Would you like to leave the Catholic Church?

woodoo

The Holy See confirmed at the end of August 2010 that it was introducing changes to Canon Law and as a result it will no longer be possible to formally defect from the Catholic Church. This will not alter the fact that many people can defect from the Church, and continue to do so, albeit not through a formal process. This is a change that will affect the Church throughout the world. The Archdiocese of Dublin plans to maintain a register to note the expressed desire of those who wish to defect. Details will be communicated to those involved in the process when they are finalised. In 2010 229 people formally defected from the Church through the Archdiocese of Dublin. Up until July 2011 312 defected.

Would you like to leave the Catholic Church?

Biggins

Yes.

AboutTwoFiddy

If you don't believe in it you've left it. It's not as if we're branded or something.

superstoner90

Down with this sortha thing.

I Heart Internet

No

Birneybau

Already left.

Before they changed their terms and conditions.

GarIT

I don't think what they think effects me but I would prefer if they didn't consider me one of them.

Kess73

AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »

If you don't believe in it you've left it. It's not as if we're branded or something.

You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

Rabidlamb

I'd like to leave it in tatters the fairytale spreading misinformation crime covering operation it is !!!!.
Put me down for a Yes.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The question is redundant really, judging from past Catholic threads the answer will be a resounding yes. I for one however do not wish to leave.

MadameGascar

I want to leave but they won't let me.

I'm Catholic and that's that!

Remmy

I'm probably like many in that I was born and raised roman catholic but I dont go to mass or anything. What implications does this Canon law change have if I want to go hog wild in the future and decide to switch to Judaism or something?

superstoner90

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The question is redundant really, judging from past Catholic threads the answer will be a resounding yes. I for one however do not wish to leave.

So you do want to leave, but you dont?

RobbieTheRobber

AboutTwoFiddy wrote: »

If you don't believe in it you've left it. It's not as if we're branded or something.

This is it really, it doesnt affect me in my daily life. I dont feel burdened by it and I really dont care if they think im part of their stupid club.

I wont christian my children and I wont get married in a church. So it seems like regardless of what they think, I actually make the decision to be part of their belief system or not.

I choose not to believe!

philologos

What is the preoccupation with Catholicism on AH about?

To answer the question, I wasn't ever in it. Even if I was ever in it, I wouldn't particularly care if I was on some dusty record somewhere. If one isn't a part of something, one isn't a part of it.

woodoo

Birneybau wrote: »

Already left.

Before they changed their terms and conditions.

Did you get a letter of the Church?

There must have been a lot leaving around the world if the Pope stepped in to trey and block the process.

edgecutter

We will find that many will want to leave, as if it is being cool not being part of the church or religion in general. Yes things need to change in the Catholic religion, but a lot of the teachings from religion could really benefit our children, as society seems to be getting worse.

I for one will stay with the catholic church.

smash

During the last census a women called to my house and when she asked about religion the conversations went:

Me: none
her: did you go to a catholic school
Me: yes
her: Will I put you down as catholic then
Me: Eh no. I said none!

philologos wrote: »

What is the preoccupation with Catholicism on AH about?

Mainly about the fact that it's a pile of **** to be honest.

Leftist

if you don't go to church and you don't believe in the story then you're not a member. Regardless of what the pope says.

DEFTLEFTHAND

superstoner90 wrote: »

So you do want to leave, but you dont?

No I'm saying that the majority of people who answer this thread will say that they do want to leave, I personally do not.

Duckworth_Luas

smash wrote: »

During the last census a women called to my house and when she asked about religion the conversations went:

Me: none
her: did you go to a catholic school
Me: yes
her: Will I put you down as catholic then
Me: Eh no. I said none!



Mainly about the fact that it's a pile of **** to be honest.

Why would the enumerator fill out your form on your doorstep? The form was to be filled out by the head of your household on census night.

Did you just make up that story?

starviewadams

My dad had to write to a bishop or catholic wizard or something to tell them he was officialy opting out of the church years ago.

Never been a member of it myself,nor have any of my siblings.

smash

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

Why would the enumerator fill out your form on your doorstep? The form was to be filled out by the head of your household on census night.

Did you just make up that story?

No, the form was incomplete when she was going through it upon collection.

Dave!

I'd prefer if the state would just stop giving a **** about how many members some silly club has.

woodoo

smash wrote: »

During the last census a women called to my house and when she asked about religion the conversations went:

Me: none
her: did you go to a catholic school
Me: yes
her: Will I put you down as catholic then
Me: Eh no. I said none!

Its for that reason among others that it would be important to have an officially recognised way of leaving. There would be far to many who would have the same attitude as that woman. It would just be.. "ah, tommy is just going through a phase, he'll snap out of it he is still a catholic" etc.

To have a letter from the Vatican or whatever saying Mr/Mrs X has officially defected from the church would be a more powerful statement.

The old attitude that if you were born/batpised a Catholic then you are always a catholic is quite hard to shake in this country.

GarIT

Kess73 wrote: »

You would still be listed as being part of it in the official figures, and I think that those figures have a bearing on funding etc the church can get in Ireland. I'm sure someone with more knowledge on that than I can either confirm or debunk that.

Anything like funding and schools is done by the Census. The government don't listen to the church's claim of numbers. The church at one stage said it had more Catholics on their books in Ireland than there were people. There also known to keep dead people on forever if they don't have a Catholic funeral or if the family don't know where the person was baptised.

MetalDog

woodoo wrote: »

Its for that reason among others that it would be important to have an officially recognised way of leaving. There would be far to many who would have the same attitude as that woman. It would just be.. "ah, tommy is just going through a phase, he'll snap out of it he is still a catholic" etc.

To have a letter from the Vatican or whatever saying Mr/Mrs X has officially defected from the church would be a more powerful statement.

The old attitude that if you were born/batpised a Catholic then you are always a catholic is quite hard to shake in this country.

Spot on. This country needs to grow up bigtime and stop being in thrall to Rome.

Deus Ex Machina

I filled in the "other" section of religion part of the census with "Semi-professional load blower 8======D~~~~"

I, for one, do care what silly clubs people are members of, forward, onwards and upwards with the semi-professional load blowers of Ireland!

smash

woodoo wrote: »

Its for that reason among others that it would be important to have an officially recognised way of leaving. There would be far to many who would have the same attitude as that woman.

If I remember correctly there was a website set up by an independent group to allow you leave the catholic church but then the church changed the rules so an intermediary couldn't process the requests.

GarIT

philologos wrote: »

What is the preoccupation with Catholicism on AH about?

To answer the question, I wasn't ever in it. Even if I was ever in it, I wouldn't particularly care if I was on some dusty record somewhere. If one isn't a part of something, one isn't a part of it.

The preoccupation is because they are a pure evil organisation that have committed more crimes in the country than any other organisation in this country and many people wan't them out.

smash

GarIT wrote: »

The preoccupation is because they are a pure evil organisation that have committed more crimes in the country than any other organisation in this country and many people wan't them out.

Isn't it funny how a lot of people will complain about FF politics and then go to church on a Sunday.

Dave!

If someone tells you that you're a Catholic because you were baptised, just wave your hand over their head and tell them that's the initiation process for your own religion.

Then ask them if they're gonna write "Daveist" on the next census. I'll bet not.

woodoo

smash wrote: »

If I remember correctly there was a website set up by an independent group to allow you leave the catholic church but then the church changed the rules so an intermediary couldn't process the requests.

Was this the site?

http://www.countmeout.ie/

smash

woodoo wrote: »

Was this the site?

http://www.countmeout.ie/

Looks like it. They were on primetime after the church changed the rules.

St.Spodo

Funny how they accept 8 week old babies who don't join of their own accord but don't allow adults to leave of their own accord. That's a cult, and fairly fúcked up.

GarIT

edgecutter wrote: »

We will find that many will want to leave, as if it is being cool not being part of the church or religion in general. Yes things need to change in the Catholic religion, but a lot of the teachings from religion could really benefit our children, as society seems to be getting worse.

I for one will stay with the catholic church.

None of those teachings could benefit anyone, being manipulated into believing in farytales isn't good for anyone. In general I'm a good person and its nothing to do with any church.

smash wrote: »

During the last census a women called to my house and when she asked about religion the conversations went:

Me: none
her: did you go to a catholic school
Me: yes
her: Will I put you down as catholic then
Me: Eh no. I said none!

You should have reported her, its illegal for her to make a suggestion like that. They can explain the question to you but not tell you how to answer. Why weren't you filling out the forum yourself?

Run_to_da_hills

Many have already left the RC and joined the increasing number of independent churches.

efb

I sent them a wire stating, "PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER".

marty1985

GarIT wrote: »

The preoccupation is because they are a pure evil organisation

Nice demonising there. You should have been a bishop in 1950s Ireland.

krudler

Yes, but sneaky fcukers the church are wont let you.

GarIT

smash wrote: »

Isn't it funny how a lot of people will complain about FF politics and then go to church on a Sunday.

Strangely I always saw FF as the most Catholic political party.

Its funny just before elections to ask if the people that come to the door if the person they represent is a good catholic and then when they say yes reply with "I'm definitely never voting for him so."

smash

GarIT wrote: »

Why weren't you filling out the forum yourself?

I already said it wasn't complete when she came to collect it.

marty1985

efb wrote: »

I sent them a wire stating, "PLEASE ACCEPT MY RESIGNATION. I DON'T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT PEOPLE LIKE ME AS A MEMBER".

Eh? Low self-esteem?

GarIT

marty1985 wrote: »

Nice demonising there. You should have been a bishop in 1950s Ireland.

Sorry I only date adult women.

pragmatic1

Yes I'd like to leave the church. When they say they represent millions of people I dont want to be counted in that number.

Snowie

Biggins wrote: »

Yes.

why do they not let you leave can you get kicked out ?
I got some creative ideas on that one gimmie a shout i l buck you up :cool::D

doomed

If I decide that I no longer belong then the internal rules of the club, aka Canon law, no longer apply to me. I now list my religion on the census as "none" and to be honest I don't give a FF whether in some recess of parish records I am still included as one of the flock.

Capt'n Midnight

you know when you change banks or phone provider the new one contacts the previous one and does the hand over,

could you not just join another religion* and get them to do the migration and paperwork and stuff,


*best to check the terms and conditions to see what the minimum contract is

DEFTLEFTHAND

Snowie wrote: »

why do they not let you leave can you get kicked out ?
I got some creative ideas on that one gimmie a shout i l buck you up :cool::D

You can be excommunicated, it actually used to be a ceremony in its self that involved loads of black candles and a funeral bell toll.:pac:

LisaLee

I wish I could leave, both my fiance and I were baptised into the Catholic Church but don't follow its teachings. We've chosen not to baptise any of our children and let them choose their own faith (If they feel the need to choose one). I'd rather they live by the ethos of 'Treat everyone as you'd like to be treated, and if they're a prick to you then f*ck em, their problem'

GarIT

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You can be excommunicated, it actually used to be a ceremony in its self that involved loads of black candles and a funeral bell toll.:pac:

The Pope has said that being excommunicated does not remove you from being a Catholic, it just means they don't want you involved in the church, mass and stuff.