confrontation with farmer bout permission

browning 12 bore

well lads here is a good one for yous i got permision to shoot foxs from a local farmer and his exact words were"shoot away foxs an all" thats waht i was told so i shot one or two foxs then i nothiced nice few bunnies as well so i shot few of them as well and now yesterday evening there was a big CONFRONTATION out in the middle of the field he said i only want foxs shot not rabbits, i said sure the rabbits are going mad on your land theyve eaten away your fields and your ditches as well, and he said i dont care ive told you what i wanted shot end of storey,:mad:
the moral of the storey make sure yous ask exactly what you can and cant be shot otherwise might be a lot of shouting in the middle of the field :eek::eek:

Tawny Owl

You should have told him to F##k off and shoot his own Foxe's only joking I would say that was fun both you standing in the middle of a field and you getting the hand slapped ah well at least you can still keep shooting and you both did not fall out

It wasn't me!

Yeah, I'd have told him to find someone else to shoot his foxes if he got uppity, personally. I consider that a favour to farmers for the privilege of shooting things to eat off their land.

steyrman2

Had the same sort of words with a farmer a few years ago . He gave me the free run of the farm to shoot. I shot over 20 foxes in 2 months then crops were sowing i shot pigeons and rabbits all going well. Till the pheasant season came around i arrived in at 11 am got the labs out and headed into a beet field i shot 2 cocks in a short space of time when i heard shouting from the lane went back and well to put it mildly he lost the run of him self. He ask wtf i was doing shooting birds i said you gave me the run of the farm to shoot what i liked with that he said the pheasants were for a few of his friends from dublin and to leave them alone and he did not want me on his land till lambing season for foxes . I bit my lower jaw and replyed when your friends come to shoot the birds get them to shoot your foxes and rabbits and pigeons all hours of the night he stopped give out and cooled down i then told him i enjoyed doing my bit on the vermin but i do like shooting pheasants . We came up with a plan i could shoot during the week for birds and leave the weekends for his buddys it still works there has to be give and take on both sides . I still shoot his vermin and hunt pheasants on his land so it can work out

djflawless

if his mates in dublin cared about the pheasants so much why didnt they bust their balls doing all the necessary rounds??they should have been grateful you were on the scene to save them the future problems

TriggerPL

steyrman2 wrote: »

Had the same sort of words with a farmer a few years ago . He gave me the free run of the farm to shoot. I shot over 20 foxes in 2 months then crops were sowing i shot pigeons and rabbits all going well. Till the pheasant season came around i arrived in at 11 am got the labs out and headed into a beet field i shot 2 cocks in a short space of time when i heard shouting from the lane went back and well to put it mildly he lost the run of him self. He ask wtf i was doing shooting birds i said you gave me the run of the farm to shoot what i liked with that he said the pheasants were for a few of his friends from dublin and to leave them alone and he did not want me on his land till lambing season for foxes . I bit my lower jaw and replyed when your friends come to shoot the birds get them to shoot your foxes and rabbits and pigeons all hours of the night he stopped give out and cooled down i then told him i enjoyed doing my bit on the vermin but i do like shooting pheasants . We came up with a plan i could shoot during the week for birds and leave the weekends for his buddys it still works there has to be give and take on both sides . I still shoot his vermin and hunt pheasants on his land so it can work out

was in a feild shooting pigeons when an italian lad came down and ran us with FFF's say that he had give tihe farmer 500 euro to shoot pigeons .
my friend went to the farmer and was told not to be shooting them that he had made a deal with this guy .

my friend who has shot this land for 8 years reply calmly that grand but i hope he shoots it next year and the year after cause i wont b . farmer wasnt long pulling in the horns , landed with a case of elay pigeon's a week later.

it the only way to sort them .they think there doing you a favour shooting pigeons , rabbits, deers etc

E. Fudd

TriggerPL wrote: »

it the only way to sort them .they think there doing you a favour shooting pigeons , rabbits, deers etc

So you're saying that theyre not doing us a favour by giving us permission to shoot pigeons, rabbit, deer etc??? Tune in lad in all fairness now.

ssl

A friend of mine who took over his family farm told me I could shoot his land. No problems until I was crossing the land with him and I shot a hare. He was not happy at all. Something to do with folkllore but he told me I was not to shoot hares on his land again. That was grand by me, just wish we had gone through the species list in the beginning

Glensman

A couple of years ago a farmer stopped us shooting woodcock/snipe on his ground.
2 nights ago he lost a lamb to a fox - he needs to find someone to shoot them now...

Vegeta

E. Fudd wrote: »

So you're saying that theyre not doing us a favour by giving us permission to shoot pigeons, rabbit, deer etc??? Tune in lad in all fairness now.

I'm with E.Fudd on this one. Farmer's own the land so they are the boss.

Grizzly 45

Indeed they are.However declaring what can and cant be shot first off would be a fierce help,and if you dont know as a shooter or the farmer doesnt say,ask!
Bit of commonsense on both parties part goes a long way.:p

browning 12 bore

well lads it seems we all have been down this same road lads jaysus it just goes to show you nearly want to sit down with the boys nowadays and see what you can and can not shoot its gone unreal,
but as mr steyrman has said it bite your bottom lip and talk to the farmer as shouting and roaring and falling out wont get you very far in our game any way
thanks again lads for all the replys

robertpatterson

I got permission on pigeon shooting two years ago he brought me round his place shoot everything he said ,to which i replied what cant i shoot
turns out everything meant pigeons and foxes nothing else!
Turns out common sense aint that common;)

Shoot2kill

steyrman2 wrote: »

Had the same sort of words with a farmer a few years ago . He gave me the free run of the farm to shoot. I shot over 20 foxes in 2 months then crops were sowing i shot pigeons and rabbits all going well. Till the pheasant season came around i arrived in at 11 am got the labs out and headed into a beet field i shot 2 cocks in a short space of time when i heard shouting from the lane went back and well to put it mildly he lost the run of him self. He ask wtf i was doing shooting birds i said you gave me the run of the farm to shoot what i liked with that he said the pheasants were for a few of his friends from dublin and to leave them alone and he did not want me on his land till lambing season for foxes . I bit my lower jaw and replyed when your friends come to shoot the birds get them to shoot your foxes and rabbits and pigeons all hours of the night he stopped give out and cooled down i then told him i enjoyed doing my bit on the vermin but i do like shooting pheasants . We came up with a plan i could shoot during the week for birds and leave the weekends for his buddys it still works there has to be give and take on both sides . I still shoot his vermin and hunt pheasants on his land so it can work out

If I had done that kinda vermin work for a farmer, and he then had the cheek to say to me the birds were for his friends, I would have told him to **** right off with himself.

I shoot a lot of rabbits for a local lad who has a good bit of tillage ground, very nice guy who gives me a voucher for the gun shop every christmas. I can shoot all matters of game on his land which includes deer on his father-in-laws place. I got a call from him one day saying his neighbour was having trouble on some reseeded ground with bunnies.

So I said I'd give a shout over to meet him, he took me off in his jeep and showed me around the place. We went to an outside farm of his which had some very nice pieces of cover, ideal for a fox. I mentioned this to him and he went mick, said to leave the foxes alone because he's involved in the local hunt. So I just said to him "well if thats the case go away and get someone else to shoot your rabbits, you can't have it every way lad".. Haven't been back there since! I still get on great with the tillage man.. no hard feelings like!

TriggerPL

E. Fudd wrote: »

TriggerPL wrote: »

it the only way to sort them .they think there doing you a favour shooting pigeons , rabbits, deers etc

So you're saying that theyre not doing us a favour by giving us permission to shoot pigeons, rabbit, deer etc??? Tune in lad in all fairness now.

Hold on now yes it great that we get permissions , but we don't need to hunt ! We want to hunt ! Farmers need us in some areas more so , hunters keep there fences from being broken or lands from being ruined , crops from being ate and lamb from being taken !

Coming from farming back round and having worked with farmers on a daily basis . There never happy . You think were not doing them a favour by saving there lambs or stopping hundreds of euro of fencing being damaged .

Better yet have you seen the damage rabbit or deer do to farms , I have .

So yes permission is great . But we should also get the respect we deserve for the late nights and early morning we put in hunting!

Hunter21

Shoot2kill wrote: »

So I said I'd give a shout over to meet him, he took me off in his jeep and showed me around the place. We went to an outside farm of his which had some very nice pieces of cover, ideal for a fox. I mentioned this to him and he went mick, said to leave the foxes alone because he's involved in the local hunt. So I just said to him "well if thats the case go away and get someone else to shoot your rabbits, you can't have it every way lad".. Haven't been back there since! I still get on great with the tillage man.. no hard feelings like!

You left just over a fox :rolleyes: He needs something to chase in his chosen sport too. Plus the hunt prob only passes through his land one day a year, so their chances of getting the fox would be slim so he leaves the fox there to control the rabbits too. Not much to ask from him, no need to shoot yourself in the foot and loose a permission.

Good few tillage farmers I shoot for have tillage and strictly no fox shooting as the foxes control rabbit population. Thats common sense

graham h

at the end of the day its the famers land and they have the right 2 say what gos

irish setter

graham h wrote: »

at the end of the day its the famers land and they have the right 2 say what gos

at the end of the day that land will be there long after the farmer is dead and gone. having said that there are genuine reasons a farmer might not like certain people on his land. but where everything is above board and your not going to take the p*ss no farmer should have the right to refuse

Cass

irish setter wrote: »

........... no farmer should have the right to refuse

Of course the farmer/landowner should, and DOES have the right to refuse. They are doing you a favour by letting you shoot their land. So whether you are given instructions to limit your shooting to a particular quarry or not, you should obey and keep the permission.

If it's something you are not willing to do then simply walk away from the permission. No one is forcing anyone, and while some may feel annoyed that they can shoot one species, and not another, i would sooner have some vermin shooting if i could not shoot deer (just an example) rather than loose the permission all together.

Longranger

irish setter wrote: »

at the end of the day that land will be there long after the farmer is dead and gone. having said that there are genuine reasons a farmer might not like certain people on his land. but where everything is above board and your not going to take the p*ss no farmer should have the right to refuse

You need to grow up lad. The farmer should have no right to refuse who shoots the land he has bought or worked in the family name for years and gives you free shooting rights on??? Yes you are doing him a favour, but he's doing you a bloody big one too:mad: it's your ball and you're going home!

Longranger

I have one farmer beside me who is a good mate of mine, and lets me shoot his land all the time. I have a spot with countless snipe, a good few woodcock,plenty of foxes and a few pheasant. The only conditions he has are, shoot as many rabbits and crows as I can, as he has loads of veg planted, and, no shooting hares as he just happens to like them. The land is ten minutes walk from my front door and he's a nice guy. You can't get better than that, so I won't be whingeing.

Some12

Respect the wishes of the land owners lads.

I shoot vermin on my brother-in-laws farm land a couple of times a year - Mainly Greyback crows due to lamb kills.

I saw a lovely greyback ~100 meters away still as a rock and didn't take the shot. It was a few meters on the wrong side of the fence.

Their land... Their rules...

graham h

well i respect my permissions and the famers wishes if not i wud not have land 2 hunt on and thats the way it is irish setter i dont know about u but a bit of respect gos a long way

declan1980

Funnily enough since this thread started, I was asked to shoot rabbits by a neighbour who is well known as being anti shooting, but since the rabbits are eating all his grass his priorities have shifted. Because of the experiences of some if the posters, I just confirmed with him it was only rabbits I'm to shoot, and he said rabbits only, no foxes, they don't do him any harm and he likes to see them around his place. So I said that's fine, and thanks for letting me shoot the rabbits.
Thanks to browning 12 bore for starting the thread, because it saved me a bit of potential aggro.

tfitzgerald

irish setter wrote: »

at the end of the day that land will be there long after the farmer is dead and gone. having said that there are genuine reasons a farmer might not like certain people on his land. but where everything is above board and your not going to take the p*ss no farmer should have the right to refuse

Of course they should have the right to refuse it's their land . How would you like it if I wandered all over your garden shooting. In saying that if they say you can shoot . Then it's you should be able to shoot everything

Hunter21

This is like a chapter from Ripleys believe it or not!

After reading declan1980's post I just remembered a neighbour of mine gave me permission to do game shooting on his land last year. Went up there a few days rough shooting, then come spring went up there to shoot magpies and grey crowd- then he says "ah lads don't be at the magpies or grey crows I don't mind them"
I stated that magpies and crows could possibly attack your calfs and there are a number of other farmers that want them controlled in the area.
He still said he likes them. So we honoured his wishes even if it's a weird situation. Still go onto his land rough shooting though.

El Inho

would have pretty much said what the farmer says goes im afraid. stupid as he may have been he's boss.

Grizzly 45

I'm reading this thread with some incredulity on both sides.
:DFrom somone suggesting that a farmer shouldnt be able to refuse shooters on his private property.To farmers wanting to keep vermin alive on their lands.
Lads it's simple....ASK when you get the permission what you can and cant shoot!Dont assume that a vauge "shure work away.." is good enough.A simple "is there anythig you dont want shot?" could save you a load of bother down the line.

Shooting and farming is one hand washing the other.We cant hunt without the landowners/farmers permission,and in return they dont get their pests controlled [cheaply for them] if we dont shoot them.

We are still proably unique in Europe that we still can get shooting grounds for free and on an oral contract,a handshake and possibly a box of sweets at Xmas for the farmers family.Lets not fK that up for want of asking a extra question and ruining it for ourselves and everyone else.After all we are supposedly ambassadors for our sport every time we go afield.;)

Shoot2kill

Hunter21 wrote: »

You left just over a fox :rolleyes: He needs something to chase in his chosen sport too. Plus the hunt prob only passes through his land one day a year, so their chances of getting the fox would be slim so he leaves the fox there to control the rabbits too. Not much to ask from him, no need to shoot yourself in the foot and loose a permission.

Good few tillage farmers I shoot for have tillage and strictly no fox shooting as the foxes control rabbit population. Thats common sense

If the foxes controlled the rabbit population then they wouldn't be ringing me to come back and shoot them, what we would lamp in a night the fox wouldn't kill in a year. All I'm saying is I pay a lot more attention to the farmers who give me permission to shoot whatever I want on there land, I mean fairs fair at the end of the day, if I'm keeping there place from getting ruined by bunnies then the least he can do is say you can chance that bit of cover for a fox if you want.

It's not like I'm going to be hunting it twice a week, more like twice a year! I'm lucky enough to be in a job where I meet a lot of farmers so permissions aren't really a problem but it works both ways, if a farmer says he/she is having a problem with foxes and I do a bit of foxing for them then in the same turn I'd expect to be able to shoot a few birds when the time comes. Simples!!

Hunter21

@ shoot2kill as Grizzly said above farming and hunting go hand in hand and we're lucky to have free shooting still. At the end of the day a beggar cant be a chooser.

If your a carpenter doing jobs in a house you don't leave the job because the owner said you can't smoke indoors. There property their rules as simple as.

graham h

i have 2 permissions beside each other 1 famer told not 2 hunt the pheasants whit my hawks so i respect his wishes and go next door and hunt them lol
ps the samer famer lets my brother and stepfather shoot the pheasants on his land witch i tought was a bit odd but there u go

Shoot2kill

Hunter21 wrote: »

@ shoot2kill as Grizzly said above farming and hunting go hand in hand and we're lucky to have free shooting still. At the end of the day a beggar cant be a chooser.

If your a carpenter doing jobs in a house you don't leave the job because the owner said you can't smoke indoors. There property their rules as simple as.

But I didn't go begging... They phoned me! I don't ever start an arguement with any landowner, like its already been said, their land, their rules!! But I personally operate under the terms that if you i.e the farmer, phone me up to shoot whatever maybe causing the problems on your land well in turn I think it's only fair I should get the go ahead to shoot a few birds or call a fox. Fairs fair like! If not, then get someone else to shoot your rabbits!

Veni Vidi Vici

ssl wrote: »

A friend of mine who took over his family farm told me I could shoot his land. No problems until I was crossing the land with him and I shot a hare. He was not happy at all. Something to do with folkllore but he told me I was not to shoot hares on his land again.

I got permission from my dad's friend to shoot on his land a week ago, and all he asked was not to shoot a hare that he'd seen running around on it. I said no bother at all! What's that ya mentioned about the folklore? I can't find anything on it!

johngalway

irish setter wrote: »

no farmer should have the right to refuse

Can we pin that post, that's the best one I've heard in a long while :pac:

pugw

Both sides have their point in this situation i reckon.
1) If I asked for permission to shoot rabbits on someones land and they said dont shoot foxes or phesants I would stick to my word and respect their wishes.
2) If a farmer rings me up and asks me to lamp a few foxes killing lambs, which I do and its a general "work away" and your popping a few greybacks away during the summer. Well if the following november he looses the plot at me for shooting phesants (which I didnt no was a problem) in that situation I would respectfully vacate the property but when the call comes the following february then he and his lambs would be told to go and swing!

Shoot2kill

pugw wrote: »

Both sides have their point in this situation i reckon.
1) If I asked for permission to shoot rabbits on someones land and they said dont shoot foxes or phesants I would stick to my word and respect their wishes.
2) If a farmer rings me up and asks me to lamp a few foxes killing lambs, which I do and its a general "work away" and your popping a few greybacks away during the summer. Well if the following november he looses the plot at me for shooting phesants (which I didnt no was a problem) in that situation I would respectfully vacate the property but when the call comes the following february then he and his lambs would be told to go and swing!

Exactly!

TriggerPL

seconded that !!!

garv123

Veni Vidi Vici wrote: »

I got permission from my dad's friend to shoot on his land a week ago, and all he asked was not to shoot a hare that he'd seen running around on it. I said no bother at all! What's that ya mentioned about the folklore? I can't find anything on it!

In Irish folklore, the hare is often associated with Sidh (Fairy) or other pagan elements. In these stories characters who harm hares often suffer dreadful consequences.

People like seen hare about very few people shoot them. A lot of people think they are protected with no season which is untrue. I'd probably lose my permissions too if i shot a hare.

EWQuinn

This is one of the better threads I have read in a while, big thumbs up! No lack of problem critters in ROI thats for sure. Over here, public enemy No 1 are prairie dogs, coyotes, and increasingly wild pigs that seem to be universally a problem. In Wyoming they are happy to have Texans pay to hunt pronghorn, known to the local ranchers as "goats".

The Irish Culture/Customs link below talks about the hare, which I quoted below the link. Do not know how valid this is, but I am very impressed that the little buggers can run 45 mph. Fitting discussion in the Easter season.

http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/ACustom/Superstitions1.html

"Hares are featured in numerous folktales and my very devout Catholic mother would have been dismayed to learn that the hare - and subsequently, the rabbit - is an ancient pagan symbol. When Christianity came to Ireland, the symbol of the hare was used deliberately to transfer old pagan religion into a Christian context - especially at Easter time. As harbingers of spring, hares were held in high esteem. Over time, the Easter hare became the Easter rabbit or bunny - far less threatening to Christian Ireland than the ancient pagan symbol."

irish setter

ok i'll try to be a little clearer on my previous point. farmers make a living on the land and they have a right to make a living off their land and a right to protect that living and their livestock. i come from a farming background and i understand that. i also know there are a few lads hunting that don't give a s**t about farmers or their livestock so the farmer has to have a right to be selective about who he gives permission to. i also know and always do respect the fact that farmers can ban everyone who they like from their land. my problem lies where a farmer bans everyone all year round even though it would have no effect on his living, but just because he don't want anyone on his land. you might say well how does he know the gobs***es from the genuine lads who will respect the land. a few recommendations and phone calls would sort that out. but as in all walks of life you will meet thick people who won't budge and you have to just respect that.

fodda

irish setter wrote: »

my problem lies where a farmer bans everyone all year round even though it would have no effect on his living, but just because he don't want anyone on his land.

:eek: Dont know if i am reading this correctly but i think if someone owns something he should have the right to say who else can use it.

garv123

irish setter wrote: »

my problem lies where a farmer bans everyone all year round even though it would have no effect on his living, but just because he don't want anyone on his land. you might say well how does he know the gobs***es from the genuine lads who will respect the land..

Its his land and he's entitled to let who he wants on it or not and its just tough sh*t for those who aren't.
He might like deer and other game and find they are not damaging his land. Farmers like this can get on great with gun-clubs because they can use the land as a sanctuary for birds.

He also might be concerned about people falling and getting injured on the land and doesn't want that even if they are insured themselves.

Or he might want to shoot the land himself, cos after all he knows much better than you what damage is happening and if something needs to be done about it.

Hunter21

irish setter wrote: »

i also know and always do respect the fact that farmers can ban everyone who they like from their land. my problem lies where a farmer bans everyone all year round even though it would have no effect on his living, but just because he don't want anyone on his land. you might say well how does he know the gobs***es from the genuine lads who will respect the land. a few recommendations and phone calls would sort that out. but as in all walks of life you will meet thick people who won't budge and you have to just respect that.

Few things here:
First off your first two sentences in the quote above totally contradict themselves.
You say you respect they can ban anyone, then go on to say your problem lies when they ban people all year round.

Some respect you show for the farming community by calling some of them "thick" at the end of that post.

Ireland is all about- its not what you know it's who you know. Recommendations and phone calls enquiring about strangers are not most folks cup of tea.

For a person coming from a farming background as you say you seem to live in an idealistic world where every farmer automatically knows genuine hunters and leaves people shoot whenever and whatever they want.

If it wasn't for farmers like this who like to regulate what is shot on their land we wouldn't have an abundant range of birds and fur surviving.

We should be great full for the permissions they give u and the sanctuary to some species they provide.

Glensman

garv123 wrote: »

People like seen hare about very few people shoot them. A lot of people think they are protected with no season which is untrue. I'd probably lose my permissions too if i shot a hare.

Same as. Just about none of the farmers around me allow Hares to be shot. Which suits me fine.

I like this concept of farmers not having the right to refuse though :pac:

Theshooter2012

I got permission from a man to shoot his land so one day went in with the pointers and they set in a corner of the field so i stood on one side of the hedge and my father stood on the other side. Next thing i know a jeep comes down the road and squeels the tires to stop and he gets out and roars WHAT THE F**KIN HELL ARE YOU DOING?? at this stage he was striding down the field and he stood and squared up to me and shouted straight in my face so i just called the dogs off and said i am not going to argue and loaded the dogs into the jeep.
I called him 2 days later and asked him what was the story? he replied i was in a bad mood But i will not hunt the land if he does that when he is in a bad mood to shout and curse at a man with a gun. If someone gets scared they can do some stupid things especially with a gun. i didn't think of doing anything to him but someone who didn't know him could do anything.

J.R.

I think shooters out shooting need to be very level headed and remain cool, calm & collected when approached by any landowner, whether it's a polite or aggressive encounter. As Grizzly said we are ambassadors for our sport out there each day.

If the landowner becomes aggressive I'd advise anybody to politely walk away. This may not feel manly or macho, or what ever you want to call it, and it can be annoying to take abuse from somebody and feel you're being wronged ......but always remember you are standing there with a gun in your hand/ under your arm (loaded or unloaded).

If the argument becomes heated and voices are raised then you cannot win......firstly it's the landowners land and he decides what's to be shot / at what time / and what species. He can withdraw that permission without a moment's notice.

......secondly, right or wrong....if a complaint is made against you by the landowner to the Gardaí you may have diffilculty renewing the licence.....no F.O. is going to give a licence for a firearm to somebody who loses their temper easily, gets aggressive and is easily riled and gets involved in a shouting match with a gun in their possession.

It can be annoying and degrading if a landowner shouts abuse at you while on his land shooting but two wrongs don't make a right.....if this were to happen to me I'd politely walk off and if I felt really wronged or hard-done-by I ring the landowner from home and explain that I was annoyed by the confrontation and i like to talk to him to clear up the matter.

I'd explain that I'd gone home to drop off the shooting gear & ask if there any problem returning for a calm chat as i'm confused about what annoyed him. He has had time to cool down and think about the outburst and you'll get a chance to talk to him with no firearm there.

I would always be conscious that it could also be very intimidating for the landowner talking to a few lads with guns and dogs when you're on your own....especially on your own land when you're annoyed about something they did (or think they did)

To be honest I've found the majority of landowners to be reasonable and approachable.

*****************************

We were out pigeon shooting on gun club land one day last year when the tillage farmer, who had leased the land, met us. He was delighted with the number of pigeons shot and asked if we shoot rabbits as well. We told him we did. He said he had a huge rabbit problem on land he had about twenty miles away & would we travel that far. We told him we would and arranged to meet him in the local village near the land the next morning.

We followed him from the village to the land damaged by rabbits. It was grass for silage and was destroyed....rabbits everywhere. We were delighted. We parked and unloaded gear as he drove off.

We were in the field about half an hour with some rabbits shot when a man came in the field gate and never stopped roaring and shouting until he got to us at the other end of the field.

He was shouting' how dare ye....who do ye think ye are.....I'm ringing the guards...ye are in big trouble etc.......... We unloaded the rifles, put them in gunslips, lay them on the grass and went over talking to him.

We politely told him that there seems to be some mix up or confusion here and we didn't know who he was. Speaking calmly to him in a non - aggressive tone worked wonders and he calmed down quickly.

He explained that he was the landowner and wanted to know why we were in his land without permission. We told him the name that had given us permission. He then explained that the individual named had leased the land to cut silage.

This landowner was anti-shooting and didn't want anything shot. He apologised for the initial outburst when he realised that we thought we had permission. The shooting was over...we packed up and left.....but everything was calm and gentlemanly. We respected his wishes....he owned the land...he calls the shots...end of story.

Cass

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Those posts, and replies have been removed. Further posts of a similar nature will be removed without notice. Stay on topic, and refrain from discussing activities/actions that may land you in legal trouble.

browning 12 bore

i think you said it there lad keep it cal and keep it together as they say talk to them not shout well done fella