I'd say Dos Santos by second round kneebar or footlock. (doesn't get much more random than that :P)

Wat?

Dermighty

jayteecork wrote: »

Wat?

I was suggesting a victory that's fairly unlikely.

pauldoo

JJayoo wrote: »

Hopefully Mir will take his head out of his ass and realises that he can't stand with Dos Santos.

if theres a fighter with his head up his ass its Mir-but i like him, hes one of my favourite fighters, i think his cockiness and arrogance is pretty funny. He doesnt look like hes moving too quick so i would be worried for him. I was watching the first fight with Lesner when Mir was a bit lighter and i think that Mir would do better against JDS, than this slow, bulked up version

SDTimeout

Mellor wrote: »

When has he ever suggested he can stand with him?

Mir has said that preparing for JDS is easier than preparing fior Cain (for reactionary types notice he said preparing, not fighting). JDS has brilliant boxing and Mir has said this is his weapon of choice. and that he has got the wrestling credentials of Cain that make the ground game tougher.
JDS is no BJJ slouch, but Mir is far better and will obviously be looking to take the game there.

If JDS can somehow pull of a legit sub (outside of GnP to RNC or Arm triangle) he'll prob be guaranteed his black belt from Nog.

In the Octagon when Mir is still there hopefully

Zero-Cool

Cmon Miiiiiiiiiir!! The problem with Frank is that gameplan tends to go out the window as soon as the fight starts. He stands with people he really shouldn't. Hopefully he will take it to the ground and really work the subs but I can just picture him getting in the clinch and having JDS work his chin.

Would be beaming if Mir was the HW champ again but the odds are stacked against him.

preddy

Is Mir even training standup? Look like he has nobody to spar with in his Gym only his kids!

tower08

Mellor wrote: »

When has he ever suggested he can stand with him?

http://bjpenn.com/touch/single.php?p=24928&t=Frank+Mir+Planning+On+Standing+With+Dos+Santos

Seems as though hes planning on standing with him for the first round or so...

Dodgy game plan from Mir

Mellor

tower08 wrote: »

http://bjpenn.com/touch/single.php?p=24928&t=Frank+Mir+Planning+On+Standing+With+Dos+Santos

Seems as though hes planning on standing with him for the first round or so...

Dodgy game plan from Mir

I rarely believe the stuff fighters say during the build up. I think thats very true of Mir. "You weren't hitting hard Brock" lol GTFO

Although, Mir's gameplan has been questionable before but the above article is kinda at odds with an interview I already read from him. If he comes standing, its only to hide the takedown attempt. He'll strike cautiously for 2m20s, then shoot for the leg.

Mark Hunt is out of his fight with Struve, good thing he didn't replace Overeem.
Lavar Johnson steps in as a replacement.
Link

Lavar Johnson is getting another big opportunity.

A source close to the event today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that Johnson (17-5 MMA, 2-0 UFC) is expected to replace Mark Hunt (8-7 MMA, 3-1 UFC) in a heavyweight bout against Stefan Struve (23-5 MMA, 7-3 UFC) at UFC 146, which takes place May 26 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

Hunt declined comment when contacted today. The reason for his withdrawal is unknown.

The "Super Samoan" was recently the subject of hardcore fanfare when Alistair Overeem's failed drug test opened the possibility of an opening opposite champ Junior Dos Santos. Although he picked up plenty of Twitter followers with a #RallyforMarkHunt Twitter campaign, Hunt fell short to Frank Mir, who now faces off with Dos Santos.

Johnson is fresh off his second network-televised fight, a first-round TKO over Pat Barry at UFC on FOX 3 that further solidified his status as one to watch in the UFC heavyweight division. It took him one round to dispatch Joey Beltran in his octagon debut at UFC on FOX 2.

At just 24 years old, Struve has already fought 10 times in the octagon and is closing in on 30 total career contests. The 6-foot-11 fighter is 4-1 in his past five fights, with the lone loss coming to Travis Browne. His wins during that run have come over Dave Herman, Pat Barry, McCorkle and Christian Morecraft.

El Guapo!

Deleted User wrote: »

Mark Hunt is out of his fight with Struve, good thing he didn't replace Overeem.
Lavar Johnson steps in as a replacement.
Link

I like that fight. Johnson has really impressed me since he came to the UFC and it'll be interesting to see how he handles the long reach of Struve. He's a ko machine!
I'll predict another big ko for Johnson and we may even see this again...........

jayteecork

Lavar looks viscous. Couldn't believe the amount of punishment pat Barry took before the ref stopped it.

I think the skyscraper is going to get seriously hurt in this one.

MonkeyBalls

Someone on sherdog predicted the post-fight interview, check this out, he did a great job


Rogan: All right I'm here with the champion, Junior dos Santos, Junior, fantastic performance tonight, you just defeated one of the best heavyweights ever in Frank Mir, tell us how you're feeling right now.

JDS: I'm feeling awesome, Frank Mir is a tough opponent, for sure he is one of the best but I trained very hard for this fight and I knew I could knock him out.

Rogan: You caught him with a powerful right hand, let's look at the screen, talk us through what was going on here.

JDS: Yeah for sure, Frank Mir is southpaw so I had to hit him with a counter when he came in with the hook, that was my opportunity and I knocked him out. I want to thank all of you guys, I'm very happy to be here, also I'd like to thank my coaches, Minotauro Nogueira, Rogério, Team Nogueira, Academia Champion, love you guys.

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Rogan: All right I'm here with Frank, Frank, obviously you're disappointed, but you lost to possibly one of the most powerful strikers ever, and definitely the best boxer ever in the heavyweight division, tell us how you're feeling right now.

Mir: Well yeah, Junior is a fantastic fighter, my hat's off to him, I knew he was dangerous on the feet but I had confidence in my skills and tried to stand with him for a while. But yeah he's great.

Rogan: Was that your gameplan coming into this fight?

Mir: Well I thought I could hold my own on the feet for a while, but I knew eventually I had to take this fight to the ground, I have superior grappling skills and superior submission skills overall. I knew if the fight hit the ground I would have a major edge, but it just didn't happen, congratulations to Dos Santos

Be like Nutella

haha that's gas you start doin the voices in your head as you're readin it ...
and pretty much the way it's gona happen I reckon..

TrafficBug

i think MIR will win JDS in round 1 by TKO

MrStuffins

TrafficBug wrote: »

i think MIR will win. JDS in round 1 by TKO

FYP

Am I doing it right?

davemc180

i hope mir breaks his arm, i dont understand why hes so under rated in this fight....

i have mir to win this by 1st round submission!!!

alot of people said congo had far superior stand up then mir and he was dropped, an if mir has any chance to submit jds its game over!!

Be like Nutella

Mir will throw some predictable stand up and take 'some' punishment to set JDS up for a throw 'attempt' against the cage coz his single/double shots are not gona do it. JDS will try to use footwork and stay out of Mirs sweaty manboobs long enough to catch Mir like he tried with Big Country who waded forward taking punishment more than Frank will be able to, because the guy's a war horse. Mir HAS to get JDS on the deck sharpish or this will be his last HW contention. Respect him for having most number of wins in UFC HW ever, impressive, but I still hate the guy... and his stupid face... and his stupid hair... and his stupid long complicated words...and small awkward ones.... I'm not fighter bashin he just annoys the crap outa me like he's Sun Tzu and Miyamoto Musashi all rolled up in one. JDS TKO >3mins, hopefully

Zero-Cool

Lads, I was just checking Paddy Power and need some advice. Putting a tenner down for Mir and Bigfoot to win to return 180 quid. Yeah it's a long shot but anything can happen with the heavyweights.

Singles gets me 85 euro while doubles gets me 180. Whats the difference between doubles and singles? Does singles mean if only 1 wins i get 80 euro where as doubles both have to win to get a payout?

cowzerp

davemc180 wrote: »

i hope mir breaks his arm, i dont understand why hes so under rated in this fight....

i have mir to win this by 1st round submission!!!

alot of people said congo had far superior stand up then mir and he was dropped, an if mir has any chance to submit jds its game over!!

Mir has to get the fight to the floor to use his grappling and his wrestling is not that great-He will be like a punch bag if he can't get it to the ground and get knocked out-I really don't think he'll get it to the floor so can't see anything other than a KO 1st round win for Dos Santos

Ush1

sheehy83 wrote: »

Lads, I was just checking Paddy Power and need some advice. Putting a tenner down for Mir and Bigfoot to win to return 180 quid. Yeah it's a long shot but anything can happen with the heavyweights.

Singles gets me 85 euro while doubles gets me 180. Whats the difference between doubles and singles? Does singles mean if only 1 wins i get 80 euro where as doubles both have to win to get a payout?

Singles is 2 seperate bets as far as I know. Doubles is one bet on both fights.

Leeg17

sheehy83 wrote: »

Lads, I was just checking Paddy Power and need some advice. Putting a tenner down for Mir and Bigfoot to win to return 180 quid. Yeah it's a long shot but anything can happen with the heavyweights.

Singles gets me 85 euro while doubles gets me 180. Whats the difference between doubles and singles? Does singles mean if only 1 wins i get 80 euro where as doubles both have to win to get a payout?

Double needs both lines ( Mir and bigfoot) to win, if only one wins you get nothing. Larger return for larger odds.

Professey Chin

cowzerp wrote: »

Mir has to get the fight to the floor to use his grappling and his wrestling is not that great-He will be like a punch bag if he can't get it to the ground and get knocked out-I really don't think he'll get it to the floor so can't see anything other than a KO 1st round win for Dos Santos

Same. I see that uppercut Dos Santos throws from Brazil connecting nice & hard

jayteecork

Tenner would get you 216 back on that double from Boyle Sports.

Zero-Cool

Looks like I got some thinking to do... I'm afraid to bet on Mir as I really want him to win and people usually lose when I bet on them.

Mr. Manager

davemc180 wrote: »

i hope mir breaks his arm, i dont understand why hes so under rated in this fight....

i have mir to win this by 1st round submission!!!

alot of people said congo had far superior stand up then mir and he was dropped, an if mir has any chance to submit jds its game over!!

Why would anyone hope this? I don't get it. Breaking his arm will put him out of UFC for months and months. If you don't like the guy you could just say 'I hope he loses or get's KO'd'.

After watching Primetime part 2 and seeing JDS' training and how he does 5 - 5 minute rounds, each with a different fresh opponent, I just can't see Mir getting the win.

If it goes the distance (which I seriously doubt it will) I think Junior has much, much better cardio and will be able to stuff every take down that Mir throws at him all the mean while eating a shot on the way in and out.

Prediction: JDS 1st round KO/TKO.

rain on

sheehy83 wrote: »

Looks like I got some thinking to do... I'm afraid to bet on Mir as I really want him to win and people usually lose when I bet on them.

Ha, I've never bet on a winner in my life and I've a tenner on Mir. Night night Mir

MrStuffins

I like JDS, he's a solid guy, seems ridiculously down to earth and like a really nice person.

What I don't get is the idea that he's this untouchable super fighter. For me, he's shown he can beat almost anyone on his day. But there are tonnes of fighters like that, but JDS for me hasn't shown he's unbeatable. Not just yet anyway!

JDS will this fight, but largely because Mir's days of being a serious Champion are way behind him. Even if Mir pulls it off, he'll hardly be Champion for years and years to come

Leeg17

Wishing such a serious injury on a fighter is quite stupid IMO.

I want an entertaining fight that the fighters can be proud of, and that won't set them back a number of months in training.

As for how it's going to run, can only see a JDS KO in the first round (it's 3/10 for JDS KO/TKO on PP for christ sake )

Be like Nutella

anyone remember Ian the Machine beating the sh1t outa Mir when he was twelve years older and 30 lbs lighter than Mir in Brawl at the Hall! The machine was in animal condition for that one

El Guapo!

I agree with the general opinion that JDS will probably win by ko, but Mir does have a chance IF he gets it to the ground. If Mir is to win, I think he'll do it by sub. Can't really see past a JDS win though.
Mir is 5/1 for the sub on PP by the way. Pretty decent odds considering Mirs bjj skills.

Zero-Cool

This is how Frank sees the fight happening. Looks like he is trying the ol' Werdum technique. Cmon Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirrr

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mma--frank-mir--junior-dos-santos-only-has-a-punchers-chance.html

When I visualize the fight, I see it playing out something like this. We'll start off boxing for a little while, Junior will use his speed to try and get me out of there with punches, and he may even catch me with one or two. At that point I hit the deck, he'll rush into finish me – thinking I'm hurt – and I'll surprise him and catch him with something. Junior's tap will arrive fairly quickly, and the title belt will be wrapped around my waist not long after. That's how I'm picturing Saturday night …

Leeg17

Love love the trailer for this

pauldoo

a bet on mir, bigfoot, big country and lavar johnson is 50/1, big odds, think its worth a fiver

Mellor

A lot of changing to this card. Ultimately I'm disappointed that Overeem isn't here, but i'm also glad he was caught. All heavyweights on the main card.

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Frank Mir

Originally we had the best boxer in JDS verses the best Kickboxer in Overeem. A bit of a change up in JDS training would of been needed as he now faces the best BJJ practitioner in Mir. JDS is no slouch on the ground, as brown belt under the Nogueira bros, but Mir everyone remembers what Mir did to Big Nog

I think Mir will come out standing and after about 2 tentative minutes try for a take down. JDS is smart and has the ability to dictate where this fight happens. If he does that he wins easily via second round TKO. He only way he gets caught is if he tries a submission win. Which will prob earn him his blackbelt. A lot of Brazilians are patriotic to a fault, especially around BJJ. JDS' grappling coach recently said in an interview that Mir wasn't the best at BJJ because he was American.
How ever, JDS comes across as a smart guy and I don't think he'll be bothered with that route.
Odds: JDS to win 1/5, JDS by TKO 4/10

Heavyweight bout:Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva
I'm a big Cain fan. I was disgusted when JDS dropped him, and also by the way the media did afterwards. He was written off based on one KO, which is ridiculous at that level. Big foot is an ape who upset the world by beating Fedor, if he came straight into the Octagon after that there would be some value on Cain, but bigfoot lost in the interim to daniel Cormier the new SF champ. I'm predicting Cain by late second round TKO.
Odds: Cain to win 1/4, via TKO 4/6

Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Dave Herman
Roy Nelson doesn't look like much, overweight with a face that resembles Alan from the Hangover. Dave Herman has an impressive record and normally puts guys away. Roy however has a concrete chin. He's only be stopped once, by Andrei Arlovski, and in the past has held on to knock out a gassing opponent. Which is what i think happens here. Nelson also has severely underrated submissions.
However, at 2/5, I don't think its worth a punt.

Heavyweight bout: Shane del Rosario vs. Stipe Miočić
Two lesser known fighters, you could be forgiven for thinking that its a card filler. looking closer they are 11-0 and 8-0 respectively and both have a habit of finishing fights with their fists. The bookies favourite is Miocic, but I think they are righting off the Del Rosario too easy, maybe because its his UFC debut having previously fought in Strikeforce. I won't invest much, but I like 11/8 on Del Rosario.
Odds: Shane del Rosario 11/8

Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Lavar Johnson
Lavar Johnson has been vicious. Struve will have a big reach advantage, but I don't think it'll work here. Lavar will get in close and lay off short punches, and then catch him with a big overhand as Struve backs out. This one has split the bookies, evens available for Johnson at paddy power and for Struve from boyles. I think Johnson represents value here.

Preliminary card (FX)

Featherweight bout: Diego Brandao vs. Darren Elkins
Recent TUF winner. Showed vicious stand up in all his bouts, then reminded everyone of the BJJ with a very nice armbar.
I don't think you'll get worthwhile odds on this guy, if at all. I said months ago, before the TUF win, that he'll be fighting Aldo in the future.

Lightweight bout: Edson Barboza vs. Jamie Varner
Barboza is a one of the best strikers to watch. Responsible for probably the best knock out I've seen.

Odds: Barboza 1/5, by TKO

Middleweight bout: Jason Miller vs. C.B. Dollaway
This is a WWE style loser leaves town match. Both on a bad run. Dollaway losing here would be the end of him. Miller has a media presence and a win here could work him back onto a main card. Miller hopefully sorted his cardio. Miller edges this one by decision.

Welterweight bout: Dan Hardy vs. Duane Ludwig
Hardy has had an bad run of four loses. Which normally ends a fighters UFC career. But if you look at the fights he lost. GSP, Conduit, Rumble Johnson and Lytle. It's a different picture. Hopefully he put that behind him and gets the W here. If he loses he's out. grind out a decision here Dan.

Preliminary card (Facebook)

Lightweight bout: Jacob Volkmann vs. Paul Sass
By submission

Light Heavyweight bout: Kyle Kingsbury vs. Glover Teixeira
By TKO

Featherweight bout:Mike Brown vs. Daniel Pineda
By Decision

Turbo_diesel

Didn't get to watch the second episode of Primetime yet but why does Mir have Dan Hardy involved in his S&C? Hardy has to be cut if looses this fight.

Varied

I actually feel sorry for bigfoot, facing Cain who is coming off a big loss and probably seething at the fact that everyone has written him off becuase of said loss, cain will not lose.

Be like Nutella

Cain is a class act - hope nobody has written him off... but he will be so fukcin angry after that KO... he's going to tear Big Foot a new asshole... Big Foot is just a big lump who uses his advantages well enough but he's no classy fighter... hope Cain reasserts his class. I rank him so far ahead of Mir its not even funny.

mailburner

love the price on johnson at evens or 5/4 by ko/tko(lads)
im a bit worried if struve manages to get him to the ground though
you wouldnt think by looking at both of them that struve only
has a 2inch reach advantage
I see johnson knocking out struve


really looking forward to seeing prices on the cb mayhem bout
im finding it hard to price that one but am hoping mayhem
is favourite so i can have a bet on dolloway

As for mir jds, jds wins this easily
frank wont get jds down and i see jds stopping mir in the 2nd round
i cant see anything but a one sided match


cant wait to see brandao also

Ian Whelan

Regarding Hardy being cut if he loses: They say the UFC is coming to Nottingham later in the year, if it is then Hardy will definitely be on the card.

pauldoo

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Didn't get to watch the second episode of Primetime yet but why does Mir have Dan Hardy involved in his S&C? Hardy has to be cut if looses this fight.

I wouldnt read too much into the training on the primetime shows, if we go by that Mir has trained for this fight by runnin up a hill(badly), rolling round on the mats with his kids and smoking cubans. Would love Mir to win, his fights are generally entertaining and his cocky persona is funny. i wouldn't write him off as easy as everyone else is

Yeah Hardy would have to get the chop, pity, cause hes entertaining too

mailburner

prices out on some of the prelims
as expected brandao very short at 2/7

mayhem is 4/6 and cb is 11/10 (only checked pp so far)

i know mayhem cant possibly be as bad this time round and
maybe im writing him off but dolloway is no slouch and that
looks value to me
theres surely a risk of cb getting cut after losing two in a row
so he'll surely leave it all out there

Mellor

mailburner wrote: »

prices out on some of the prelims
as expected brandao very short at 2/7

He's avail at 4/11 from others which is a great price imo.

JoeyJJ

Cain is looking slimmer than ever, he looks good for this fight, hoping he can get the W this weekend.