Irish oral!

FinnD

How's everyone feeling about this oral creeping up on us? Any hints on how to break awkward silences if you don't understand what the hell the examiner is saying to you?

earwax_man

I'm feeling quite happy about it; I can speak Irish as fluently as English. I have no problems with it whatsoever
I guess respond with what they have said and ask for clarification; that's a good way

FinnD

earwax_man wrote: »

I'm feeling quite happy about it; I can speak Irish as fluently as English. I have no problems with it whatsoever
I guess respond with what they have said and ask for clarification; that's a good way

Well for some! I can hardly put two words of Irish together

GaryIrv93

earwax_man wrote: »

I'm feeling quite happy about it; I can speak Irish as fluently as English. I have no problems with it whatsoever
I guess respond with what they have said and ask for clarification; that's a good way

just say ''Ni thuigim an cheist'' ''I don't understand the question'' if you're unsure. Hopefully I'll have the sanme examiner as for the mock she was really nice, which are few and far between! She marked them quite hard though - I thought I got at least a C in mine, it went quite well - two weeks later I find out i got only 42% in it.

FinnD

GaryIrv93 wrote: »

earwax_man wrote: »

I'm feeling quite happy about it; I can speak Irish as fluently as English. I have no problems with it whatsoever
I guess respond with what they have said and ask for clarification; that's a good way

just say ''Ni thuigim an cheist'' ''I don't understand the question'' if you're unsure. Hopefully I'll have the sanme examiner as for the mock she was really nice, which are few and far between! She marked them quite hard though - I thought I got at least a C in mine, it went quite well - two weeks later I find out i got only 42% in it.

Would you lose much marks for saying that? We didn't do a mock oral in our school so the oral coming up will be my first and last ever :L

finality

FinnD wrote: »

Would you lose much marks for saying that? We didn't do a mock oral in our school so the oral coming up will be my first and last ever :L

Wow really? We did orals for fifth year summer and Christmas tests and for the mocks, it really helps and you know exactly what to expect.

FinnD

finality wrote: »

FinnD wrote: »

Would you lose much marks for saying that? We didn't do a mock oral in our school so the oral coming up will be my first and last ever :L

Wow really? We did orals for fifth year summer and Christmas tests and for the mocks, it really helps and you know exactly what to expect.

Yeh, it's ridiculous! Im not using Irish for points but I still want to do well in the oral so I can concentrate on other subjects coming up to the leaving? What general topics did your school get asked? The book can only bring you so far

GaryIrv93

FinnD wrote: »

Would you lose much marks for saying that? We didn't do a mock oral in our school so the oral coming up will be my first and last ever :L

I wouldn't say so, as long as you can say that you don't understand in Irish. It's better than simply staring blank-faced at the examiner when she ask's a question. Another thing - the anxiety in the minutes leading up to the exam are the worst, but once you go in and start speaking, all of it just flies out the window . So I'm not really worried about it. You also must do some revision - I didn't do much for mine and put it off until the last minute. Then even when I thought it went well, I only got 42% in the end, because I did hardly any study. It'll pay off if you do.

Poems are all right, the general stuff isn't too bad, but the picture sequences - I have 20 to learn, and only one will come up. Absolutely ridiculous having to study 20, a huge waste of tiem. There should be a maximum of 10, but hey, it's Ireland's education system so I'm not surprised :rolleyes:

Killian In The Name Of

Does anyone have any useful websites/links/videos in relation to the Sraith Pictiúri? In my practise Oral Exam, I found that to be the most frustrating, awkward pause-y part.

haro124

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

Does anyone have any useful websites/links/videos in relation to the Sraith Pictiúri? In my practise Oral Exam, I found that to be the most frustrating, awkward pause-y part.

isfeidirleat.ie is amazing for the pictures ! Had my Irish oral mock yesterday and got 80/80 in the pictures because of this website ! One word of advice dont go over board with the pictures ie spend too much time on them in the oral as the examiner told me that the general conversation will be shorter and will take off marks !

rkeano5

Bhuel, táim ceart go leor ach beagánín néirbhíseach chun a fhírinne a rá..

At least I can't make spelling mistakes in the oral (although pronunciation is worryingly important),

Níl mé réidh ar chor ar bith

Mayo_Boy

Im screwed for the oral.
Those 20 sraith pictuiri are a load of B*******, we havent even half of them done yet

Mayo_Boy

haro124 wrote: »

isfeidirleat.ie is amazing for the pictures ! Had my Irish oral mock yesterday and got 80/80 in the pictures because of this website ! One word of advice dont go over board with the pictures ie spend too much time on them in the oral as the examiner told me that the general conversation will be shorter and will take off marks !

This^^
Very handy website, has saved me alot of work :P

David1994

haro124 wrote: »

isfeidirleat.ie is amazing for the pictures ! Had my Irish oral mock yesterday and got 80/80 in the pictures because of this website ! One word of advice dont go over board with the pictures ie spend too much time on them in the oral as the examiner told me that the general conversation will be shorter and will take off marks !

I went onto the site but the downloads only had a few questions..Is that it?

haro124

David1994 wrote: »

I went onto the site but the downloads only had a few questions..Is that it?

They have all 20 pictures ?

Toto Wolfcastle

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

Does anyone have any useful websites/links/videos in relation to the Sraith Pictiúri? In my practise Oral Exam, I found that to be the most frustrating, awkward pause-y part.

http://www.scoilnet.ie/ScruduBeil2012.shtm

http://irishstudysite.com/

Tbh you just need to keep it simple. Know your verbs and the key vocab for each picture. There's a lot of work involved in it but time constraints will mean that you can't spend too much time on it. Most of the marks are going for your communication so make sure you can keep describing the pictures. Don't forget about the questions portion. There's an easy 10 marks to be gained there.

haro124

haro124 wrote: »

David1994 wrote: »

I went onto the site but the downloads only had a few questions..Is that it?

They have all 20 pictures ?

The worst picture by far is timpiste!

shellita

Hi,

Does anyone know have you to discuss the pictures like a story or are you literally just saying what you see in them?

Does the examiner ask you to say it in a certain tense or can you just say it all in past tense?

The print outs I got are all "general" for ex.
"Cuireann bean óg fios ar na seirbhísí éigeandála".
From : http://irishstudysite.com/

I am trying to write out my own answers but I can't understand what I should be doing. I did a mock oral and she said I did it perfect all in past tense but didn't say enough, got 30/80.

I am really confused about what to say, am I supposed to mix tenses, stay in one tense or what?
As a mature student the teacher can't tell us.

lady365

shellita wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know have you to discuss the pictures like a story or are you literally just saying what you see in them?

Does the examiner ask you to say it in a certain tense or can you just say it all in past tense?

The print outs I got are all "general" for ex.
"Cuireann bean óg fios ar na seirbhísí éigeandála".
From : http://irishstudysite.com/

I am trying to write out my own answers but I can't understand what I should be doing. I did a mock oral and she said I did it perfect all in past tense but didn't say enough, got 30/80.

I am really confused about what to say, am I supposed to mix tenses, stay in one tense or what?
As a mature student the teacher can't tell us.

hey you can say it in any tense you want but stay in one!!!!.. the past tense is usually the easiest option.. Our irish teacher told us to learn about 3-4 sentences on each one and we had a mock oral and everyone nearly got full marks... I just learn the key words or phrases aswell of 3 questions to ask examiner on each one!:D

finality

shellita wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know have you to discuss the pictures like a story or are you literally just saying what you see in them?

Does the examiner ask you to say it in a certain tense or can you just say it all in past tense?

The print outs I got are all "general" for ex.
"Cuireann bean óg fios ar na seirbhísí éigeandála".
From : http://irishstudysite.com/

I am trying to write out my own answers but I can't understand what I should be doing. I did a mock oral and she said I did it perfect all in past tense but didn't say enough, got 30/80.

I am really confused about what to say, am I supposed to mix tenses, stay in one tense or what?
As a mature student the teacher can't tell us.

As I see it you should tell the story instead of just describing what you see, and you can use any tense you like, though the future tense might be a bit weird. :P I like the present tense myself.

68508224

shellita wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know have you to discuss the pictures like a story or are you literally just saying what you see in them?

Does the examiner ask you to say it in a certain tense or can you just say it all in past tense?

The print outs I got are all "general" for ex.
"Cuireann bean óg fios ar na seirbhísí éigeandála".
From : http://irishstudysite.com/

I am trying to write out my own answers but I can't understand what I should be doing. I did a mock oral and she said I did it perfect all in past tense but didn't say enough, got 30/80.

I am really confused about what to say, am I supposed to mix tenses, stay in one tense or what?
As a mature student the teacher can't tell us.

going by what it says here it's just past or present tense that you can answer in. Also can be in the first or third person.

link http://www.examinations.ie/exam/Ceisteanna_a_ardaiodh_faoin_BT_Ardteiste_2012.pdf

16.Cén aimsir ina mbeidh an cur síos?
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[/FONT]17. Cén pearsa ina mbeidh an cur síos?
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Canard

For the questions bit, what are you really expected to ask? I know it can be as simple as 'how many boys are in this picture' but thats just stupid. I generally ask things like, in Timpiste for example, after I said the guard thought the man was drunk I asked my teacher if she thought he was drunk. Is that a bad idea? I mean, if you can get away with such basic questions any eejit can get 10 marks

Toto Wolfcastle

Patchy~ wrote: »

For the questions bit, what are you really expected to ask? I know it can be as simple as 'how many boys are in this picture' but thats just stupid. I generally ask things like, in Timpiste for example, after I said the guard thought the man was drunk I asked my teacher if she thought he was drunk. Is that a bad idea? I mean, if you can get away with such basic questions any eejit can get 10 marks

The questions do not have to be difficult. Basic questions with correct grammar are fine. You only get 5 for asking though. The other 5 go for answering questions.

The High Crusade

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

http://www.scoilnet.ie/ScruduBeil2012.shtm

http://irishstudysite.com/

Tbh you just need to keep it simple. Know your verbs and the key vocab for each picture. There's a lot of work involved in it but time constraints will mean that you can't spend too much time on it. Most of the marks are going for your communication so make sure you can keep describing the pictures. Don't forget about the questions portion. There's an easy 10 marks to be gained there.

Finding that first link really helpful, cheers!

frulewis

as I'm an external student with no teacher to ask just out of interest
what topics are ye covering in schools i've done the usual me fein, mo theaglach etc.. but just curious to see what ye are doing in the schools particularly modh chonnilodh questions... can't even spell that right oh god this is going to be a disaster!!

Namlub

frulewis wrote: »

as I'm an external student with no teacher to ask just out of interest
what topics are ye covering in schools i've done the usual me fein, mo theaglach etc.. but just curious to see what ye are doing in the schools particularly modh chonnilodh questions... can't even spell that right oh god this is going to be a disaster!!

If you're doing higher level, you'll might want to do some saol an lae inniu stuff, on unemployment, emigration, alcohol, etc. (If you haven't already), then you can fit it a few modh coinniollach pieces on what you'd do if you were taoiseach/minister


These orals are going to be bant, ta siad ag tnuth go mor liom chun a bheith macanta libh. I have no idea if that made sense...

Canard

Namlub wrote: »

If you're doing higher level, you'll might want to do some saol an lae inniu stuff, on unemployment, emigration, alcohol, etc. (If you haven't already), then you can fit it a few modh coinniollach pieces on what you'd do if you were taoiseach/minister


These orals are going to be bant, ta siad ag tnuth go mor liom chun a bheith macanta libh. I have no idea if that made sense...

Think it should be 'ta me ag tnuth go mor leo' :P

Completely forgot about the modh connyhuienjmk. Meh.
I got 220 in my mock but like...I just know they'll ask me some extremely awkward question :rolleyes: Here's hoping I can steer the general conversation the way I always do... >_>

Namlub

No, the orals are looking forward to me cos I'm awesome :mad:

Wesc.

rkeano5 wrote: »

Bhuel, táim ceart go leor ach beagánín néirbhíseach chun a fhírinne a rá..
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Haha, our oral examiner in the mock had a word with us about this, she said it was the most overused sentence in the oral and to definitely not say it because everyone says it!! I admit to saying that exact sentence myself :P


One other thing, did anyone here have a really abstract conversation? Ours was extremely basic with all the simple questions and I'm a bit puzzled in that will the actual thing be like this?

Canard

Wesc. wrote: »

Haha, our oral examiner in the mock had a word with us about this, she said it was the most overused sentence in the oral and to definitely not say it because everyone says it!! I admit to saying that exact sentence myself :P


One other thing, did anyone here have a really abstract conversation? Ours was extremely basic with all the simple questions and I'm a bit puzzled in that will the actual thing be like this?

Me too What happened in my mock mock oral was I mentioned having a twin sister and while she was all 'oohhhh! ' I launched into how its helpful because she does HL Irish too and things like that, about school :pac: In my mock oral it went kind of the same, just talked about universities...no social problems, the conversation just never went that way and there was never any need for it to. If you show you can use all the tenses and accurate Irish I think they just let it be a natural conversation

Namlub

I'd say it depends on the examiner tbh, some probably go with the flow of the conversation more than others. Like for my pre oral I was in the middle of talking about Leaving Cert pressure and she interrepted me to to ask about the problems of the health service...,

frulewis

ah feck it sure lads go in try fit as much of your pre learned stuff in as you can which is my plan because if she asks me stuff I don't know or can't understand i'm just going to say that's not a very good question why don't I tell you about my hobbies I know they'll rephrase it if you ask them to but i'm betting I still won't have a clue!

brownstone

What difficult topics are people learning for the oral?

Josh93

Wesc. wrote: »

One other thing, did anyone here have a really abstract conversation? Ours was extremely basic with all the simple questions and I'm a bit puzzled in that will the actual thing be like this?

There will almost certainly be 1 or 2 questions that haven't been prepared, so we've been told, particularly if you're doing higher level. Like for my mock oral I was just talking about school and then I was asked do I think if girls perform better than boys in state examinations! I'm not saying it'll be that extreme, but just be aware of it.

Canard

Does anyone wanna post a list of what theyre learning? I just sort of rely on my vocab and it works fine...but i'd feel more comfortable with a list :P

Josh93

Patchy~ wrote: »

Does anyone wanna post a list of what theyre learning? I just sort of rely on my vocab and it works fine...but i'd feel more comfortable with a list :P

A list off hand would be:
Me Fein, Mo Chlann, Mo Chaitheamh Aimsire
Mo Scoil (3 A's - Atmaisfear, na hAbhair, Aiseanna), Mo Cheantar
Telifis, Idirlion, Scannan, Leabhar
Sport, Ceol
Post Partaimseartha, An Bhliain seo chugainn
Coras Oideachais, Coras Slainte, Fadhbanna Soisialta
Laethanta Saoire thar lear, Idirbhliain

That's just what I can remember really but if you need more just message me

Canard

Nah thats fine! Thank you!

frulewis

With the picture sequences do they pick one out you go through each picture and then ask you qs about each one or just three questions in general about it? and what sort of qs do you ask them? am very confused wish i'd never signed up to do this feckin oral

Incompetent

Do we pick the tense when we start talking? I'm doing ordinary, and realised I got 20 of these to learn by next week.

bettyboop1

hey all, just a quick question for some of you regarding the picture sequences for honours irish.
did anybody hear that pictures 1-10 are for pass and 11-20 for honours? i am doing irish again as a mature student and thats what has been suggested by other students, but i dont think theres any evidence to suggest this apart from the fact the latter seem a bit more complicated? has anyone else heard this from reliable sources eg teachers etc?
also have you been recommended to do pictures in aimsir caite or aimsir laithreach?im planning on doing past tense, purely because i find it easier.

and final question are ye making the stories about yourselves or about random people? thanks for all your help and good luck to all of ye

bettyboop1

i just posted the same question! would like to know the answer to this also, i think we can pick our tense, but would like to know the general consensus!!20 pictures is ridiculous, even ten would be difficult to remember!

grantyrs10

Is féidir leat cloí leis an aimsir chaite nó an aimsir láithreach. Tá sé do rogha féin. Is fearr liomsa úsáid a bhaint as an aimsir láithreach. Ní mór duit cloí leis an aimsir ina thosaíonn tusa.

you can use either the present or the past but you must not switch tenses adhere to the tense you begin with . good luck

Canard

Definitely not true. The examiner wont know your level and you have to pick it at random from envelopes.

I do mine about random people in the present tense but what you're doing is fine too.

Bears and Vodka

frulewis wrote: »

With the picture sequences do they pick one out you go through each picture and then ask you qs about each one or just three questions in general about it? and what sort of qs do you ask them? am very confused wish i'd never signed up to do this feckin oral

You dont "sign up" to do the oral - you just have to do it.
As far as I remember you ask them a few questions and then they ask you. It can be really random stuff like what is on the poster on the wall, or how old do you think someone was. It doesnt matter what you ask, they are just testing your ability to ask stuff.

frulewis

no i'm a mature student I didn't actually have to do the Irish at all I thought it would be fun to learn it again sorry didn't make myself clear there, ah don't mind me am only stressing out!

bettyboop1

thanks for your help.and finally does anyone have 3 good generic questions you are planning to use for all pictures? like "do you like this story", "what is happening in this picture" etc....like them only worded better!! thanks

Josh93

bettyboop1 wrote: »

and finally does anyone have 3 good generic questions you are planning to use for all pictures? like "do you like this story", "what is happening in this picture" etc....like them only worded better!!

The "cad a tharla sa phictuir seo" type of questions are pass standard apparently. Good generic questions for honours would be stuff like "conas a bhraith siad" (how did they feel) or "meas tu, ar bhain siad taitneamh as" (do you think they enjoyed it)

grantyrs10

Defo go with An dóigh leatsa go bhfuil ano cheacht le foghlaim as an sraith seo ?

Another handy mayb overused ha is cén cuma atá ar aghaidh an fhir/na mná/an bhuachalla/an chailín

Namlub

The thing that annoys me about the sraith is that, even though you pick them at random, there's a massive gap in standard between them. Seriously, compare something like An Cluiche Riomhaire to Tuairimi Eagsula Faoi Dheagoiri...

grantyrs10

Namlub wrote: »

The thing that annoys me about the sraith is that, even though you pick them at random, there's a massive gap in standard between them. Seriously, compare something like An Cluiche Riomhaire to Tuairimi Eagsula Faoi Dheagoiri...

I def agree.... heres hoping i get 1st sraith, Tá sé in am tosú ag obair

galwaymusic

So... In Honours...basically I haven't touched the Sraith Pictúirí and there's 20!! Don't want to learn 20 SP's, So any tips on how to cover them quickly? Just vocab and facial expressions? Thanks