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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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    #2192
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Well then, it looks like you are indeed trolling.

    Are those on this thread who have exemptions trolling also then?


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    #2193
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    For the last time I agreed you were right about the local towns, I avail of these services. Is it that hard to understand? Let it go ffs.

    Ahh - I thought you meant I was right about the town not having lights.

    So - you agree you do avail of local authority services - and if you say that you won't pay the HC because you don't avail of local authority services, by my reckoning - you should be paying up. Or was that just spin?


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    #2194
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    Are those on this thread who have exemptions trolling also then?

    No because they did not jump in and post something as patronising that was going to come across like ''ye can pay for my benefit because I don't have to'' like that poster did.


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    #2195
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    No because they did not jump in and post something as patronising that was going to come across like ''ye can pay for my benefit because I don't have to'' like that poster did.

    Unlike "You shouldn't pay, because I don't have to" - fair enough. They should be on this thread.


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    #2196
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    Geez. Again - The wealth is contained in the asset. Regardless of whether the owner paid 300k for it or not, a property valued at 200k has 200k of wealth stored inside it. Now there may indeed be waivers for some in serious negative equity on the basis of ability-to-pay, but it has nothing to do with the issue of the wealth in the property - which is still 200k.
    But when a home owner having no real wealth for having a single property as a home was pointed out to you, your arguement was, if they liquidate it, thats how they access the wealth. Is this the wealth this tax is based on, yes??? No????

    Now - what am I supposed to have changed my mind on?

    I never said you did.


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    #2197
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    alastair wrote: »
    Ahh - I thought you meant I was right about the town not having lights.

    So - you agree you do avail of local authority services - and if you say that you won't pay the HC because you don't avail of local authority services, by my reckoning - you should be paying up. Or was that just spin?

    This is not how it is and you know it. I agree we all avail of local services to a certain extent but then we should all pay the same.
    For example if I required the services of the Fire Brigade and my neighbour also required it but he did not pay the HHC, should I be more entitled to it than him?


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    #2198
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    I never said you did.

    You didn't?
    Correct? Or have you changed your mind on that too?


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    #2199
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    hondasam wrote: »
    No because they did not jump in and post something as patronising that was going to come across like ''ye can pay for my benefit because I don't have to'' like that poster did.
    This thread is full of posters who are saying 'ye can pay for my benefit because I refuse to'.


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    #2200
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    You didn't?

    If i ask a poster, are you a builder? Thats not telling them they are a builder. The question mark is a clue.


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    #2201
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    This is not how it is and you know it. I agree we all avail of local services to a certain extent but then we should all pay the same.
    For example if I required the services of the Fire Brigade and my neighbour also required it but he did not pay the HHC, should I be more entitled to it than him?

    So - when you said:
    That's the reason I'm not paying, you finally get it.

    That wasn't it at all.


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    #2202
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    If i ask a poster, are you a builder? Thats not telling them they are a builder. The question mark is a clue.

    And the 'too'?
    Correct? Or have you changed your mind on that too?


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    #2203
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    black francis wrote: »
    Well, we know what you consider 'fair and equitable' - cutting unemployment benefit by €5.5k a year rather than pay some additional tax yourself.

    Keep on weaselling.

    Well, if you want to keep deluding yourself then knock yourself out. You cannot change the reality of the situation Francis.


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    #2204
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    You're opposed to the very notion of a welfare system then?

    No. People are opposed to an overgenerous one. Which turns into a gravy train for many. Paid for by the ones who can least afford it.


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    #2205
    Sheeps
    Registered Users Posts: 2,762 ✭✭✭Sheeps


    hondasam wrote: »
    Why are you in this thread then?

    You think it's mine and every other home owners responsibility to make sure your local park is kept nice for your benefit?




    You really not see anything wrong with your post?

    The trouble with your argument is that not only do I think it is your responsibility to fund the services that maintain the lovely park across the street from me but the government does too, which is why they've introduce the household charge.

    Due to this little fact, regardless of whether I own a house and have paid this charge or not, if someone is neglecting their responsibility to pay this charge and fund these services, it will still affect me and the lovely little park and therefore I am entitled to hold and express my opinions or complaints towards those people.

    I just hope that there's a facility in place for reporting people who haven't paid it.


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    #2206
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    And the 'too'?

    Are you from dublin? Are you a builder too?

    Nice try alister, the master of avoiding questions.


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    #2207
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    black francis wrote: »
    if your pal Freddie has his way, you'll be joining them shortly, hope you find it as luxurious as you imagine.
    Meooowwww! We must REALLY be getting to you Francis!:D


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    #2208
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    dvpower wrote: »
    This thread is full of posters who are saying 'ye can pay for my benefit because I refuse to'.

    No it's not. I have not seen them or definitely not worded like that one. It hardly matters anyway, it's up to everyone to do as they please.


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    #2209
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    Venn diagram time again?

    This property tax is levied only on households. A subset of property is the household. As far as I'm aware, the cat is not a subset of the dog genus.

    If there was a specific licence required for a poodle however, it would be both a poodle tax and a dog tax (the poodle being both a, eh, poodle, and a dog).

    Erm........its called the HOUSEHOLD tax.:rolleyes:


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    #2210
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    I have no outstanding tax bill in the UK - as is the case with everyone else who refused to pay the poll tax.

    Hang on - you refused to pay the Poll Tax??????? WTF?:eek:


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    #2211
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Are you from dublin? Are you a builder too?

    Nice try alister, the master of avoiding questions.

    Problem is you're not actually engaging with what you did post:
    Correct? Or have you changed your mind on that too?

    What is the 'too' that you're referring to? I can't change my mind on something 'too', unless I've changed my mind on something prior to that. No builders involved.


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    #2212
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,419 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Meooowwww! We must REALLY be getting to you Francis!:D

    It made me laugh actually Freddie. :D


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    #2213
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    It made me laugh actually Freddie. :D

    Like the time when you said you didn't get any local authority services, and that was the reason why you weren't paying? How we laughed at how quickly you abandoned that pretense! :rolleyes:


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    #2214
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    alastair wrote: »
    What is the 'too' that you're referring to? I can't change my mind on something 'too', unless I've changed my mind on something prior to that. No builders involved.

    How does the home owner acess the wealth in his home?


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    #2215
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Hang on - you refused to pay the Poll Tax??????? WTF?:eek:
    Did you not know that freddie?
    alastair didn't agree with the poll tax in the UK because it was an unfair tax and then didn't pay it.

    Maybe that's why he lives here now.


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    #2216
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    How does the home owner acess the wealth in his home?

    Remember before Robbie.
    Take out one of your windows and try to pay for the weekly shopping with it.
    Sure it's your wealth.......


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    #2217
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Did you not know that freddie?
    alastair didn't agree with the poll tax in the UK because it was an unfair tax and then didn't pay it.

    Maybe that's why he lives here now.

    Yes and now we have a sheep that wants homw owners to pay for his field as well., or he will report them.


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    #2218
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    authority services, and that was the reason why How we laughed at how quickly you abandoned that pretense! :rolleyes:

    Who's the we? you and dv?


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    #2219
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Remember before Robbie.
    Take out one of your windows and try to pay for the weekly shopping with it.
    Sure it's your wealth.......

    Indeed Gerry. But he is avoiding the questions carefully, because his wealth tax thing does not add up. You can see the question avoiding already.


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    #2220
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Yes and now we have a sheep that wants homw owners to pay for his field as well., or he will report them.

    Report away - like I say - I'm in complete compliance with my UK taxes.


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    #2221
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Indeed Gerry. But he is avoiding the questions carefully, because his wealth tax thing does not add up. You can see the question avoiding already.

    To only avoidance I see at play is you backpedalling from your accusation of me changing my mind on something. :o


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