Disgusted by Catholics

GarIT

ProfessorWeeto wrote: »

On the subject ...

I honestly laugh at people, and think they must be slow in the head, when they lash out about religions ...

The problem in this world is PEOPLE!
Dont matter if a person is Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, etc etc. Certain people in this world are just flat out evil or cruel. But, its easier to slap their "religious beliefs" attached to their actions I guess? :rolleyes:


See these priests messing with kids? f**king scum bags. Should be shot :mad: But you know what, do these sick catholic prists repersent all catholics? if thats the case why dont we hate Thailand? and anyone that comes from it? ... they've got some sick kid sex trade over there :mad:

You can't choose to be from Thailand. Being from Thailand doesn't mean you support what goes on there. Yes according to the church every priest represents every Catholic. Catholicism isn't an I'll have the parts I want religion. Part of its rules are thst you believe absolutely everything the RCC says or else you are not a Catholic. Techinically saying you are Catholic means you support paedophilia but most people don't look into it that deeply.

Galvasean

ProfessorWeeto wrote: »

And by the watermelon green do you mean fools who keep posting pics of themselves every 3rd post?

BOO!

robindch

ProfessorWeeto wrote: »

And by the watermelon green do you mean fools who keep posting pics of themselves every 3rd post?

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//sheesh, three posters toasted in 36 hours; must be the full moon.

Sarky

Worse - it's a religious long weekend.

Galvasean

Sarky wrote: »

Worse - it's a religious long weekend.

Sure, what else would they be doing during the most important period of the christian calendar?

Selkies

Deleted User wrote: »

Feel free.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/mar/29/pope-catholics-rwanda-genocide-church
I think this should suffice.

qrrgprgua

GarIT wrote: »

You can't choose to be from Thailand. Being from Thailand doesn't mean you support what goes on there. Yes according to the church every priest represents every Catholic. Catholicism isn't an I'll have the parts I want religion. Part of its rules are thst you believe absolutely everything the RCC says or else you are not a Catholic. Techinically saying you are Catholic means you support paedophilia but most people don't look into it that deeply.

Pathetic!! There is nothing Technical about it,.. Catholics don't and never will support this sin.

Get your facts straight and cut the generalisations.

Sonics2k

GarIT wrote: »

You can't choose to be from Thailand. Being from Thailand doesn't mean you support what goes on there. Yes according to the church every priest represents every Catholic. Catholicism isn't an I'll have the parts I want religion. Part of its rules are thst you believe absolutely everything the RCC says or else you are not a Catholic. Techinically saying you are Catholic means you support paedophilia but most people don't look into it that deeply.

Whoa here. Hold on a moment.

I'm not a religious person, as my posting history makes it clear. I also am not a fan of the RCC and it's hierarchy.

But that line I highlighted is just wrong. Most of my family is Catholic and are disgusted by the Vaticans treatment of the victims of child abuse and the cover ups, and not a single one of them support pedophilia. Just because someone is a Catholic does not mean they support the crimes committed.

You may as well claim that all Muslim support the attacks on 9/11 or that all Jews support Israel's war on Palestine.

Weylin

[QUOTE=GarIT;77982109]Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are jehovah witness.There are so many sick minded people in that organisation that anyone that calls themselves a jehovah witness just turns my stomach. How could anyone support what has been done. In my eyes anyone that says they are jehovah witness is saying that paedophilia is acceptable because it clearly wasn't enough to turn them away. The organisation of the jehovah witness has so many corrupt representatives that I would consider anyone that could stand by them a sick minded person. There are many other good Christian religions that basically believe the same thing and that don't have the same history of paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse. Why would anyone be a jehovah witness.QUOTE]

GarIT

qrrgprgua wrote: »

Pathetic!! There is nothing Technical about it,.. Catholics don't and never will support this sin.

Get your facts straight and cut the generalisations.

They are the facts. If you have a problem with it explain why?

I have explained before that every member of the Catholic church is represented by every priest, bishop, pope etc. Therefore some of the people that you choose to represent you are paedophiles. That is a fact.

There is probably someone somewhere in the world that is raping a child right now and they are doing it as a representative of what you believe in. I couldn't live with that on my conscience and you clearly can't either, that is why you deny it.

I have put up my argument as to why I believe to be a true Catholic you have to support the paedophile priests. If you feel differently please say why, instead of leaving one word answers and not saying at all why you disagree. and show me where the church specifies that if a priest is a paedophile that he does not represent the people that he is selected to be a representative of.

Every day a priest gets away with the rape of a child because they are a member of the Catholic church. The Pope does everything he can to protect Paedophiles from the law of all the various countries because he believes that once they say sorry they deserve another chance. Every single Catholic is equally responsible for that by saying that they are Catholic and giving them extra power, because every 1 extra member brings more power.

It's like voting, every one person says that they wont make a difference but if nobody voted their side would loose the election. If there were no (or a lot less than there is) Catholics there would be no protection for Paedophile priests.

qrrgprgua

GarIT wrote: »

They are the facts. If you have a problem with it explain why?

I have explained before that every member of the Catholic church is represented by every priest, bishop, pope etc. Therefore some of the people that you choose to represent you are paedophiles. That is a fact.

There is probably someone somewhere in the world that is raping a child right now and they are doing it as a representative of what you believe in. I couldn't live with that on my conscience and you clearly can't either, that is why you deny it.

I have put up my argument as to why I believe to be a true Catholic you have to support the paedophile priests. If you feel differently please say why, instead of leaving one word answers and not saying at all why you disagree. and show me where the church specifies that if a priest is a paedophile that he does not represent the people that he is selected to be a representative of.

Every day a priest gets away with the rape of a child because they are a member of the Catholic church. The Pope does everything he can to protect Paedophiles from the law of all the various countries because he believes that once they say sorry they deserve another chance. Every single Catholic is equally responsible for that by saying that they are Catholic and giving them extra power, because every 1 extra member brings more power.

It's like voting, every one person says that they wont make a difference but if nobody voted their side would loose the election. If there were no (or a lot less than there is) Catholics there would be no protection for Paedophile priests.

I have never seen such ignorance.. Do you represent atheists with your opinions?


1. NOBODY represents me as a catholic. To be a Catholic you don't need to be represented by anyone. Bishops and Priests have a role to play in our faith, they administer the sacraments. They do not represent Catholics..

2. As for everyday priests get away with rape... which priests? Who are they? certainly not in Ireland. You could be a rapist for all I know? Why don't you deal with the facts.

3. Cases of reported abuse don't get reported to the Pope. They are reported to the local bishop who has to report them to the local authorities. Once the priest is found guilty the case will go to Rome to get the priest laicised... The Pope does not coverup anything.

GarIT

Sonics2k wrote: »

Whoa here. Hold on a moment.

I'm not a religious person, as my posting history makes it clear. I also am not a fan of the RCC and it's hierarchy.

But that line I highlighted is just wrong. Most of my family is Catholic and are disgusted by the Vaticans treatment of the victims of child abuse and the cover ups, and not a single one of them support pedophilia. Just because someone is a Catholic does not mean they support the crimes committed.

You may as well claim that all Muslim support the attacks on 9/11 or that all Jews support Israel's war on Palestine.

What people don't realise is that if you are a Catholic it is the rules basically that you do support it. Obviously the majority of Catholics are a bit lax and don't support it. I'm not saying that every Catholic does support paedophiles.

But what I am saying is that if you were to follow the Catholic teachings 100% you would have to because you would have to agree with everything every representative of the church does and says (unless the pope disagrees).

But then that raises more questions, because some religions allow you to believe pick and choose what you want to believe. But the rule of the RCC is that you believe everything or you are not a Catholic.

I'm not saying every Catholic supports it in reality. But by definition decided by the RCC a Catholic does support it. So what's happening is some people are saying they are Catholic without understand every single thing that it means.

qrrgprgua

GarIT wrote: »

But what I am saying is that if you were to follow the Catholic teachings 100% you would have to because you would have to agree with everything every representative of the church does and says (unless the pope disagrees).

No you don't. If you don't understand the Catholic faith, Quit giving your opinions on what you THINK our faith is.

GarIT

qrrgprgua wrote: »

I have never seen such a ignorance.. Do you represent atheists with your opinions?


1. NOBODY represents me as a catholic. To be a Catholic you don't need to be represented by anyone. Bishops and Priests have a role to play in our faith, they administer the sacraments. They do not represent Catholics..

2. As for everyday priests get away with rape... which priests? Who are they? certainly not in Ireland. You could be a rapist for all I know? Why don't you deal with the facts.

3. Cases of reported abuse don't get reported to the Pope. They are reported to the local bishop who has to report them to the local authorities. Once the priest is found guilty the case will go to Rome to get the priest laicised... The Pope does not coverup anything.

I'm not atheist, I has no opinion or religious beliefs whatsoever.

1. You don't have a choice in that. The RCC has decided that they do represent you. If you feel they do not represent you, then you are really a Christian and not a Catholic.

2. This is a fact that if you work it out statistically at least two priest rape a child each day, worldwide (a lot of it happens in Africa).

3. That is the way it is supposed to work. In reality the victim should report it to the police and not the bishop. In many other threads and in this one too there has been evidence provided of the pope moving priests to different countries (normally places in Africa without extradition) as soon as allegations of abuse are made.

GarIT

qrrgprgua wrote: »

No you don't. If you don't understand the Catholic faith, Quit giving your opinions on what you THINK our faith is.

That is what the catechism says and that is your faith. If you do not follow the catechism of the Roman Catholic Church you are not a Catholic.

marienbad

GarIT wrote: »

I'm not atheist, I has no opinion or religious beliefs whatsoever.

1. You don't have a choice in that. The RCC has decided that they do represent you. If you feel they do not represent you, then you are really a Christian and not a Catholic.

2. This is a fact that if you work it out statistically at least two priest rape a child each day, worldwide (a lot of it happens in Africa).

3. That is the way it is supposed to work. In reality the victim should report it to the police and not the bishop. In many other threads and in this one too there has been evidence provided of the pope moving priests to different countries (normally places in Africa without extradition) as soon as allegations of abuse are made.

By your logic of who is and who is'nt a catholic then a catholic who commits paedophilia is'nt a catholic either as it is a against catholic teaching , so that is that problem solved about supporting the church.

GarIT

Catholics believe that the priests deserve to be forgive, deserve another chance at being a priest and that if they are dealt with internally they should not face the punishment of the law. That is what the Catholics believe, that is fact and it is not questionable.

You do not have the choice to believe that or not. You only have the choice to decide if you are Catholic or not.

Why haven't philogos and ISAW the two people that seem to know everything about the Catholic religion come on here and go mad and disagree like they normally do? Because they know I'm right and they can't disagree with anything.

qrrgprgua

GarIT wrote: »

Catholics believe that the priests deserve to be forgive, deserve another chance at being a priest and that if they are dealt with internally they should not face the punishment of the law. That is what the Catholics believe, that is fact and it is not questionable.

We don't. Its not a fact. And we are well able to talk for ourselves.

GarIT

marienbad wrote: »

By your logic of who is and who is'nt a catholic then a catholic who commits paedophilia is'nt a catholic either as it is a against catholic teaching , so that is that problem solved about supporting the church.

I don't think there are any Catholic teachings directed at paedophilia. I definitely don't know of them anyway. I know the majority of Catholics think it is wrong but I don't think it says it anywhere.

The only problem with that is, the priest would not be not believing, they would be committing a sin, which is allowed once they confess. Not believing in the Religion means you are not a Catholic, its not related to sinning.

I can be a Catholic and think killing is wrong. But I can kill someone, confess and still be a Catholic. I cannot think killing is wrong and still be a Catholic.

GarIT

qrrgprgua wrote: »

We don't. Its not a fact. And we are well able to talk for ourselves.

You are not a Catholic.

If you are a Catholic you believe in everything on a big long list of things. What I have said is one of them. If you disagree with any of them at all you are not a Catholic.

And for clarity, I did not mean someone that says they are a Catholic believes that. I meant someone that actually is a Catholic believes that.

Here is a simple test: Are you against, Homosexuals, Contraception and Abortion. If you are against any of those you cannot possible be a Catholic, at most you can be Christian. If you cannot understand that you have a very poor grasp of your religion.

marienbad

GarIT wrote: »

Catholics believe that the priests deserve to be forgive, deserve another chance at being a priest and that if they are dealt with internally they should not face the punishment of the law. That is what the Catholics believe, that is fact and it is not questionable.

You do not have the choice to believe that or not. You only have the choice to decide if you are Catholic or not.

Why haven't philogos and ISAW the two people that seem to know everything about the Catholic religion come on here and go mad and disagree like they normally do? Because they know I'm right and they can't disagree with anything.

Look GarIT, your view ( if you even believe it ) is just nonsensical. Isaw is I believe banned for a week and philologos I presume has more sense than to bother arguing with you.

You cannot condemn a whole class because of the actions of a few.

GarIT

You can take the definition of a tree for example, for something to be a tree it must have wood/bark and have branches and have leaves and go through photosyntheses, as well as lots of other things, if it doesn't do any of that it is not a tree.

To be a Catholic the person must be against homosexual acts and be against contraception and be against abortion and agree with the actions of every priest, as well as lots of other things, if you don't do any of that you are not a Catholic.

GarIT

marienbad wrote: »

Look GarIT, your view ( if you even believe it ) is just nonsensical. Isaw is I believe banned for a week and philologos I presume has more sense than to bother arguing with you.

You cannot condemn a whole class because of the actions of a few.

I am not condemning anyone. I have explained that I don't blame anyone who doesn't really follow all the Catholic rules but still says they are Catholic.

What I am trying to explain is not my view. It is the churches view. Call yourself a Catholic if you want. I was just trying to explain to people that if you don't agree with all those things you are not truly a Catholic.

Christianity defines what you believe in. Catholicism defines how you live.





I don't think ISAW should have been banned, I disagree with what he says, but to be fair he is normally spot on with how he says it. Something I've never been good at and even I manage not to get banned.

qrrgprgua

GarIT wrote: »

Here is a simple test: Are you against, Homosexuals

Well this statement sums it up completely. The Catholic Church is certainly not against homosexuals.

Sonics2k

qrrgprgua wrote: »

Well this statement sums it up completely. The Catholic Church is certainly not against homosexuals.

um...

GarIT

marienbad wrote: »

You cannot condemn a whole class because of the actions of a few.

I just really want to make it clear I don't think badly of anyone in that way. I'm just trying to make it clear that some people need to think about what they are declaring they belong to before they declare that they belong to it. That's why I would never call myself Catholic because of some of the horrible things it means I believe in.

GarIT

qrrgprgua wrote: »

Well this statement sums it up completely. The Catholic Church is certainly not against homosexuals.

You really don't know your religion. The offical stance of the RCC until recently was anyone that commits any homosexual act deserves the death penalty. Then it was changed to anyone that commits a homosexual act will go to hell (and I think that is regardless of if they go to confession).

GarIT

It would be so ironic if qrrgprgua was gay and he only realised now that the Pope wants to kill him.

robindch

^^^ WTF?

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