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Would you like to leave the Catholic Church?

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    #32
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    If someone tells you that you're a Catholic because you were baptised, just wave your hand over their head and tell them that's the initiation process for your own religion.

    Then ask them if they're gonna write "Daveist" on the next census. I'll bet not.


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    #33
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    smash wrote: »
    If I remember correctly there was a website set up by an independent group to allow you leave the catholic church but then the church changed the rules so an intermediary couldn't process the requests.

    Was this the site?

    http://www.countmeout.ie/


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    #34
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    woodoo wrote: »
    Was this the site?

    http://www.countmeout.ie/
    Looks like it. They were on primetime after the church changed the rules.


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    #35
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    Funny how they accept 8 week old babies who don't join of their own accord but don't allow adults to leave of their own accord. That's a cult, and fairly fúcked up.


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    #36
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    edgecutter wrote: »
    We will find that many will want to leave, as if it is being cool not being part of the church or religion in general. Yes things need to change in the Catholic religion, but a lot of the teachings from religion could really benefit our children, as society seems to be getting worse.

    I for one will stay with the catholic church.

    None of those teachings could benefit anyone, being manipulated into believing in farytales isn't good for anyone. In general I'm a good person and its nothing to do with any church.
    smash wrote: »
    During the last census a women called to my house and when she asked about religion the conversations went:

    Me: none
    her: did you go to a catholic school
    Me: yes
    her: Will I put you down as catholic then
    Me: Eh no. I said none!

    You should have reported her, its illegal for her to make a suggestion like that. They can explain the question to you but not tell you how to answer. Why weren't you filling out the forum yourself?


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    #37
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Many have already left the RC and joined the increasing number of independent churches.


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    #38
    efb
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    I sent them a wire stating, "PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER".


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    #39
    marty1985
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    GarIT wrote: »
    The preoccupation is because they are a pure evil organisation

    Nice demonising there. You should have been a bishop in 1950s Ireland.


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    #40
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Yes, but sneaky fcukers the church are wont let you.


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    #41
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    smash wrote: »
    Isn't it funny how a lot of people will complain about FF politics and then go to church on a Sunday.

    Strangely I always saw FF as the most Catholic political party.

    Its funny just before elections to ask if the people that come to the door if the person they represent is a good catholic and then when they say yes reply with "I'm definitely never voting for him so."


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    #42
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    GarIT wrote: »
    Why weren't you filling out the forum yourself?

    I already said it wasn't complete when she came to collect it.


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    #43
    marty1985
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    efb wrote: »
    I sent them a wire stating, "PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER".

    Eh? Low self-esteem?


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    #44
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    marty1985 wrote: »
    Nice demonising there. You should have been a bishop in 1950s Ireland.

    Sorry I only date adult women.


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    #45
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Yes I'd like to leave the church. When they say they represent millions of people I dont want to be counted in that number.


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    #46
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    Biggins wrote: »
    Yes.

    why do they not let you leave can you get kicked out ?
    I got some creative ideas on that one gimmie a shout i l buck you up :cool::D


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    #47
    doomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭doomed


    If I decide that I no longer belong then the internal rules of the club, aka Canon law, no longer apply to me. I now list my religion on the census as "none" and to be honest I don't give a FF whether in some recess of parish records I am still included as one of the flock.


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    #48
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    you know when you change banks or phone provider the new one contacts the previous one and does the hand over,

    could you not just join another religion* and get them to do the migration and paperwork and stuff,


    *best to check the terms and conditions to see what the minimum contract is


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    #49
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Snowie wrote: »
    why do they not let you leave can you get kicked out ?
    I got some creative ideas on that one gimmie a shout i l buck you up :cool::D

    You can be excommunicated, it actually used to be a ceremony in its self that involved loads of black candles and a funeral bell toll.:pac:


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    #50
    LisaLee
    Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭LisaLee


    I wish I could leave, both my fiance and I were baptised into the Catholic Church but don't follow its teachings. We've chosen not to baptise any of our children and let them choose their own faith (If they feel the need to choose one). I'd rather they live by the ethos of 'Treat everyone as you'd like to be treated, and if they're a prick to you then f*ck em, their problem' :D


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    #51
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    You can be excommunicated, it actually used to be a ceremony in its self that involved loads of black candles and a funeral bell toll.:pac:

    The Pope has said that being excommunicated does not remove you from being a Catholic, it just means they don't want you involved in the church, mass and stuff.


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    #52
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    LisaLee wrote: »
    I wish I could leave, both my fiance and I were baptised into the Catholic Church but don't follow its teachings. We've chosen not to baptise any of our children and let them choose their own faith (If they feel the need to choose one). I'd rather they live by the ethos of 'Treat everyone as you'd like to be treated, and if they're a prick to you then f*ck em, their problem' :D

    stickin it to the man :cool:


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    #53
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    No.


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    #54
    superstoner90
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    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    No I'm saying that the majority of people who answer this thread will say that they do want to leave, I personally do not.

    Aw got ya.


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    #55
    Sleepy
    Registered Users Posts: 24,152 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd rather raise it to the ground but for the purposes of your question, my answer is 'Yes'.


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    #56
    SerialComplaint
    Registered Users Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭SerialComplaint


    Kess73 wrote: »
    You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

    The Church doesn't get funding from the State. The 'official figures' are those produced by the CSO from the Census, not those produced by the Church. I was kind-of amazed and disappointed to see that Census 2011 showed 84% of people declaring themselves to be Catholic.


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    #57
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Kess73 wrote: »
    You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.
    How many times does this misconception have to be repeated?

    The only "official figure" that the RCC and the government use is the census. The RCC's baptismal records are just that... a record of any and all baptisms that took place in a particular church. They are not used to keep account of the number of Catholics in Ireland for the simple reason that there are many Roman Catholics living in Ireland who were baptised outside of Ireland. I'm not even a Catholic (Nor have I ever been one) but I would have thought all of this was common knowledge.

    As for the baptismal register, the same way you can't remove yourself from the register of live births just because you don't want it to be recorded that you were born in Ireland, you can't remove yourself from the baptismal register. It's a historical record of past events. Unless you can go back in time and change history, as far as i'm concerned there's no sense in removing people from a church's baptismal records.


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    #58
    AgileMyth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭AgileMyth


    Don't consider myself a member anyways, though I was christened and confirmed. I didn't have capacity to contract at the time of either..

    Frankly the church plays so small a part in my life I really don't care if they consider me a member or not. They are nothing to me.


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    #59
    Crea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Crea


    TBH I don't believe in fundatmental parts of the religion like transubstantiation and that Mary was born without sin so i'd prefer to opt out. I think that's a good enough reason.


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    #60
    Agricola
    Registered Users Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Personally I don't care enough about the subject to actually physically go about formally leaving, but without doubt the process of extricating yourself from the church should be made relatively easy if only to put a stop to fiasco's like the Census 2011 results.


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    #61
    Witchie
    Registered Users Posts: 5,597 ✭✭✭Witchie


    I only stayed with them until my youngest got into the school he is now in 2nd year in.

    I insist in Hospitals etc that they put me down as no religion but have had to fight with many nurses to ensure they do. Thankfully in recent years they are starting to listen to me.


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