Miss Universe has a little secret...

davet82

The Miss Universe pageant is changing its rules and will allow transgender women to take part in all of its competitions starting in 2013, the organization and gay rights group GLAAD said on Tuesday.

I'm all for equal rights but... well it seems a little odd to me.


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/miss-universe-changes-rules-transgender-women-130026879.html

Mr.Crinklewood

Balls.

The King of Moo

It won't really change things: it's all rigged anyway.

No-one from outside Earth has ever won it.

Fromthetrees

If I **** off it does it make me gay?

AngryBollix

Miss traniverse

Mr Benevolent

MrMiss Universe?

Caliden

post or pre op?

Seachmall

I see Miss Thailand taking it in 2013.

And 2014.

And 2015.

And 2016.

And...

corktina

thats a teeny weeny odd:D

Praetorian Saighdiuir

thats a load of coq

hondasam

davet82 wrote: »

The Miss Universe pageant is changing its rules and will allow transgender women to take part in all of its competitions starting in 2013, the organization and gay rights group GLAAD said on Tuesday.

I'm all for equal rights but... well it seems a little odd to me.

Why? It is Miss Universe and they are women.

Ellis Dee

Seachmall wrote: »

I see Miss Thailand taking it in 2013.

And 2014.

And 2015.

And 2016.

And...

Yes, Thailand is a great place for happy endings. They know how to rub and stroke people the right way.:D:D:D

It really doesn't matter what gender Ms. Universe currently is or has been. It's all meant as eye candy to be enjoyed at a distance and the chances of ordinary mortals like us ever touching one of them in reality, much less getting a god aul feel - is remote in the extreme. :)

CreepingDeath

hondasam wrote: »

Why? It is Miss Universe and they are women.

And if you graft a tail on to them can they enter Crufts ?

Let's choose common sense over ridiculous political correctness.

kleefarr

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And if you graft a tail on to them can they enter Crufts ?

Let's choose common sense over ridiculous political correctness.

LOL totally agree. Well put.
A pig in a stable is not a horse!

davet82

hondasam wrote: »

Why? It is Miss Universe and they are women.

I suppose... technically... but...

would ya 'do the business' with miss (use to be a dude) universe?

Mr Benevolent

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And if you graft a tail on to them can they enter Crufts ?

Let's choose common sense over ridiculous political correctness.

Indeed. Men with grafted-on tits are not women. Still weirdly attractive though.

hondasam

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And if you graft a tail on to them can they enter Crufts ?

Let's choose common sense over ridiculous political correctness.

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

davet82

hondasam wrote: »

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

can we get a picture people ???

i71jskz5xu42pb

Fromthetrees wrote: »

If I **** off it does it make me gay?

No, it's the fact that you like sucking cóck that makes you gay

hondasam

davet82 wrote: »

can we get a picture people ???

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=jenna%20talackova%2C&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalpost.com%2F2012%2F04%2F10%2Fjenna-talackova-forces-miss-universe-transgender-rule-change%2F&ei=rkCET9uoC822hAeUuZDYCA&usg=AFQjCNHf5H11tAoptbVuSXsSTYwtc9JhWg

Seachmall

hondasam wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=jenna%20talackova%2C&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalpost.com%2F2012%2F04%2F10%2Fjenna-talackova-forces-miss-universe-transgender-rule-change%2F&ei=rkCET9uoC822hAeUuZDYCA&usg=AFQjCNHf5H11tAoptbVuSXsSTYwtc9JhWg

Reluctant erection engaged.

CreepingDeath

hondasam wrote: »

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

So he was surgically disguised as a woman to mask behavioural/self image problems. While that's up to him to do, doesn't mean the whole world has to play along with the charade.

I think gay rights are just clutching at straws now to exist. I still firmly believe gingers get more discrimination then gay people.

Seachmall

Deleted User wrote: »

I think gay rights are just clutching at straws now to exist. I still firmly believe gingers get more discrimination then gay people.

Homophobia is a myth perpetuated by gay gingers who refuse to believe people don't like them because of their red, flowing hair so they assume it's because of their sexuality.

Paulie Gualtieri

Transformers,

hairy men in disguise!

The King of Moo

CreepingDeath wrote: »

So he was surgically disguised as a woman to mask behavioural/self image problems. While that's up to him to do, doesn't mean the whole world has to play along with the charade.

On the other hand, Miss Universe is a physical beauty contest solely, so if she looks exactly like a woman on the outside, does it really matter if it might (might) be technically argued that she's still a man, and lacking female reproductive organs?

Also, I'm sad to admit that I'm so childish that when I see "Jelena Talackova" written out, my brain tells me it's "Jelena Tackle" for a second.

davet82

hondasam wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=jenna%20talackova%2C&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalpost.com%2F2012%2F04%2F10%2Fjenna-talackova-forces-miss-universe-transgender-rule-change%2F&ei=rkCET9uoC822hAeUuZDYCA&usg=AFQjCNHf5H11tAoptbVuSXsSTYwtc9JhWg

i'm sorry, its just false advertising, she's still a dude in the mind ain't s/he???

Ellis Dee

hondasam wrote: »

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

Quite correct. People in Ireland who have gone through the transgendering process can legally change their names, passports, driving licences and such.:) The John/Louise Hannon case before the Equality Tribunal last year attracted a lot of discussion in the media and online. Just because a Ms. Universe contestant was formerly a man is irrelevant, because today's techniques are so good. After all, the fact that they were once children does not make them any less adult.:)

As for those who shudder at the thought of "doing the business" with a transgendered woman, the reality is that they'd shag some of the better-looking ones for hours on end and notice nothing. How they'd feel afterwards if they ever found out is, of course, ceist eile ...:eek::eek::eek:

hooradiation

Deleted User wrote: »

I think gay rights are just clutching at straws now to exist.

hahahah, oh wow.
Aren't you just precious.

Kaner2004

hondasam wrote: »

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

Does she have a X and Y chromosome. If yes, no matter how many operations or how she looks, she is a man.

Einhard

davet82 wrote: »

i'm sorry, its just false advertising, she's still a dude in the mind ain't s/he???

I think that the whole point of having having gender re-asssignment surgery and the like is because one feels that their mind is one gender and their body another, so she was likely never a dude in the mind. If she was, she wouldn't have needed the surgery in the first place.

CreepingDeath

The King of Moo wrote: »

On the other hand, Miss Universe is a physical beauty contest solely, so if she looks exactly like a woman on the outside, does it really matter if it might (might) be technically argued that she's still a man, and lacking female reproductive organs?

How far does that extend too ?
Men disguising themselves as women to compete in the Olympics?

It's "Miss" Universe for natural born women, not men in disguise.

Immaculate Pasta

Deleted User wrote: »

I think gay rights are just clutching at straws now to exist.

Gay rights are gay :cool:

Einhard

CreepingDeath wrote: »

How far does that extend too ?
Men disguising themselves as women to compete in the Olympics?

It's "Miss" Universe for natural born women, not men in disguise.

Well obviously the people whop, ya know, run the Miss Universe competition have a different opininion. Seen as it's their show, so to speak, I'm sure they speak with a tad more authority on what the competition is "for" than some randomer on boards.

Seachmall

The King of Moo wrote: »

On the other hand, Miss Universe is a physical beauty contest solely, so if she looks exactly like a woman on the outside, does it really matter if it might (might) be technically argued that she's still a man, and lacking female reproductive organs?

If I got surgery to look like a giraffe, could I get employed at a petting zoo?



(I'd make a great giraffe by the way.)

davet82

Einhard wrote: »

I think that the whole point of having having gender re-asssignment surgery and the like is because one feels that their mind is one gender and their body another, so she was likely never a dude in the mind. If she was, she wouldn't have needed the surgery in the first place.

maybe he needed a psychiatrist instead of cuttin his bits off?

IM0

hondasam wrote: »

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

her* face looks fairly female but the body in those pics looks like a malnurished man with tits. then again so do lots of female models




*heh..

Paulie Gualtieri

wonder if paddy power will take bets on spot the ball carriers ?

hondasam

CreepingDeath wrote: »

How far does that extend too ?
Men disguising themselves as women to compete in the Olympics?

It's "Miss" Universe for natural born women, not men in disguise.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=transgender%20competing%20in%20oolympics&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csmfoundation.org%2FTranssexual_Bodies_at_the_Olympics.pdf&ei=r0SET_6VBIO2hQej5p29CA&usg=AFQjCNGObwCkvrKPtYevTkW8mhWOeDY8bw

TBF they are not men in disguise, it's a bit more than a man wearing a dress.

Einhard

davet82 wrote: »

maybe he needed a psychiatrist instead of cuttin his bits off?

Well, as far as I know, it's not a mental problem. People really are born in the wrong bodies so to speak. They are women but are trapped in a man's body or vice versa. It must be a terrible thing to have to endure, and if someone, with the help of medical advice and consultation, decides that the best way to deal with it is to have their physical presence re-shaped to fit their mental make up, then I don't see a problem with that. If it makes someone happy, and eases their suffering, why would I?

Also, considering the massive complexity of the human mind, I think it far safer to change the body to suit the mind, rather than going down the route of attempting to re-wire someone psychologically in order to match their body. That's a hugely complex and dangerous area to be tinkering with.

CreepingDeath

Einhard wrote: »

Well obviously the people whop, ya know, run the Miss Universe competition have a different opininion. Seen as it's their show,...

Of course they do, but they want to increase their ratings, get more viewers.

hondasam wrote: »

TBF they are not men in disguise, it's a bit more than a man wearing a dress.

Only in their heads.
Surgery and hormones completes the drag act costume.

Mickey Dazzler

I'd still horse the arse off her/him. Slut

ejmaztec

hondasam wrote: »

Did you see the pictures of Jenna Talackova,the contestant who was disqualified, she is a woman. She has had surgery and while not born a woman she is a woman now.

The name should have been changed to Tackle-ova after the op.

The King of Moo

Seachmall wrote: »

If I got surgery to look like a giraffe, could I get employed at a petting zoo?



(I'd make a great giraffe by the way.)

Well, if you looked and acted exactly like a giraffe, then why not? I don't think the kiddywinks would be too bothered by your lack of giraffe organs.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

How far does that extend too ?
Men disguising themselves as women to compete in the Olympics?

It's "Miss" Universe for natural born women, not men in disguise.

If men who underwent transgender operations to become women retained superior strength and size (obviously not all men are bigger and stronger than women, but it's generally true) then that would be unfair.
If they lost these advantages, then it would probably be fine.

But I think overall it would be unfair to allow them to compete, as I'm pretty sure that the fact that the hormones injected as part of a procedure are determined by a doctor, and not by luck/genetic make up, would disallow transgendered athletes from major athletics events. Even though I'm sure they'd be given a "standard" amount of oestrogen etc which probably wouldn't give them any real advantage, the fact that they aren't competing with what they were born with would probably, and understandably, disqualify them.
I might be wrong on this though, other people would know more about it.

I don't see the problem with a transgendered Miss Universe contestant: it's not like they have much of an advantage.

Einhard

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Only in their heads.

Thanks for conceding the point. Where else but in the head would one conceive of one's gender?

I have to say that the limited understanding that some people in this thread have of sexuality is pretty shocking. Our minds are far more important that our physical forms in determining gender.

Sure the transgenders have been allowed in the Rose of Tralee with years.

hooradiation

CreepingDeath wrote: »

It's "Miss" Universe for natural born women, not men in disguise.

Yeah, how dare they violate the sanctity of the miss universe contest.

Immaculate Pasta

RoverJames wrote: »

Sure the transgenders have been allowed in the Rose of Tralee with years.

Careful now.

Stiffler2

Sigh - the world is a sick place.

I mean I'd love a set of wibbly wobbly wonders but you don't see me going out and getting a titty operation

Seachmall

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Sigh - the world is a sick place.

I mean I'd love a set of wibbly wobbly wonders but you don't see me going out and getting a titty operation

I couldn't afford an operation so I just got fat.

Moobs are great, they give me something to do in the shower.



And a related joke,

How do you make 5lbs of fat sexy?

Put a nipple on it.

davet82

Einhard wrote: »

Also, considering the massive complexity of the human mind, I think it far safer to change the body to suit the mind, rather than going down the route of attempting to re-wire someone psychologically in order to match their body. That's a hugely complex and dangerous area to be tinkering with.

Well take Michael Jackson, was he a white man trapped in a black mans body apparently, point is how do you know who is genuine and who is just crazy?