**MOD NOTE UPDATED**Limerick woman complains about living in 3 bed house with 4 kids

oldyouth

Everyone is drifting off topic. Is there a bank account where sympathisers can make a contribution?

WindSock

D1stant wrote: »

You are right. Its possible. Highly unlikely but possible

Now given that no one on either side of the 'argument' knows the real facts about her life. People have to make presumptions in order to express an opinion.

What would you say was the most likely?

(a) your hypothesis
(b) she was either irresponsible in having 5 kids or did so deliberately to milk the system

The only facts that we do know is she has 4 kids and one on the way. Nothing else really. Either way, the level of abuse being hurled is, well....a bit ****.

dj jarvis

hairyprincess wrote: »

Funny with all the crowds jeering for her to have her 'gee sown up', her 'gee stapled' and shouts for her to keep her legs together, not one person has suggested that the father(s) of the children take care of his children. Does he have no responsibility? I only know of one immaculate conception; after that I do believe it takes two at minimum.

This woman has come from a disadvantaged area, and is doing the best she can. She hasn't given her kids away to be taken into care.

There for the grace of God I go

here is one , you find the second , trust me its in black and white

El Weirdo

trishasaffron wrote: »

Yes the abuse is sickening but this is AH after all.

Please.

Not everyone in this forum is a complete Neanderthal, so please don't trot out that line. This being AH is no excuse for the sort of vitriolic abuse that I've seen on this thread.

fasttalkerchat

After 2 infractions and 2 yellows in 24 hours I'm going to say nothing!

Boards has went mad the past few days.

peckerhead

One look at that dado rail and floral-patterned wallpaper was enough for me.

Logical Fallacy

dj jarvis wrote: »

sorry , i was making the point that the woman should have kept quiet , not the posters , i apologize for the misunderstanding

No worries, I just didn't put 2 and 2 together there at all.

byhookorbycrook

micropig wrote: »

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

People who try and get their children diagnosed with a condition for money??:mad:

Sadly,yes.

D1stant

WindSock wrote: »

The only facts that we do know is she has 4 kids and one on the way. Nothing else really.

Fail

You completely avoided my point. Convenient.

Daisy M

WindSock wrote: »

Surely? Who knows, maybe the first one was planned...maybe not. Maybe she didn't get the talk, maybe they didn't reiterate that the pill doesn't work with antibiotics, maybe her fella thought the pull out method was savvy, maybe she was forced...this is getting into sinister territory now...but not unlikely....

But all I am doing is saying there are a world of possibilities out there for her to have 5 kids but loads of people here have already decided she has because she wants a bigger gaf and is completely irresponsible without considering anything else.

She is completely irresponsible given the fact she has brought at least 2 more children to live in a house where she is fearful that the problems she faced for 18mths are not completely cleared up. She believes the house to be too small and say her children are disturbed at night by their older brothers fits. Anyone can see that another baby will only add to the disturbances for these children. She maybe a great mum in other ways but she is irresponsible in regard to family planning and the housing needs of her existing children.

whatdoicare

Reading these kind of stories makes me both furious and in absolute disbelief at some people in this world.

I and my husband bought our home five years ago and have a reasonable mortgage - small house 2 and a half (you couldn't call the third bedroom a full room really) bedrooms, one bathroom - we pay all our taxes and work day and night to earn enough just to get by.

We both very badly want to start our family but the reality is that we simply can't afford to right now and TBH we are starting to despair as to if we'll ever get to start a family. We have actually sat down some nights and cried about it. It's an awful, awful feeling.

So, you can all probably imagine how we feel to read about a woman popping out her fifth sprog without any kind of planning and getting everything handed to her - only to then have the absolute cheek to start demanding more!

If we ever are lucky to have a child - most likely it'll be our first and last. It feels like we are being punished by our government for being responsible, it's just not fair!

alphanine

Socialism gets into people's bones, the entitlement this lady feels is the system's fault.

What is of note here is that that her children may take on the same values and therefore the cost to the tax payer grows exponentially.

up for anything

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

One room for parents and baby. One room for epileptic ADHD kid. One room for other kids. When the fifth child comes it will be a squeeze but that's the life of a slut.

Was that supposed to be amusing? :rolleyes: I think with a sense of humour like that we don't have to look any further than yore ma.

The King of Moo

dj jarvis wrote: »

here is one , you find the second , trust me its in black and white

That's hardly an "Oh poor lamb" reaction.

More along the lines of suggesting that her background might partly play a factor in her situation, which I don't think anyone would argue with.

mikom

I think Bullseye host Jim Bowen said it best........

"Stay out of the black and in the red..... nothing in this game for two in a bed."

gaeilgegrinds1

This makes me sick, since when are children entitled to their own rooms?! I shared and wasn't harmed by it!

WindSock

D1stant wrote: »

Fail

You completely avoided my point. Convenient.

Not intentionally no, your point (as I gathered) is that it is most likely she is irresponsible or deliberately milking the system. This is just from the facts based on the news article. The only facts being there are 4 kids with 1 on the way....

Logical Fallacy

alphanine wrote: »

Socialism gets into people's bones, the entitlement this lady feels is the system's fault.

What is of note here is that that her children may take on the same values and therefore the cost to the tax payer grows exponentially.

I don't think you know that much about Socialism.

Don't get me wrong, socialism makes me laugh my ass off but at least I know what it is.

The King of Moo

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

After 2 infractions and 2 yellows in 24 hours I'm going to say nothing!

Boards has went mad the past few days.

I agree, and the level of hatred and number of presumptions in this thread is a perfect of example of that.

whatdoicare wrote: »

Reading these kind of stories makes me both furious and in absolute disbelief at some people in this world.

I and my husband bought our home five years ago and have a reasonable mortgage - small house 2 and a half (you couldn't call the third bedroom a full room really) bedrooms, one bathroom - we pay all our taxes and work day and night to earn enough just to get by.

We both very badly want to start our family but the reality is that we simply can't afford to right now and TBH we are starting to despair as to if we'll ever get to start a family. We have actually sat down some nights and cried about it. It's an awful, awful feeling.

So, you can all probably imagine how we feel to read about a woman popping out her fifth sprog without any kind of planning and getting everything handed to her - only to then have the absolute cheek to start demanding more!

If we ever are lucky to have a child - most likely it'll be our first and last. It feels like we are being punished by our government for being responsible, it's just not fair!

Which is exactly the reaction the newspapers want, and why they feature stories of cases like this completely disproportionate to the number of such actual cases in the real world.
They also deliberately pick and choose details to get you angry, in case some element of reality contradicts the narrative they want to construct.
Lastly, they'll feature a big picture of a crying baby to really get you going.

token101

catthinkin wrote: »

the level of hatred towards this woman is just :eek:and the assumptions she is scum etc etc maybe her sense of entitlement is inflated however without seeing the house who knows what her living conditions are like .

Also with all the young leaving the country maybe we need more woman having babies to fill the gap

i do agree though that kids are expensive and where possible be carefully planned to have 4 children and one on the way isnt very smart however i dont think this woman is equilvalant to stalin nor do none of us know if she is a slut .

She can be the secret call girl if she wants. As long as shes prepared to live with her actions and take sole reponsibility for them. We dont need more welfare children to replace working graduates/tradesmen or whatever. Thats a daft thing to say.

hairyprincess

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

One room for parents and baby. One room for epileptic ADHD kid. One room for other kids. When the fifth child comes it will be a squeeze but that's the life of a slut.

That is a disgraceful comment to make

catthinkin

token101 wrote: »

She can be the secret call girl if she wants. As long as shes prepared to live with her actions and take sole reponsibility for them. We dont need more welfare children to replace working graduates/tradesmen or whatever. Thats a daft thing to say.

and thats equally daft and assumptive that her children will never amount to anything or contribute to society in any positive manner .

some amazing people have come from very humble beginings .

token101

The King of Moo wrote: »

dj jarvis wrote: »

here is one , you find the second , trust me its in black and white

That's hardly an "Oh poor lamb" reaction.

More along the lines of suggesting that her background might partly play a factor in her situation, which I don't think anyone would argue with.

If theres a strong feeling for thia type of situation start a charity. That way people can choose to contribute. It shouldnt be incumbent upon taxpayers to provide for this womens ludricous choices.

nagero

Maybe she should just sue boards.ie for the abuse dished out on this thread.

token101

catthinkin wrote: »

token101 wrote: »

She can be the secret call girl if she wants. As long as shes prepared to live with her actions and take sole reponsibility for them. We dont need more welfare children to replace working graduates/tradesmen or whatever. Thats a daft thing to say.

and thats equally daft and assumptive that her children will never amount to anything or contribute to society in any positive manner .

some amazing people have come from very humble beginings .

I think you know damn well thats not what I meant. Taking 5000 emigrants out of an economy and replacing them with 5000 kids on welfare means youve lost taxpayers and got more mouths to feed. So your original assertion is ridiculous.

The King of Moo

token101 wrote: »

If theres a strong feeling for thia type of situation start a charity. That way people can choose to contribute. It shouldnt be incumbent upon taxpayers to provide for this womens ludricous choices.

But you see, there isn't such a strong feeling.

You're just creating an extreme position to argue against as, but no-one in this thread has suggested that her background absolves her of responsibility and that they want to provide charity to her.

I for one would never want to get involved in some sort of Hooverian/Big Society-esque voluntarist system of welfare.
It sounds like a libertarian's wet dream (largely because very few people would contribute).

I believe that if this woman has come from a disadvantaged background, then that makes it more difficult for her to break out of her lifestyle and get a job.

NOTE: I'm not saying that her background absolves her of all responsibility.

But of course I don't know her so I don't know her background, the father(s) of her children, whether she's looking for work etc. so I'm not going to make any assumptions about her.

Still, it's not as fun as "Herp derp, sew up her gee!"

micropig

oldyouth wrote: »

Everyone is drifting off topic. Is there a bank account where sympathisers can make a contribution?

Details PM'ed, please give generously:D



Her children should have wore their communion clothes for the photo..get a second wear out of them and value for money for the state:pac:

whatdoicare

The King of Moo wrote: »

I agree, and the level of hatred and number of presumptions in this thread is a perfect of example of that.



Which is exactly the reaction the newspapers want, and why they feature stories of cases like this completely disproportionate to the number of such actual cases in the real world.
They also deliberately pick and choose details to get you angry, in case some element of reality contradicts the narrative they want to construct.
Lastly, they'll feature a big picture of a crying baby to really get you going.

So, please tell me - what way would the story be different? She has four children and no money to pay for them - she made the choice to keep going and have another - how can you turn this into a story where she becomes a responsible person?

Sure, she may have have one accident - but five?

Noone is that uneducated. Social workers would have had the talk with her about contraception and offered to help arrange it for her.

If her living conditions were unacceptable she should not have gone on to have two more pregnancies.

I believe I have every right to have feelings of anger and resentment towards her - I want a family and can't afford one.

KeithAFC

It is a disgrace. She should be given a bigger house to look after her kids. This is a complete disgrace and she should take it to the courts to sort it out. Do not accept this brutal environment for your kids Serinna. I wish you all the best in the right to find justice and to sort this mess out.

It is conditions like these are lead to accidents and certain death and if it isn't dealt with, this is what will happen. Houses like this aren't safe for kids.

catthinkin

simply put i think the minute society fails to care for the weak vunerable old or sick and (yes i do believe this woman falls into at least one of these categories) its failing and failing badly .