Overeem fails pre fight drug test

dave1982

Alistair Overeem (36-11 MMA, 1-0 UFC) us unlikely to fight champion Junior Dos Santos (14-1 MMA, 8-0 UFC) for the UFC heavyweight title this summer at UFC 146.

Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) the No. 1 heavyweight contender failed a pre-fight drug test conducted this past Tuesday following a press conference for UFC 146.

Overeem's "A" sample was flagged for an elevated T/E ratio that exeeded 10-to-1, well over the 6-to-1 limit. Kizer said the heavyweight has the right to request the test's "B" sample, which, if negative, would make him eligible to receive a fight license.

The former Strikeforce champion was among six top-billed fighters who were tested for the all-heavyweight pay-per-view event, which takes place May 26 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. All were tested for diuretics, masking agents, anabolic steroids and T/E ratios in addition to drugs of abuse.

Dos Santos, Frank Mir, Cain Velasquez, Roy Nelson and Antonio Silva all passed their tests.

It's not the first time Overeem has run afoul of the NSAC. He was granted a conditional license to fight Brock Lesnar at UFC 141 after missing a pre-fight drug test ordered by the commission, which reinstated out-of-competition testing this past July.

Answering to the commission via telephone during an NSAC hearing held three weeks prior to UFC 141, Overeem said he missed the test because he had flown back to his native Holland to care for his ailing mother and wasn't made aware of the obligation. When he got word, he submitted an invalid blood test conducted by his personal doctor and then submitted urine that wasn't tested.

The NSAC gave him a license on the condition that he submit to a drug test conducted by an accredited laboratory, which he did two days later (and subsequently passed), as well as pass a drug test upon arriving in the U.S. for the Lesnar fight and submit to two random tests.

This past Tuesday's test served as one of those random tests, which also followed a fight-night test at UFC 141.

Because Overeem's conditional license expired on Dec. 31, the NSAC will not receive a disciplinary complaint against him as it does for licensed athletes. Instead, he will need to appear before the commission should he choose to apply for a license, which notably, hadn't been filed for UFC 146.

With one half of May 26's event on the shelf, the UFC may give one of the main-card heavyweights an impromptu title shot

Pity really

scudzilla

Damn shame but surely it was only a matter of time

cowzerp

Hardly surprising, Pity as it was going to be an intriqing match up

scudzilla

So who would you put in to replace him against JDS?

Frank Mir - Seems the logical choice, on a 3 fight win streak

Cain - Would be devastating for his career if he were to lose back to back against JDS, i think he needs another couple of fights before he gets a crack

Roy Nelson - Lost 3of his last 4, but did take JDS the distance

Silva - Can't really give him a shot in his first fight...can they??


I'd go with

JDS V Mir

Cain v Nelson

Silva v Struve

Niall0

Mir seems like the best choice, Is a testosterone ratio of 10-1 possible without performance enhancers? Maybe hell use the chael sonnen defence (TRT) ?

pauldoo

Maybe werdum will step in,if available! Otherwise may well br Mir stepping. Mir is one of my favourite fighters but i cant see how he will beat jds

Leeg17

A very quick scan of this Wiki page show that 1:1 is the average in a population.

themandan6611

Sonnen can easily beef up and dominate the HW division as he does the world

threeball

scudzilla wrote: »

So who would you put in to replace him against JDS?

Frank Mir - Seems the logical choice, on a 3 fight win streak

Cain - Would be devastating for his career if he were to lose back to back against JDS, i think he needs another couple of fights before he gets a crack

Roy Nelson - Lost 3of his last 4, but did take JDS the distance

Silva - Can't really give him a shot in his first fight...can they??


I'd go with

JDS V Mir

Cain v Nelson

Silva v Struve

Poor auld Roy. Have you no compassion man!

scudzilla

threeball wrote: »

Poor auld Roy. Have you no compassion man!

After his long layoff and quick defeat to JDS Cain needs some target practice, and Nelson will give him 15mins of that without troubling him too much

El Guapo!

I was really looking forward to this fight. I wouldn't say they'll get a replacement at all. They may just bump it off the card and wait to see the results of the rest of the heavyweight bouts and then find a contender.
Shame really.

Leeg17

Do you guys reckon he'll contest the result and elect for his 'B' sample to be tested?

Quite disappointed, was quite looking to this penultimate fight in the HW card..

Niall0

Leeg17 wrote: »

Do you guys reckon he'll contest the result and elect for his 'B' sample to be tested?

Quite disappointed, was quite looking to this penultimate fight in the HW card..

He most likely will try and fight it, when this kind of thing happens the accused rarely just admits to PED use. They usually try some kind of excuse

enfant terrible

scudzilla wrote: »

So who would you put in to replace him against JDS?

Frank Mir - Seems the logical choice, on a 3 fight win streak

Cain - Would be devastating for his career if he were to lose back to back against JDS, i think he needs another couple of fights before he gets a crack

Roy Nelson - Lost 3of his last 4, but did take JDS the distance

Silva - Can't really give him a shot in his first fight...can they??


I'd go with

JDS V Mir

Cain v Nelson

Silva v Struve

Fedor to make his UFC debut.

Hide the Rum

Card was too good to be true, damn.

Niall0

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/4/4/2926260/ufcs-dana-white-responds-to-alistair-overeems-failed-drug-test

Dana White is not happy with Alistair Overeem and that's putting it mildly. The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix was on a conference call for Canadian media with the UFC president only minutes after he heard the news that his #1 contender had failed a drug test. White didn't pull any punches.

"I am beyond pissed about this. I'm so (expletive) mad right now I can't even begin ...


"The worst part is that he sat in front of us and lied to us (referring to a meeting in the UFC's offices meeting with White and CEO Lorenzo Fertitta, where Overeem insisted he was clean and would pass all drug tests). How (expletive) stupid do you have to be? Seriously dumb. Anybody who's using (performance-enhancing drugs) right now is an absolute (expletive) moron..
"It's beyond - what's the word I'm looking for - it's beyond belief. It's beyond comprehension. You're an absolute moron, a brain-dead absolute (expletive) dummy. It goes beyond a guy have any common sense whatsoever."
White told the journalists on the call that it was too soon to announce any changes to the card.
"I don't have a plan B" he said.
When asked about Overeem's future with the organization he said, "It doesn't look good, does it? IIt doesn't look good."

darced

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El Guapo!

Niall0 wrote: »

<Dana White rant>

Jaysus he really didn't hold back!

Mellor

Leeg17 wrote: »

A very quick scan of this Wiki page show that 1:1 is the average in a population, but that 10:1 isn't relatively uncommon.

Double negative on purpose?

I don't see where it says that 10-1 is relatively common?

It mentions Landis had a 11-1 sample. But he was doping so kinda irrelevant.

Mellor

Dana White drops a hint via twitter.

A fan said "Mir should get the shot"

Dana "I don't disagree with you"

Leeg17

Mellor wrote: »

Double negative on purpose?

I don't see where it says that 10-1 is relatively common?

It mentions Landis had a 11-1 sample. But he was doping so kinda irrelevant.

Yup you're right sorry, shoulda gone to Specsavers (and bed)

scudzilla

Mellor wrote: »

Dana White drops a hint via twitter.

A fan said "Mir should get the shot"

Dana "I don't disagree with you"

Doesn't JDS have to agree to the change though? From a striker like Overeem to someone who is one of the best on the ground, not as though it's short notice, JDS still has 7 weeks or so to change his game plan.

MrStuffins

Sh*t, this happening and Mir being the only valid option for a title shot really shows how poor the HW division is compared to the others IMO

Mellor

scudzilla wrote: »

Doesn't JDS have to agree to the change though? From a striker like Overeem to someone who is one of the best on the ground, not as though it's short notice, JDS still has 7 weeks or so to change his game plan.

He has to sign the contract, but "agree" is a bit strong a word. It's not like he has a credible reason to duck the fight. Besides, JDS is one of the best BJJS guys at HW. Would be great for him if he subbed Mir - but I don't think he'd go that route.

He is the champ. And a claim to be the best HW in the world.
He has to defend the belt. He has fight the No.1 contender.
I only have 7 weeks isn't going to cut it with anyone really. Its enough time imo. It's not as if he has forgotten his BJJ stuff.


I just noticed that;
Nelson is now down to fight Mitrione, which moved
Antonio Silva into the fight with Velasquez, and leave Mir Free.

I'm guessing this happen since the Overeem issue pop up

Announcement shortly imo

scudzilla

Mellor wrote: »

He has to sign the contract, but "agree" is a bit strong a word. It's not like he has a credible reason to duck the fight. Besides, JDS is one of the best BJJS guys at HW. Would be great for him if he subbed Mir - but I don't think he'd go that route.

He is the champ. And a claim to be the best HW in the world.
He has to defend the belt. He has fight the No.1 contender.
I only have 7 weeks isn't going to cut it with anyone really. Its enough time imo. It's not as if he has forgotten his BJJ stuff.


I just noticed that;
Nelson is now down to fight Mitrione, which moved
Antonio Silva into the fight with Velasquez, and leave Mir Free.

I'm guessing this happen since the Overeem issue pop up

Announcement shortly imo

Where is that up?? Don't think an announcement will be tonight as Dana is out on the lash and is pretty wrecked at the moment!!

Also, sure, he does have to agree, he signed a contract to fight Overeem and now that fight is gone he must agree to another opponent.

Mellor

My mistake, it was on wikipedia and cited UFC.com as a reference.
I can't open UFC.com but assume the reference was legit becauise it would be edited pretty quick if made up given that 146 is all over the MMA news now.

scudzilla

Mellor wrote: »

My mistake, it was on wikipedia and cited UFC.com as a reference.
I can't open UFC.com but assume the reference was legit becauise it would be edited pretty quick if made up given that 146 is all over the MMA news now.

Just checked UFC.COM and no mention at all of any changes, they still have JDS v Reem up on the fight card

Mellor

Yeah, relised that once I checked by fone.
Surprised that it hasn't been fixed yet on wiki. Normally pretty fast when its based aroudn current events

Ush1

JDS v Mir
Cain v Werdum
Nelson v Silva

That's how I'd like the card to look.

armitage_skanks

Niall0 wrote: »

Mir seems like the best choice, Is a testosterone ratio of 10-1 possible without performance enhancers? Maybe hell use the chael sonnen defence (TRT) ?

Its possible but very unlikely. 6:1 was chosen because 5.25 is the 99th percentile.

http://scienceblogs.com/purepedantry/upload/2006/07/te.jpg

We don't know what it was exactly other than over 10:1. Its off that chart quite literally. :pac:

We know Overeem was under 6:1 before because he's been tested a few times recently and didn't fail. T/E ratio is quite stable in an individual over time. So you don't go from under 6:1 to over 10:1 in a few months without an external cause.

Patrick Quinn

Ush1 wrote: »

JDS v Mir
Cain v Werdum
Nelson v Silva

That's how I'd like the card to look.

Mir v jds
and fedor v cain
Dana has tryed for years to get fedor will this be chance

Niall0

Patrick Quinn wrote: »

Ush1 wrote: »

JDS v Mir
Cain v Werdum
Nelson v Silva

That's how I'd like the card to look.

Mir v jds
and fedor v cain
Dana has tryed for years to get fedor will this be chance

I dont think Dana wants him anymore maybe werdum or mark hunt could fill a spot on the main card

Ian Whelan

+1 for Mark Hunt, decent guy, I reckon Fedor should get the title shot, it would be an ever bigger draw than the original fight.

Stephen_King

scudzilla wrote: »

Doesn't JDS have to agree to the change though? From a striker like Overeem to someone who is one of the best on the ground, not as though it's short notice, JDS still has 7 weeks or so to change his game plan.

I'd imagine JDS will be all over this one to avenge Nogs arm.

SDTimeout

Mark Hunt for the title shot!!

Agree on the Fedor part though, that imo would smash the UFC 100 buyrate.

00benski

Sure if we look back to page 6 of this form and the cyborg thread, i think it was only a matter of time before overeem got nailed for his abuse, and as i said before anyone that tought he wasnt on them was very naive.

p to the e

Tim Sylvia as replacement . Overeem wasn't called Over-roid, in some circles, for nothing. Kizer is a serious man when it comes to this sort of thing and I imagine he wasn't happy with how Overeem missed his first test the last time. Because of that I imagine six HW's were surprise tested as a guise to get to Overeem

tower08

mir vs jds

cain vs silva

nelson vs hunt


nelson hunt would be a good match up, would give roy alot better chance of getting a win than against silva, and silva vs cain would be a good match up!

armitage_skanks

00benski wrote: »

Sure if we look back to page 6 of this form and the cyborg thread, i think it was only a matter of time before overeem got nailed for his abuse, and as i said before anyone that tought he wasnt on them was very naive.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056506840&page=2

Makes for some funny reading alright. The signs that he was roiding were plain as day so anybody who wasn't at least suspicious of him is a dimwit. Couple of them on that thread but say no more :pac:

00benski

I Think keyboard jockeys was a word used to describe some of us who dare to say that professional sport is rampant with ped's. If the state commissions had more funding for random testing then i think we would see the full extent of the problem.

MrStuffins

MrStuffins wrote: »

Sh*t, this happening and Mir being the only valid option for a title shot really shows how poor the HW division is compared to the others IMO

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Ian Whelan wrote: »

I reckon Fedor should get the title shot

p to the e wrote: »

Tim Sylvia as replacement .

It got 100 times worse!!! :pac:

Barry.Oglesby

00benski wrote: »

I Think keyboard jockeys was a word used to describe some of us who dare to say that professional sport is rampant with ped's. If the state commissions had more funding for random testing then i think we would see the full extent of the problem.

Well we might, or people might be disappointed either way. I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

However I think every fan has to ask themselves some questions before condemning Overeem or anyone else accused of PED use. I also think Dana White should ask himself these questions. In the history of PED use and guilty verdicts in sport, usually the men at the top tut tut and make grand statements about kicking drugs out of sport, but the real disappointment for them is that they got caught, not that they took.

1) If there were 2 UFCs, one with strict, weekly testing and one without where the fighters could take what they wanted, which would you watch? Which do you think would be better?

2) Do you like watching a competitive MMA scene where fighters could move around weight divisions within a few months, or can make themselves larger very quickly to be more competitive.

3) If there were never any questions asked, or tests for PEDs, would you be bothered?

We can't have a debate about PED use in sport that doesn't involve shrieking from ex-stars who sound like Mary Whitehouse, but we need to have one. I don't advocate their use but we expect a lot of our professional sportsmen and many of them would say that they're just doing what they can in the very short window of a career that they have, and that they've sacrificed college/school/career/family to get to the top. If one course of steroids to remain competitive in a weight division is what it takes to keep them there then a lot of people would say that is worth the risk.

MrStuffins

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Well we might, or people might be disappointed either way. I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

Hear hear!

1) If there were 2 UFCs, one with strict, weekly testing and one without where the fighters could take what they wanted, which would you watch? Which do you think would be better?

Better? Why would one automatically be better? There are a million different variables which come into play here when you don't include PEDs. Giving Chainsaw Charles McCarthy PEDs isn't gonna mean he's beating Anderson Silva!

Also, don't just think that because you'd have 1 division WITH drugs and one without that would stop cheating. I guarentee that if you had a MW Champion of the clean division, there would be people who would try to cheat their way to that title the same way people do it now, only this time almost being certain that they have the edge as their oppenent is clean!

2) Do you like watching a competitive MMA scene where fighters could move around weight divisions within a few months, or can make themselves larger very quickly to be more competitive.

Fighters jumping around weightclasses isn't really the issue here. You can't just start advocating the use of drugs because that will lead to EVERYONE taking them. Why would a guy get into the cage at a major disadvantage when he knows his opponent has been able to train longer, harder, get bigger etc with artificial help?

3) If there were never any questions asked, or tests for PEDs, would you be bothered?

Yes. This is sport.

We can't have a debate about PED use in sport that doesn't involve shrieking from ex-stars who sound like Mary Whitehouse, but we need to have one. I don't advocate their use but we expect a lot of our professional sportsmen and many of them would say that they're just doing what they can in the very short window of a career that they have, and that they've sacrificed college/school/career/family to get to the top. If one course of steroids to remain competitive in a weight division is what it takes to keep them there then a lot of people would say that is worth the risk.

Everyone sacrifices for their job. It doesn't give them an excuse to break the rules and cheat.

Xlami

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/campaign-underway-mark-hunt-replaces-alistair-overeem-131815628.html

Gonna firmly attach myself to this bandwagon.

Ian Whelan

Xlami wrote: »

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/campaign-underway-mark-hunt-replaces-alistair-overeem-131815628.html

Gonna firmly attach myself to this bandwagon.

Funny thing is that Hunt could easily win. After seeing the brick outhouse that is Cheick Kongo collapse last time I am quite sure that Hunt is well up to knocking JDS out.

dougieruggie

Who on earth was stupid enough to believe that Overeem wasn't juicing?

I mean look at him. Genetics and hard training play a role but lets be realistic here, hes bigger than most bodybuilders who juice and this is all while competing in a high cardio sport. Do people honestly think its possible to have that sort of muscle size and definition without steroids??

Jesus christ.

MrStuffins

dougieruggie wrote: »

Who on earth was stupid enough to believe that Overeem wasn't juicing?

I mean look at him. Genetics and hard training play a role but lets be realistic here, hes bigger than most bodybuilders who juice and this is all while competing in a high cardio sport. Do people honestly think its possible to have that sort of muscle size and definition without steroids??

Jesus christ.

For a lot of people it was a case of innocent til proven guilty.

You can't just go around saying "that fella is on steroids" and treat it as fact without due process.

Mr. CooL ICE

I am also jumping on the Mark Hunt bandwagon

El Guapo!

Just read that his T/E ratio was 14:1


LINKY

UFC No. 1 heavyweight contender Alistair Overeem produced a testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio of 14:1 in his failed urine test, Nevada state athletic commission executive director Keith Kizer told MMA Fighting on Thursday, shortly after he learned of the final result.
The average male produces a T/E ratio around 1:1. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) uses a 4:1 standard for positive tests, and NSAC uses 6:1 as its cutoff, a number used by WADA up until 2006.

In NSAC's original statement announcing the flagged result, Overeem was said to have tested at a level higher than 10:1.
Overeem has the right to ask for his B-sample to be tested to ensure the accuracy of the result. That would likely trigger a carbon isotope ratio test, which would determine whether the testosterone in his body was natural or synthetic.
Because Overeem (36-11, 1 no contest) is unlicensed in Nevada, he cannot be punished for the test, but he would face an uphill task in trying to gain a license to fight Junior Dos Santos at UFC 146 as originally scheduled.
Overeem's number is slightly lower than that of Chael Sonnen when he was caught with an elevated level in 2010. Sonnen, who lost to Anderson Silva the day after the test was taken, produced a sample with a 16.9:1 ratio.
To date, the UFC has still not addressed any potential replacement for Overeem, though a source with knowledge of the situation said the promotion would most likely choose former champion Frank Mir to face dos Santos.
UFC 146 takes place on May 26 at Las Vegas' MGM Grand Garden Arena.

I'd say there's little point in him asking for his B sample to be tested at this stage. His levels were way above the allowed limits.
Along with most other people, I always suspected Overeem was juicing, but as has been said you can't just go around making allegations without any proof.
I actually think the instances of people being caught in mma recently may be good for the sport. It might make people rethink using PEDs for fear of being caught. Of course people will always find ways around everything.

Roar

how stupid is the dude? seriously? after his warning from the commission last time that he'd be subject to two random drugs tests in 6 months, he goes and does this? There's dumb, and there's downright stupid, and this is downright stupid.

Hide the Rum

No word from his camp. Would be interesting to finally hear a fighter say "Yeah I got caught."