Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

Orando Broom

Des wrote: »

Old Man Gets Lost.

Kenny Dalglish... 82 years young has come to this pond every day for the past 17 years, to feed the ducks. But last month, Kenny made a discovery... the ducks... were gone! Some say the ducks went to Canada, others say Toronto. And some people think, that Kenny used to sit down there, near those ducks. But it could be, that there is just no room in this modern world, for an old man... and... his ducks...

flanzer

Oranage2 wrote: »

WOW, That's horrendous. That's a player that has no respect for a manager. I know if that happened at United, Arsenal, Everton the player would be gone or at least heavily punished.

The fact the players dont respect him is a tell tale sign that the manager wont be there next season.

Gerrard had the right to tell him to get off the pitch. He is our captain. Dalglish completely had a brain fart and left his area.

It's only excusable for a manager to encroach onto a pitch is if a player has received a serious injury, not to remonstrate with players or officials. Kenny was lucky not to be sent to the stands

Flancrest

flanzer wrote: »

Gerrard had the right to tell him to get off the pitch. He is our captain. Dalglish completely had a brain fart and left his area.

It's only excusable for a manager to encroach onto a pitch is if a player has received a serious injury, not to remonstrate with players or officials. Kenny was lucky not to be sent to the stands

I agree 100% with this. Its exactly what you want your captain to do.
He saw a bad situation getting worse, kept a cool head and took control. He should be applauded for his actions and I'm sure Kenny thanked him after the red mist disappeared

kryogen

Xavi6 wrote: »

"Some people are on the pitch, they think it's all over..."

Remember watching this on MOTD and wondering how come it didnt get discussed, looks terrible even though it may turn out to be less of an act of disrespect then it seems.

Just thought if it had been Terry/Balotelli/Tevez/Rooney/Lampard etc it would have got plenty more attention and wondered why it hadnt.

The hand motioning KD to jog on at the end in particular!

Cant lie and say I am not enjoying Liverpools plight, but surely it wont be allowed to continue into next season

kryogen

cambo2008 wrote: »

Looks like Flancrest is on a mission to derail and get the thread locked again

Yeah and it really shouldnt be allowed to happen twice!

amiable

Xavi6 wrote: »

"Some people are on the pitch, they think it's all over..."

Much ado about nothing...... Again

ntlbell

Flancrest wrote: »

Poor arguement there. A players height affects his ability in the air and nothing else. FACT

Maradonna could outreach shilton..

nonsense talk...:D

slingerz

If kenneth goes then rafa is not the man to replace him

A new man perhaps someone lik Brendan Rodgers would be a good option

Will I Amnt

Flancrest wrote: »

I agree 100% with this. Its exactly what you want your captain to do.
He saw a bad situation getting worse, kept a cool head and took control. He should be applauded for his actions and I'm sure Kenny thanked him after the red mist disappeared

It's the way it was done.
How often do you see players grab an arm of another player and usher them away trying to keep them out of trouble?
Shouting at someone and dismissing them with those kind of hand gestures is another story.

mikeym

I hate Andy Carroll more than ever over his performance yesterday :mad:

aidan24326

amiable wrote: »

Much ado about nothing...... Again

How is it 'much ado about nothing'? Gerrard shouts at Dalglish, then shoos him away dismissively. That's not a good sign.

slingerz wrote: »

If kenneth goes then rafa is not the man to replace him

A new man perhaps someone lik Brendan Rodgers would be a good option

Brendan Rodgers has done an amazing job but going from Swansea to Liverpool would be a big step up. He deserves a shot at a bigger club though. A much more progressive manager than Kenny, who seems a bit stuck in his old ways and has done a terrible job, only saved from outright savage criticism by his status as a club legend. This stint as manager has only tarnished his reputation though, rather than enhance it.

amiable

aidan24326 wrote: »

How is it 'much ado about nothing'? Gerrard shouts at Dalglish, then shoos him away dismissively. That's not a good sign.

Because it's been blown out of proportion. It's not clear what was said or if it was shouted.
I'm not here defending Gerrard as he was awful yesterday and I think that is a more important discussion point.
Gerrard and Kenny seemed in agreement so IMO it's much ado about nothing...... again

donalg1

Saw Kenny on SSN this morning walking out of another post match interview just because the reporter mentioned that LFC had lost 6 out of the last 7 matches in the league now. The man has no media skills and is a complete PR disaster, John Henry must watch every interview/press conference through his fingers.

Was a master stroke from him installing Kenny as manager, was a win win situation really, if he performs well and the team are successful Henry wins if Kenny is crap and the team win nothing he can sack him and tell the fans he did it their way, at least then any other manager at Anfield wont have Kenny standing over their shoulder like Rafa and Roy had.

Leiva

aidan24326 wrote: »

How is it 'much ado about nothing'? Gerrard shouts at Dalglish, then shoos him away dismissively. That's not a good sign.

Nah .

30seconds before the above caption Kenny was screaming over to Gerrard and Flano to go four at the back .
It looks like Kenny was telling Gerrard who already knew , hence him saying something like "I know four at the back" and using the hand signals to indicate .

amiable

slingerz wrote: »

If kenneth goes then rafa is not the man to replace him

A new man perhaps someone lik Brendan Rodgers would be a good option

Too big a step up for him so soon IMO.

He's said already that he wants to build a career at Swansea.

Swansea and Rodgers seem to be getting all the plaudits and Norwich are level on points with Swansea.
Lambert has done a terrific job there and has knowledge of the foreign game too from his time at Dortmund.
It's too soon for him too IMO but if they both keep going they will get their chances

amiable

donalg1 wrote: »

Saw Kenny on SSN this morning walking out of another post match interview just because the reporter mentioned that LFC had lost 6 out of the last 7 matches in the league now. The man has no media skills and is a complete PR disaster, John Henry must watch every interview/press conference through his fingers.

Was a master stroke from him installing Kenny as manager, was a win win situation really, if he performs well and the team are successful Henry wins if Kenny is crap and the team win nothing he can sack him and tell the fans he did it their way, at least then any other manager at Anfield wont have Kenny standing over their shoulder like Rafa and Roy had.

Sky conveniently showed you the end of the interview and not all the other questions he was asked and answered frankly which was flagged up as good by lots of people after the game as good.

Nice edit Sky. You keep on believing everything they feed you.

Helix

amiable wrote: »

Too big a step up for him so soon IMO.

He's said already that he wants to build a career at Swansea.

Swansea and Rodgers seem to be getting all the plaudits and Norwich are level on points with Swansea.
Lambert has done a terrific job there and has knowledge of the foreign game too from his time at Dortmund.
It's too soon for him too IMO but if they both keep going they will get their chances

also worth remembering that it's martinez who built the philosophy at swansea - rodgers just continued that

Will I Amnt

mixednuts wrote: »

30seconds before the above caption Kenny was screaming over to Gerrard and Flano to go four at the back .
It looks like Kenny was telling Gerrard who already knew , hence him saying something like "I know four at the back" and using the hand signals to indicate .

Did you get this transcripted for you or is this just someones theory or what?

happyman81

amiable wrote: »

donalg1 wrote: »

Saw Kenny on SSN this morning walking out of another post match interview just because the reporter mentioned that LFC had lost 6 out of the last 7 matches in the league now. The man has no media skills and is a complete PR disaster, John Henry must watch every interview/press conference through his fingers.

Was a master stroke from him installing Kenny as manager, was a win win situation really, if he performs well and the team are successful Henry wins if Kenny is crap and the team win nothing he can sack him and tell the fans he did it their way, at least then any other manager at Anfield wont have Kenny standing over their shoulder like Rafa and Roy had.

Sky conveniently showed you the end of the interview and not all the other questions he was asked and answered frankly which was flagged up as good by lots of people after the game as good.

Nice edit Sky. You keep on believing everything they feed you.

So the end of the interview didn't happen?

donalg1

amiable wrote: »

Sky conveniently showed you the end of the interview and not all the other questions he was asked and answered frankly which was flagged up as good by lots of people after the game as good.

Nice edit Sky. You keep on believing everything they feed you.

I know he was asked and answered plenty of other questions but he still came out with his silly attitude and walked off after being asked a pretty straight forward question, its not the first time he has done this and doubt it will be the last. The man seems way out of touch with the modern game and the workings of it both on and off the pitch. Granted he isnt helped by the team he has to pick each week. Spearing is basically used as a replacement for Alonso and the two couldnt be further apart in terms of ability and talent, same for Mascherano and Shelvey

amiable

happyman81 wrote: »

So the end of the interview didn't happen?

Did I say that?

I said he answered lots of questions already for Sky in a really honest fashion after a hard day at the office and he was surely a little annoyed after the game.
Sky didn't bother showing the other questions he answered that show him in a good light.
They conveniently just show what they want as it's good TV for them and people like you just gobble it up as gospel.
If they had shown more of the interview as they did earlier the context of things would have been clearer but that doesn't make good TV

Leiva

cambo2008 wrote: »

Did you get this transcripted for you or is this just someones theory or what?

No.
Got the inside scoop from PaulieD who got it from his inside source
Aneil Passige

amiable

donalg1 wrote: »

I know he was asked and answered plenty of other questions but he still came out with his silly attitude and walked off after being asked a pretty straight forward question, its not the first time he has done this and doubt it will be the last. The man seems way out of touch with the modern game and the workings of it both on and off the pitch. Granted he isnt helped by the team he has to pick each week. Spearing is basically used as a replacement for Alonso and the two couldnt be further apart in terms of ability and talent, same for Mascherano and Shelvey

Yes Spearing is a replacement for Alonso even though there has been 2 other managers in charge at Liverpool since Alonso was sold

amiable

Helix wrote: »

also worth remembering that it's martinez who built the philosophy at swansea - rodgers just continued that

Good point. I think Rodgers had that philosophy too and probably why Swansea hired him to carry it on.

donalg1

amiable wrote: »

Yes Spearing is a replacement for Alonso even though there has been 2 other managers in charge at Liverpool since Alonso was sold

Point is when Liverpool were at their peak a few years ago the midfield was made up of Gerrard Alonso and Mascherano, now its Gerrard Spearing and Shelvey pretty big difference between the two.

I was actually saying this is not Kenny's fault and it is one thing he cant be blamed for despite this though he is still a sh*t manager.

Will I Amnt

amiable wrote: »

Did I say that?

I said he answered lots of questions already for Sky in a really honest fashion after a hard day at the office and he was surely a little annoyed after the game.
Sky didn't bother showing the other questions he answered that show him in a good light.
They conveniently just show what they want as it's good TV for them and people like you just gobble it up as gospel.
If they had shown more of the interview as they did earlier the context of things would have been clearer but that doesn't make good TV

That's par for the course,if you want to show someone walking out of an interview you don't really bother with the rest of the interview.

amiable

donalg1 wrote: »

Point is when Liverpool were at their peak a few years ago the midfield was made up of Gerrard Alonso and Mascherano, now its Gerrard Spearing and Shelvey pretty big difference between the two.

I was actually saying this is not Kenny's fault and it is one thing he cant be blamed for despite this though he is still a sh*t manager.

And it's probably Kenny's fault that Lucas got injured too.
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Shelvey as turning in to a very capable midfielder.
Spearing isn't good enough to replace Alonso, no doubt about that but he was never thought of as a replacement. Just a back up.

amiable

cambo2008 wrote: »

That's par for the course,if you want to show someone walking out of an interview you don't really bother with the rest of the interview.

Of course but it doesn't mean we all have to believe it's as simple as that.

Will I Amnt

amiable wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

That's par for the course,if you want to show someone walking out of an interview you don't really bother with the rest of the interview.

Of course but it doesn't mean we all have to believe it's as simple as that.

I have not seen it,is him walking off the "headline" or point of the piece they show?
If so that's fair enough,that's the bit people are interested in.

donalg1

amiable wrote: »

And it's probably Kenny's fault that Lucas got injured too.
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Shelvey as turning in to a very capable midfielder.
Spearing isn't good enough to replace Alonso, no doubt about that but he was never thought of as a replacement. Just a back up.

No it wasnt his fault, but it was his fault that he spent £85m and Liverpool are now worse than they were. Plus it is his fault that he spend £20m on Jordan Henderson based on his performances playing in Central Midfield only to then stick him on the wing. Why didnt he buy a winger if that is what he wanted.

It is also his fault he bought Charlie Adam, Andy Carroll and his handling of Suarez is shocking which btw the whole Suarez issues all season have probably had the biggest negative effect on LFC.