Fiscal Treaty Megathread [Poll Reset]

smokingman

srsly78 wrote: »

Nope. Problem was you weren't paying enough, so had to get a foreign guy in.

Also since when does "a few years" equate to senior?

85 grand isn't enough? Me bollix

Battered Mars Bar

ThisRegard wrote: »

Just proof the we've all known for years that After Hours frequenters aren't an accurate representation of Irish society. Most probably aren't even at voting age.

"After Hours frequenters aren't an accurate representation of Irish society."

Very true I'd say

smokingman

Weathercheck wrote: »

You'd have the element of influx of Shinners to boost poll.

Fact that lots of AH'ers are actually too young to vote and don't understand the situation, go along with the 'feck the system' mentality.

And a lot of Armchair revolutionists.

Don't forget the media companies that are hired to go on to forums like this to "sway" opinion. Happens quite a lot here I'm afraid.

dvpower

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I can't understand why the poll says 59% No & 29% Yes on this thread What kind of people are frequenting AH :pac:

Boards members are a very narrow demographic as are people who vote on other online polls and who vote on radio and TV text polls.

I'm always amused by the way some people take these polls as gospel but reject the likes of the RedC polls as unrepresentative because 'I don't know anyone who was ever polled by them'.

smokingman

smokingman wrote: »

Don't forget the media companies that are hired to go on to forums like this to "sway" opinion. Happens quite a lot here I'm afraid.

Well it should be easy to spot the "hired hands" by the fact that they stop posting.

Wibbs

smokingman wrote: »

Don't forget the media companies that are hired to go on to forums like this to "sway" opinion. Happens quite a lot here I'm afraid.

I'd love to know how they do it. Newbs are usually slaughtered for trying to sway the locals. Regulars are well known and with a few exceptions aren't one trick ponies and they don't last long before derision sets in. So I really don't buy the media companies on here thing at all TBH.

EURATS

hooradiation wrote: »

Poster called "EURATS" eh? Wonder if they have a nuanced and well reasoned take on eve--

EURATS wrote: »

RIP IRELAND. HEIL MERKEL!!!

Hmm, guess not.

Time will tell eh? Hmmmm

hooradiation

EURATS wrote: »

Time will tell eh? Hmmmm

Nope.
Now calm down before you give yourself a fucking aneurysm, I'd hate for you to not live long enough to see the nightmare world you've imagined fail to come to pass.

DB10

Weathercheck wrote: »

You'd have the element of influx of Shinners to boost poll.

Fact that lots of AH'ers are actually too young to vote and don't understand the situation, go along with the 'feck the system' mentality.

And a lot of Armchair revolutionists.

No that's not it at all IMO. People have signed up for yes and no sides.

The reality, as with politics.ie also, is these websites don't represent the voting electorate.

Most of the voters are 50 years plus, with the majority over 60. These people don't tend to use the internet and and will vote yes in fear to keep their pension .

They dont care about jobs, they dont have to work anymore.

Only around 40% of the electorate voted, even less in parts. And most were pensioners.

It's like that Simpsons episode where the pensioners made a curfew at night for Under 65s, because they voted in numbers.

EURATS

hooradiation wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

Time will tell eh? Hmmmm

Nope.
Now calm down before you give yourself a f[SIZE="2"]u[/SIZE]cking aneurysm, I'd hate for you to not live long enough to see the nightmare world you've imagined fail to come to pass.

Calm? Ur a perfect example of calm...with your CALM post..stop making me laugh. I might die of it!!

Min

Bambi wrote: »

Irish agriculture is hugely subsidised by the tax payer, which is why your average farmer will be pro european, he knows who's signing the cheques for his free money

Agriculture is subsidised given food is a basic commodity for any society, Europeans would have to pay upto 25% more for food if it wanted farmers in Europe given the cost of production.
Subsidies came into allow cheaper food, higher quality standards and the costs associated with higher standards.
It was never free money, I know as a farmer, there are more rules and regulations that have to be abided by in return for getting the single farm payment. One can argue about a small minority of farmers getting too much money but most don't.
The average farm income is about €25,000 - higher in dairying and tillage, a lot lower in beef and sheep. The average is way below the average industrial wage, so one could also argue the single farm payment is also a social instrument keeping family farms above water and keeping communities in tact.

I voted yes because Yes made the most sense. No was for more uncertainty about the future. I support proper budgeting and access to the ESM.
No was going to achieve nothing positive, the motley crew of the ULA, SF and the Socialist party had no answers to where we could access money if the country needed a 2nd bailout.
I was not going to vote no in the hope it would be alright on the night when an alternative was available.

Dyr

smokingman wrote: »

The problem isn't in the number of grads. It's in the quality.
My own company has had to go to Argentina to get someone qualified enough for a particular senior IT position. Irish grads and even guys that have been in the business a few years just aren't good enough.

Post the job description, expereince etc requirements and the salary please.

Joshua J

hooradiation wrote: »

Nope.
Now calm down before you give yourself a fucking aneurysm, I'd hate for you to not live long enough to see the nightmare world you've imagined fail to come to pass.

I think someone needs a cuddle.

*Coochi coo*

batistuta9

Bambi wrote: »

Post the job description, expereince etc requirements and the salary please.

the salary was 85k, post #1534

dvpower

DB10 wrote: »

Most of the voters are 50 years plus, with the majority over 60. These people don't tend to use the internet and and will vote yes in fear to keep their pension .

Old people can't make good judgements because they're motivated by fear. :eek:

DB10 wrote: »

They dont care about jobs, they dont have to work anymore.

Old people are only looking out for their own (very) narrow interests :eek:

DB10 wrote: »

It's like that Simpsons episode where the pensioners made a curfew at night for Under 65s, because they voted in numbers.

You have a very jaundiced view of old people.

Dyr

batistuta9 wrote: »

the salary was 85k

Post the job description, experience etc requirements and the salary please.

force eleven

Weathercheck wrote: »

You'd have the element of influx of Shinners to boost poll.

Fact that lots of AH'ers are actually too young to vote and don't understand the situation, go along with the 'feck the system' mentality.

And a lot of Armchair revolutionists.

A lot of revolutions have started from Armchairs I'll have you know...

My name is URL

I voted no and am disappointed that the Yes vote came out on top, but there's no sense in dwelling on it. We should focus on building more roads now so there's enough room to kick the can down it for another few months =p

hooradiation

EURATS wrote: »

Calm? Ur a perfect example of calm...with your CALM post..stop making me laugh. I might die of it!!

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

force eleven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I51_NUMsF9k

force eleven wrote: »

A lot of revolutions have started from Armchairs I'll have you know...

batistuta9

Bambi wrote: »

Post the job description, experience etc requirements and the salary please.

it wasn't me who posted about the job, I'm just helping you

ArmaniJeanss

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd love to know how they do it. Newbs are usually slaughtered for trying to sway the locals. Regulars are well known and with a few exceptions aren't one trick ponies and they don't last long before derision sets in. So I really don't buy the media companies on here thing at all TBH.

But they can vote in the boards.ie poll without ever having to post or 'sway' anyone. Others are clearly 'one trick ponies', the likes of EURATS obviously, and a host of new posters on the politics board.

Said it before, but it shouldn't be beyond the ability of the boards.ie top brass to break down the poll results by the boards 'demographic'.

e.g., what is the Yes/No% amongst posters with more than 500 posts, or posters who regged 3+ years ago, or posters with less than 50 posts etc.

I'd suspect that some of those sub-polls would be closer to the actual result.

EURATS

My name is URL wrote: »

I voted no and am disappointed that the Yes vote came out on top, but there's no sense in dwelling on it. We should focus on building more roads now so there's enough room to kick the can down it for another few months =p

Well said. Now it's up to Enda and crew to do the business, prove they were correct, and bring this country out of this SH1T.

As for whether this will happen...hard call!!!

EURATS

hooradiation wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

Calm? Ur a perfect example of calm...with your CALM post..stop making me laugh. I might die of it!!

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

What are u on about? Troll?
Is obviously too much for you

christmas2012

we all know now the yes vote has gone through,what do boards.ie members think of this?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yes we can?

SunnyDub1

I don't even know what it was all about tbh :rolleyes:

christmas2012

my thread doesnt fit under this stupid meagthread what a load of crap

steve9859

EURATS wrote: »

Well said. Now it's up to Enda and crew to do the business, prove they were correct, and bring this country out of this SH1T.

As for whether this will happen...hard call!!!

One thing is for certain.....voting yes means that Enda no longer has the option of playing hardball with Europe in order to get concessions, like Greece is doing.

So the question is this: Will Europe reward Ireland with lower rates, more generous haircuts on the bank debt (when the inevitable Europe wide haircuts happen) and just generally better treatment? Or will it now see Ireland as a country which no longer matters as it can longer be troublesome, (effectively having accepted everything that can be thrown at it) and therefore easy pickings for even stricter austerity and smaller haircuts.

I think Enda will have nothing to do with that. Negotiating power IMO is now zero. The best hope we have is that we are somehow rewarded for prostrating ourselves


Edit: Not that I think this treaty matters even a little bit in the long run anyway, as events in Spain and Italy are clearly going to overwhelm Europe in any case

donegal_road

once again, the people of Ireland have been herded like frightened cattle, and will now have to bear the yoke of European bank debt for generations. Fighting Irish my bollXX