Disgusted by Catholics

GarIT

Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Catholic? There are so many sick minded people in that organisation that anyone that calls themselves a Roman Catholic just turns my stomach. How could anyone support what has been done. In my eyes anyone that says they are Catholic is saying that paedophilia is acceptable because it clearly wasn't enough to turn them away. The organisation of the Roman Catholic Church has so many corrupt representatives that I would consider anyone that could stand by them a sick minded person. There are many other good Christian religions that basically believe the same thing and that don't have the same history of paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse. Why would anyone be a Catholic?

Sarky

In Ireland? Because if you're religious but not catholic you're essentially a Protestant, and well, y'know, 800 years and all that petty stuff. That's obviously more important than demanding the church sort its sh*t out.

Disgust isn't a term I'd really use though. Truth be told catholicism isn't important enough to make me think about it with any great frequency. I'm typing this from work, where 90% of the staff are taking the day off due to "religious reasons". About half of those are actually hindu. Go figure.

Dave!

Not disgusted, no.

My 5 month old nephew did a poo the other day, and it went half way up his back and soaked through his baby grow. That disgusted me.

ISAW

hmmm try the following i just replaced catholic with "jew" and "pedophile " with "corrupt banking"

GarIT wrote: »

Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Jewish? There are so many sick minded people in that organisation that anyone that calls themselves a Jew just turns my stomach. How could anyone support what has been done. In my eyes anyone that says they are Jew is saying that corrupt bankers control is acceptable because it clearly wasn't enough to turn them away. The organisation of the Jews has so many corrupt representatives that I would consider anyone that could stand by them a sick minded person. There are many other good religions that basically believe the same thing and that don't have the same history of corruption, physical abuse. Why would anyone be a Jew?

Wile E. Coyote

GarIT wrote: »

Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Catholic? There are so many sick minded people in that organisation that anyone that calls themselves a Roman Catholic just turns my stomach. How could anyone support what has been done. In my eyes anyone that says they are Catholic is saying that paedophilia is acceptable because it clearly wasn't enough to turn them away. The organisation of the Roman Catholic Church has so many corrupt representatives that I would consider anyone that could stand by them a sick minded person. There are many other good Christian religions that basically believe the same thing and that don't have the same history of paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse. Why would anyone be a Catholic?

Thats a bit of a sweeping statement. I wonder how many atheists are involved in paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse or are they purely confined to the catholic church?

yeah corrupt banking is exactly the same thing
wtf

take your stupid equivocations elsewhere

ISAW

GarIT wrote: »

There are many other good Christian religions that basically believe the same thing and that don't have the same history of paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse. Why would anyone be a Catholic?

What "pedophile rings" do you refer to which are in the roman Catholic church?

What evidence do you have of pedophile abuse to comparable level outside the roman C C?

Pedophile for the sake of argument is sex acts involving pre pubescent children.

My name is URL

In my eyes anyone that says they are Catholic is saying that paedophilia is acceptable because it clearly wasn't enough to turn them away.

Do you apply that same way of thinking to other aspects of life? Is anyone who doesn't give up their citizenship of Ireland, due to its history; a tacit supporter of terrorism?

Do you consider all Germans that lived through the war to be supportive of Nazism, all Afghans to be enablers of suicide bombers? It's a pretty dumb position to take.

Sarky

That'd be a swell argument, if members of jewish organisations were being told from the top down to avoid reporting their members to the authorities for child rape.

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Wile E. Coyote

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah corrupt banking is exactly the same thing
wtf

take your stupid equivocations elsewhere

I think the point he's making is that you could replace Catholic with any other religion or nationality and find something to be disgusted by.

ISAW

bluewolf wrote: »

yeah corrupt banking is exactly the same thing
wtf

take your stupid equivocations elsewhere

Nope picking out any religion or racial group and attributing a particular crime to them is exactly the same thing - bigotry. In this case anti catholic bigotry!

ISAW

Sarky wrote: »

That'd be a swell argument, if members of jewish organisations were being told from the top down to avoid reporting their members to the authorities for child rape.

and your evidence that the Pope or Vatican is telling people not to report child rape is????

nickcave

ISAW wrote: »

Nope picking out any religion or racial group and attributing a particular crime to them is exactly the same thing - bigotry. In this case anti catholic bigotry!

Intolerance of criminality isn't bigotry - it's the responsible thing to do.

And yes, widespread systemic collusion to cover up evidence of child sex abuse within the church; face-saving policies implemented form the very top of the church hierarchy without any sort of regard for the victims; scuppering and obstructing lawful investigations of said abuse cases - these all teeter on their own fine line between moral reprehensibility and outright criminal thuggery.

See the Murphy Report, etc.

Sarky

Well, there's this to start with. And even you wouldn't deny that priests who did the despicable things they did were moved around all hush hush than far more than they were actually punished. Well, actually, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you DID deny it.

Of course, you won't actually accept anything other than the pope standing up and shouting "MUAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA! It was my evil plan all along!", will you?

GarIT

ISAW wrote: »

What "pedophile rings" do you refer to which are in the roman Catholic church?

What evidence do you have of pedophile abuse to comparable level outside the roman C C?

Pedophile for the sake of argument is sex acts involving pre pubescent children.

I believe the Church as a whole is a paedophile ring. Levels I don't know but everyday I see another priest on the news with something to do with child abuse, hardly ever see anyone else, maybe 5 to 10 a year.

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Thats a bit of a sweeping statement. I wonder how many atheists are involved in paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse or are they purely confined to the catholic church?

No its not, but I don't see any other organisations where the origination lies to the outside world and moves its members around to avoid them being caught.

ISAW wrote: »

and your evidence that the Pope or Vatican is telling people not to report child rape is????

The pope is known to move priests around to avoid them being prosecuted and uses excuses like sending them to Africa to promote the faith.

GarIT

What about that priest in N.I. with the gay porn, if the church was half the organisation they said it was he would have been told to f off and never come near a church again. But no, we have another internal investigation.

Wile E. Coyote

GarIT wrote: »

What about that priest in N.I. with the gay porn, if the church was half the organisation they said it was he would have been told to f off and never come near a church again. But no, we have another internal investigation.

Is gay porn illegal?

Twin-go

The RC church is a disgusting, greedy, outdated institution.

The RC faith is just a childish waste of time, as are all religions.

People should leave there faith not because of the actions of some sick people and the cover-ups by its leaders but because the have questioned it and everything it stands for.

ISAW

nickcave wrote: »

Intolerance of criminality isn't bigotry - it's the responsible thing to do.

And yes, widespread systemic collusion to cover up evidence of child sex abuse within the church; face-saving policies implemented form the very top of the church hierarchy without any sort of regard for the victims; scuppering and obstructing lawful investigations of said abuse cases - these all teeter on their own fine line between moral reprehensibility and outright criminal thuggery.

See the Murphy Report, etc.

which is a report into the Dublin diocese? and not of the other 10,000 or so diocese in the world
http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/la.html

anyway where does it show "widespread collusion" even within the Dublin Diocese?
where does it show two or more bishops meeting and decide to "cover up" "obstruct justice" or "collude"? What instance of hierarchical "thuggery" were involved in pedophile sex cases?

You claimed em so you provide the cases!

ISAW

GarIT wrote: »

What about that priest in N.I. with the gay porn, if the church was half the organisation they said it was he would have been told to f off and never come near a church again. But no, we have another internal investigation.

this was not in the Republic of Ireland but in any case
Where is your evidence and how does it involve pedophile abuse and cover up by a bishop?

GarIT

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

Is gay porn illegal?

No, but it is against the rules of the church. And the church seems to have an obsession with going against it but when it comes to this they do nothing.

ISAW wrote: »

You claimed em so you provide the cases!

You do realise anytime anyone say that to you yo have a big hissyfit over why you shouldn't and don't have to.

You prove that the church is a genuine organisation, that there is actually truth in its beliefs and that there is any other purpose in the church other than being a criminal organisation. Then well will say why we disagree.

Actually why don't you put up any decent argument as to why you disagree and that there is some facts behind it, then we will show our proof.

mcmoustache

ISAW wrote: »

and your evidence that the Pope or Vatican is telling people not to report child rape is????

Did you miss Storeros 1997 letter or are you just being willfully ignorant?

You've asked for evidense for Roman Church complicity in the coverups over the last few years and it has been given to you multiple times. Despite that you sill keep demanding it as though it were all new to you.

Seriously, your denial is getting ridiculous at this stage. The only people who believe your line of thinking are other Roman Church members. No one outside of that club could possibly believe your nonsense about the Roman Church being innocent in the abuse scandals.

Sarky

Oh, that just proves someone wrote a letter. Where's the evidence that the whole lot of them sat around and agreed to it? Eh? EH?

GarIT

ISAW wrote: »

this was not in the Republic of Ireland but in any case
Where is your evidence and how does it involve pedophile abuse and cover up by a bishop?

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news3/2003_01_15_Fenske_GoodPriest_Joseph_Lang.htm

The priest was shipped out of Cleveland without fanfare. One minute he was facing allegations that he'd raped a young male parishioner. The next, he was gone. There may have been other stops along the way, but this much is certain: After fielding the accusation, the Cleveland diocese sent Father Joseph Lang to Connecticut's Institute for Living for psychiatric treatment, according to a former diocesan official. In 1988, he was loaned to a diocese in remote British Columbia. There he stayed for 14 quiet years.

ISAW

GarIT wrote: »

I believe the Church as a whole is a paedophile ring.

what do you define as a "pedophile ring"?
where is your evidence?

Levels I don't know

so you admit you dont know ? that you argue from ignorance.

but everyday I see another priest on the news with something to do with child abuse,

Okay of the 365 days in the last year lets pick two weeks at random. Say the first week in March and September. Can you show me three of the the seven priests a week "daily" claim of yours? from each of those weeks? Ill bet you cant show one in Ireland in the last ten years! And remember you claimed "pedophile rings" as well!

hardly ever see anyone else, maybe 5 to 10 a year.

there are well over 200 convictions a year for child sex related offences in ireland.
There are not ANY as far as I know let alone five to ten a year for Catholic priests in the last ten years.
You are arguing from ignorance and promoting what you want to be true. You are doing the same on catholics and catholic Prisets that was done on Jews. Matter of fact the only widespread case i can think of in the last year is the fr Reynolds case which was torally wrong but you probably remember it as another proof of pedophile priests case

No its not, but I don't see any other organisations where the origination lies to the outside world and moves its members around to avoid them being caught.

And again Ill ask you HOW many cases do you have of the Vatican moving a pedophile priest around of lying about an offence?

The pope is known to move priests around to avoid them being prosecuted and uses excuses like sending them to Africa to promote the faith.

And again your evidence is???

longhalloween

Is it possible to be Catholic but not support the Church?

Sarky

ISAW, this is why we can't have nice things.

longhalloween wrote: »

Is it possible to be Catholic but not support the Church?

Not according to the Church.

ISAW

mcmoustache wrote: »

Did you miss Storeros 1997 letter or are you just being willfully ignorant?

You've asked for evidense for Roman Church complicity in the coverups over the last few years and it has been given to you multiple times. Despite that you sill keep demanding it as though it were all new to you.

Where?
just list the messages where evidence of coverup by the Vatican was given.

Seriously, your denial is getting ridiculous at this stage. The only people who believe your line of thinking are other Roman Church members. No one outside of that club could possibly believe your nonsense about the Roman Church being innocent in the abuse scandals.

that is a sweeping statement. It isnt fpor me to prove innocence. It is for them claiming criminal guilt to prove it!
As for people outside of the RCC.

whether or not a High court Judge is Catholic is not the issue.
the court has upheld the defamation claims by Fr Reynolds
do you hold the court in contempt?

GarIT

ISAW wrote: »

what do you define as a "pedophile ring"?
where is your evidence?


so you admit you dont know ? that you argue from ignorance.



Okay of the 365 days in the last year lets pick two weeks at random. Say the first week in March and September. Can you show me three of the the seven priests a week "daily" claim of yours? from each of those weeks? Ill bet you cant show one in Ireland in the last ten years! And remember you claimed "pedophile rings" as well!



there are well over 200 convictions a year for child sex related offences in ireland.
There are not ANY as far as I know let alone five to ten a year for Catholic priests in the last ten years.
You are arguing from ignorance and promoting what you want to be true. You are doing the same on catholics and catholic Prisets that was done on Jews. Matter of fact the only widespread case i can think of in the last year is the fr Reynolds case which was torally wrong but you probably remember it as another proof of pedophile priests case



And again Ill ask you HOW many cases do you have of the Vatican moving a pedophile priest around of lying about an offence?



And again your evidence is???

I'm sick of this, you have seen it all already. Ignorance haha, go and ask your magical superpower father that somehow designed you, impregnated a virgin and claims to be compassionate and leaves 3 billion people without the basic necessities to survive.

longhalloween wrote: »

Is it possible to be Catholic but not support the Church?

No, that was one of my points. Saying you are a Catholic means you support the Catholic Church in its actions. Saying you are Christian only means you only believe.

Gregor Samsa

GarIT wrote: »

Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Catholic?

I have to say, I'm not. I'm diametrically opposed to almost every tenet of the RCC, I believe that the very way in which it's organised is corrupt, bigoted and megalomaniacal. I'm certainly disgusted by many things that the Church does and says, and am sometimes disgusted by things that some Catholics do and say in the name of the Church. I'm also of the firm belief that there are many other denominations that would actually be much better suited to the religious beliefs of many Irish people that profess to be Catholic.

But I'm certainly not disgusted by people that say they are Catholic, and would gladly defend their right to identify as such if that is their wish.

GarIT

ISAW wrote: »

Where?
just list the messages where evidence of coverup by the Vatican was given.



that is a sweeping statement. It isnt fpor me to prove innocence. It is for them claiming criminal guilt to prove it!
As for people outside of the RCC.

whether or not a High court Judge is Catholic is not the issue.
the court has upheld the defamation claims by Fr Reynolds
do you hold the court in contempt?

I agree on the Fr Reynolds case, but its funny how one of the about 15 priests on that show disagreed with what was said about them.

It is also a sweeping statement for you to say there is a higher power. It is not for me to prove you wrong it is for you to prove yourself right.

ISAW

GarIT wrote: »

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news3/2003_01_15_Fenske_GoodPriest_Joseph_Lang.htm

You offer this as evidence of five cases of colludion a week currently?

1. It does not refer to Ireland but to the Us and Canada ...no matter.
2. "Most of the allegations, Miller says, predated the 1990s. "
3. "Even Bishop Gerald Wiesner, appointed five years after Lang's arrival in British Columbia, didn't know of his past,"
4. "almost all the allegations against local priests came before the 1999 revision"
5. "Even more heartbreaking, some victims had told "mandatory reporters" like teachers, who failed to make a report." -teachers state officials not Chruch ones
6. "Consider Lang. The diocesan source is convinced the priest's move to Canada was no coincidence. Arguing that the diocese moved him to avoid repercussions isn't much of a stretch."

in other words this is a possible case of a US bishop moving an abusing priest. Even if true it is hardly "widespread" or a "pedophile ring" is it?

SteppingStone

Disgusted by you!

ISAW

GarIT wrote: »

I agree on the Fr Reynolds case, but its funny how one of the about 15 priests on that show disagreed with what was said about them.

no it isnt funny. it is you saying you agree with something and then trying to case doubt in it.

It is also a sweeping statement for you to say there is a higher power. It is not for me to prove you wrong it is for you to prove yourself right.

where did i say that? "High court" was what i mentioned.

Wile E. Coyote

GarIT wrote: »

I'm sick of this, you have seen it all already. Ignorance haha, go and ask your magical superpower father that somehow designed you, impregnated a virgin and claims to be compassionate and leaves 3 billion people without the basic necessities to survive.

You asked the question and started the thread but now because it hasn't turned into a big anti catholic rant you decide you're sick of it and have a childish pop at someone who disagrees with you?

Not everyone who calls themselves catholic agrees with everything the church has done. They have faith in their believe and who are you question them?

Do people who call themselves German also disgust you? They started both world wars and killed millions. How about anyone who calls themselves British? Apart from what they did in Ireland they spent hundreds of years murdering millions while going around colonising the world.

ISAW

SteppingStone wrote: »

Disgusted by you!

try dealing with the argument instead of attacking the person making it.

ISAW

GarIT wrote: »

I'm sick of this, you have seen it all already. Ignorance haha, go and ask your magical superpower father that somehow designed you, impregnated a virgin and claims to be compassionate and leaves 3 billion people without the basic necessities to survive.
...
No, that was one of my points. Saying you are a Catholic means you support the Catholic Church in its actions. Saying you are Christian only means you only believe.

does anyone wonder if this poster is anti Catholic?

Balmed Out

Disgusted by Catholics Irish

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Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Catholic Irish
? There are so many sick minded people in that organisation country that anyone that calls themselves Catholics Irish
just turns my stomach. How could anyone support what has been done. In my eyes anyone that says they are Catholics Irish
is saying that paedophilia is acceptable because it clearly wasn't enough to turn them away. The organisation country of the Catholics Irish
has so many corrupt representatives that I would consider anyone that could stand by them a sick minded person. There are many other good Christian religions nations that basically believe the same thing and that don't have the same history of paedophile rings, child porn, and physical abuse. Why would anyone be Catholics Irish
?


Im not a pactising catholic or believer but I think the horrible actions of many in our history and the story surrounding it shows failures in our whole society as well as the church. Yes the church needs to kop itself on and move away from its medieval mindset but you cant just parcel all of the blame on it.

Should we ban swimming too? Two (or even 3?) national team coaches of the past have been either paedo or pedrophilles.

What about the scouts?

Sarky

Balmed Out wrote: »

Yes the church needs to kop itself on and move away from its medieval mindset but you cant just parcel all of the blame on it.

Well who else is to blame for the church failing to deal with the problem of church members abusing children? Is it the government's fault that known abusers were moved about to different parishes so they could offend again? Is it perhaps Revenue to blame for priests being told not to report their colleagues to the authorities? Maybe it was Coilte who tried to shift the blame on to gay people, non-catholics, and even the victims themselves?

I'm afraid that yes, you CAN blame the church for the church's problems. And you can blame them entirely for it. They have nobody to blame but themselves. Nobody else is to blame for their failure to deal with it, or their frankly mind-boggling attempts to weasel out of responsibility.

Should we ban swimming too? Two (or even 3?) national team coaches of the past have been either paedo or pedrophilles.

What about the scouts?

How many swimming coaches and scout leaders continue to be swimming coaches and scout leaders after it emerges they've raped children? Are they just moved to different swimming pools and camps?

marienbad

No I am not disgusted by catholics , why should I be ? The organisation maybe but individuals catholics not at all.

I am sure all of them are as revolted as you are .

GarIT

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

You asked the question and started the thread but now because it hasn't turned into a big anti catholic rant you decide you're sick of it and have a childish pop at someone who disagrees with you?

Not everyone who calls themselves catholic agrees with everything the church has done. They have faith in their believe and who are you question them?

Do people who call themselves German also disgust you? They started both world wars and killed millions. How about anyone who calls themselves British? Apart from what they did in Ireland they spent hundreds of years murdering millions while going around colonising the world.

See this is where people don't understand. Saying I am Catholic means "I agree with everything the catholic church says". That is the rules of the church, you you don't agree with what they do you are not catholic. If you say "I am a Christian" it means you believe in Jesus, god and everything else.

ISAW wrote: »

does anyone wonder if this poster is anti Catholic?

No, I think they all know the answer.

ISAW wrote: »

no it isnt funny. it is you saying you agree with something and then trying to case doubt in it.


where did i say that? "High court" was what i mentioned.

I agree that one of those priests was innocent of one of the crimes he was accused of, all the others I believe are guilty.

It is nothing to do with what you said, it was an assumption. I doubt an atheist would preach all day about how they believe in god.

GarIT

marienbad wrote: »

No I am not disgusted by catholics , why should I be ? The organisation maybe but individuals catholics not at all.

I am sure all of them are as revolted as you are .

But saying that you are catholic means you support them, why not be any of the other Christian denominations.

How anyone could want to be a member of an organisation that supports this baffles me http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056598505

robindch

GarIT wrote: »

Why would anyone be a Catholic?

Right question, wrong attitude.

/thread

GarIT

robindch wrote: »

Right question, wrong attitude.

/thread

It probably was. I just think if I was a devout Catholic one bad priest would be enough to make me leave. Even if I agreed with everything the church said I'd be gone after the Incident in N.I. never mind anything else that went on.

GarIT

GarIT wrote: »

Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Catholic?

King Billy's On The Wall........


AMIRITE?

GarIT

Deleted User wrote: »

King Billy's On The Wall........


AMIRITE?

Nope, I'm a nationalist, I'm just not religious.

Chuck Stone

Your disgust should probably flow out to wider civil society too.

There was a serious dearth of civil courage in this country and a lot more people knew what was going on in the RCC than care to admit imho.

the culture of deference

phutyle wrote: »

I have to say, I'm not. I'm diametrically opposed to almost every tenet of the RCC, I believe that the very way in which it's organised is corrupt, bigoted and megalomaniacal.

catholics are indoctrinated, which means they are incapable of rational questioning. you see it by the way ISAW posts.

ISAW aside from abusing children and covering it up

what about 50,000 kidnap adoptions and selling babies around the world

nazi assistance in WW2

extermination of natives in the USA, crusades,

Carlos_Ray

No I'm not disgusted. If I was to follow your logic I should also be disgusted by people who call themselves German because people carried out the holocaust in the name of Germany. Or I should be disgusted by Americans because crimes have been carried out under the banner of American patriotism.

If on the other hand , if was part of the catholic ethos to abuse children or ,if it was something they preached then of course I'd be disgusted. But they don't.

Some people will always abuse their positions of power. It certainly isn't unique to the catholic church. Plenty of non catholic boarding schools in the UK and swimming clubs, creches etc have had major child abuse scandals. Its a human problem, not one restricted to the catholic church.

I'm not religious, but I think your logic, i.e that someone saying they are a catholic is essentially the same as saying they agree with paedophilia, is ridiculous.

WolfgangWeisen

I'm surprised so many here are pandering to the exploits of what is clearly a troll.

Anyway, no, I'm not disgusted when people tell me they're a Catholic, simply because the overwhelming majority of those saying it simply do not even know what being a Catholic is. I feel nothing but pity for them, and anger at society for not having evolved sufficiently yet to have discarded such superstitious nonsense. Their eagerness to label themselves as a Catholic shows their insecurity and sheer ignorance and is a failing of their parents, our education system and indeed science itself to spread its beautiful knowledge into the minds of said people.

Nay, not disgust. The only people who "disgust" me are those who claim science and religion are compatible.

GarIT

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

No I'm not disgusted. If I was to follow your logic I should also be disgusted by people who call themselves German because people carried out the holocaust in the name of Germany. Or I should be disgusted by Americans because crimes have been carried out under the banner of American patriotism.

If on the other hand , if was part of the catholic ethos to abuse children or ,if it was something they preached then of course I'd be disgusted. But they don't.

Some people will always abuse their positions of power. It certainly isn't unique to the catholic church. Plenty of non catholic boarding schools in the UK and swimming clubs, creches etc have had major child abuse scandals. Its a human problem, not one restricted to the catholic church.

I'm not religious, but I think your logic, i.e that someone saying they are a catholic is essentially the same as saying they agree with paedophilia, is ridiculous.

No its not the world wars were in the past, the church are still doing things like this in modern day. And I've never heard a German person say they were proud of Hitler, but loads of people are probably proud of the pope.

Anyone else would loose their power when something happens, Catholics just get moved to countries that don't have extradition.