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Valve developing steam box console

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    #182
    Shiminay
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 28,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Shiminay


    For what it's worth, I have a list of criteria that if this thing matches, I'll buy it when my current hardware becomes too slow.

    1) Mouse and Keyboard support - this is the most important thing for me.
    2) I can bring my already extensive Steam Library over to it.
    3) I can tweak settings on games in the same way I can on a PC now - I don't need fully fledged suite of video options because we're gonna have "controlled" hardware, but I'd want to be able to change FOVs and controls and huds and all that.

    If it matches up on those things, I see absolutely no reason why I wouldn't buy one tbh.


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    #183
    Kinski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    hooradiation wrote: »
    Though whomever told you that sticking "no offence" on the end of sentences negated you being a total tool beforehand really should have their right to teach English revoked.

    That should read "whoever told you," when you're done lecturing other people on how to use English...


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    #184
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Kinski wrote: »
    That should read "whoever told you," when you're done lecturing other people on how to use English...

    These days, either way is valid.

    But enjoy your forthcoming warning, if the rules of the thread so far are being consistently applied.


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    #185
    Kinski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    hooradiation wrote: »
    These days, either way is valid.

    Well, I disagree - as would many descriptivist linguists - but I'll leave it at that.


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    #186
    Nody
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    Right, time for a bit of thread ressurrection. Phoronix (a linux based online news site) has posted an article claiming that the box will run a customized version of linux. This will also coincide with the new Valve engine which will run on same version of linux as well. They also link to a confirmation article by golem.de (English google transation is here) which has confirmation by Ben Krasnow "a Valves of hardware developers" that it will run linux and not windows and should be live in 2013.

    Now the question is how well can their version of the linux core handle the "current" PC games and make them compatible...


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    #187
    Kiith
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    Isn't having the Steam box Linux based just going to make it more difficult to develop for the pc? I mean developers already have to account for a massive amount of different hardware, never mind different versions of Windows. Now we're adding a completely different OS into it? I can't see the Activision's/EA's of the world being too happy about it.


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    #188
    Nody
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    Kiith wrote: »
    Isn't having the Steam box Linux based just going to make it more difficult to develop for the pc? I mean developers already have to account for a massive amount of different hardware, never mind different versions of Windows. Now we're adding a completely different OS into it? I can't see the Activision's/EA's of the world being too happy about it.
    Depends on how compatible with Windows they can make it I'd guess; if it works out as a slightly annoying version of Windows I don't think many companies would care as they do Xbox/PS3/PC ports anyway (and those are significantly different enviroments).


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    #189
    ShadowHearth
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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm didn't someone, who by fact had more educated view then me, was proving me, that not a hope the new valve OS will be Linux based.

    Anyway, good good news. If valve will pull this off and make Linux in process fully games friendly then Microsoft will be in a bit **** spot. Which is lovely indeed.


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    #190
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Nody wrote: »
    Right, time for a bit of thread ressurrection. Phoronix (a linux based online news site) has posted an article claiming that the box will run a customized version of linux. This will also coincide with the new Valve engine which will run on same version of linux as well. They also link to a confirmation article by golem.de (English google transation is here) which has confirmation by Ben Krasnow "a Valves of hardware developers" that it will run linux and not windows and should be live in 2013.

    Now the question is how well can their version of the linux core handle the "current" PC games and make them compatible...

    If all windows games dont play seamlessly on this platform it will be ein flopsicle. Wonder what valve are planning :confused:


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    #191
    Kinski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    Anyway, good good news. If valve will pull this off and make Linux in process fully games friendly then Microsoft will be in a bit **** spot. Which is lovely indeed.

    Great, 'cause I'm never adopting Windows 8.


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    #192
    PogMoThoin
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    How big is the Valve Mac catalogue, because these all run OpenGl and are very easily ported to linux?


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    #193
    Reekwind
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    Kinski wrote: »
    Great, 'cause I'm never adopting Windows 8.
    Which, from what I've been reading, is Valve's attitude as well. They're apparently not impressed with Microsoft's moves towards a closed platform


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    #194
    marco_polo
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    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    How big is the Valve Mac catalogue, because these all run OpenGl and are very easily ported to linux?

    Pretty sure everything that can reasonably be ported to Mac has been by now, (ie from the Orange Box onwards). I doubt they will ever revisit the really old incarnations of the Source engine.

    By the way are the are already miles ahead of you on the old linux porting ;)

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118882-Valves-Source-Engine-Runs-Better-on-Linux-Than-Windows


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    #195
    Creamy Goodness
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    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    How big is the Valve Mac catalogue, because these all run OpenGl and are very easily ported to linux?
    I think everything source and above has been ported to OS X.


    There's over 100 games on OS X for steam, also currently 40 steam games ported to linux.


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    #196
    hooradiation
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm didn't someone, who by fact had more educated view then me, was proving me, that not a hope the new valve OS will be Linux based.


    I said it'd be a fucking stupid move.
    And it still would be.
    If this is true.

    Are you done trying to be clever now?


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    #197
    ShadowHearth
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    hooradiation wrote: »
    I said it'd be a fucking stupid move.
    And it still would be.
    If this is true.

    Are you done trying to be clever now?

    This smell of irony is just fantastic! :D


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    #198
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    This smell of irony is just fantastic! :D

    Well, if you think I said otherwise, feel free to show me.
    Otherwise, find someone else to misuse words at.


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    #199
    GTR63
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    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/385343/valve-will-exhibit-living-room-pc-hardware-at-ces/
    Big news about the Steambox? coming this week at CES.


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    #200
    cherryghost
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    Engadget has had a hands on with Xi3's Piston, the little PC heavily back from Valve. More than likely, this will the steam box.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/hands-on-with-xi3s-piston-modular-pc-at-ces/


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    #201
    Duggy747
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    A lot smaller than I was thinking, if this is to be the general box.

    Looking forward to the reveal.


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    #202
    ShadowHearth
    Registered Users Posts: 22,929 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    I wonder if valve want to drop it off for this Xmas season to get Xbox and PS choke a bit.

    I am really worried a bit. It is really really small. I can't wait for more info!


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    #203
    Andy!!
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    hooradiation wrote: »
    Are you done trying to be clever now?

    Shadowhearth would have to stop posting entirely for this to happen unfortunately. :pac:

    I'm keen to see what they show in the next month, but I have a decent P.C. already. Hence I reckon I'd be far more likely to pick up an nVidia Shield than this, unfortunately. And there's little chance of that. :P Unless they really surprise me with something out of the blue. Like a year exclusivity of Half-Life 3 or something. :P

    I'm sad, Valve don't seem to be catering to me personally these days :P I don't play very competitive MP so DOTA and CS:GO is out for me, I don't play TF2 either so I have no interest in hats :pac: this last sale was a little crap and this box probably won't interest me that much either. C'mon Valve, cater for the SP/social MP side of your market! :)

    I also doubt very much that that's what the steambox will be shaped like; I'd say the innards will be almost exactly the same but the chassis will look different. That concave curving in looks so cheap. I hope they give the steambox a nice embossed Steam logo on the body :)

    I also think Linux is a good idea, W8 is supposed to be a cluster****, and I prefer opensource software anyways. They'll just have to really push that whole porting thing then they're golden. I mean, the PS3 and WiiU doesn't run off Windows, right? And they're doing just fine. It's just a skin to us at the end of the day.


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    #204
    Azza
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    Going by Valve's recent statements on the Windows 8 App Store, it seems their great fear is that Microsoft might lock Windows gaming behind licensing walls, the same way as they do on the Xbox. The App Store may also become a major rival being the default digital content provider on the Windows operating system.

    The development of a Linux based console would be part of a quite a long term strategy to counter act this, at least partially. It gives developers on the one hand a reason to develop Linux games now, as it may actually be financially viable to do so. But for Valve each game that's made for Linux is another game they can sell on Steam on the PC and having a robust library of games on Linux gives PC gamers and Steam users more incentive to use Linux. The more Linux users they have making up there customer base the less control Microsoft can exert over them.

    Linux will also mean the Steambox or as some have dubbed it the "Gabecube" will cost less than a console with a Windows OS on it. Steam has 41 Linux based games currently most of them indie games. I suspect by launch all Valves back catalogue will be ported. Blizzard said they are porting one of there major titles to Linux this year as well. If Valve could produce Half Life 3 as the Steambox's killer app close to its release they might not be in bad a position at launch, but it still would not be enough to ensure the consoles success. That will obviously be down to 3rd party developers getting on board in the long run.

    On the other hand a Windows OS would allow them to launch a console with 2,500 titles at launch and no worries about getting developers to support them. A pretty compelling reason to use it.


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    #205
    Dyr
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    Andy!! wrote: »


    I also think Linux is a good idea, W8 is supposed to be a cluster****, and I prefer opensource software anyways. They'll just have to really push that whole porting thing then they're golden. I mean, the PS3 and WiiU doesn't run off Windows, right? And they're doing just fine. It's just a skin to us at the end of the day.

    "just" push the porting thing could be problematic, take a look at the size of their store. If existing PC games won't play on this without each game being individually ported then I can't see the point. Steam is basically a shop. A shop that has to wait for all its products to be recreated would be dubious


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    #206
    witnessmenow
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    Bambi wrote: »
    "just" push the porting thing could be problematic, take a look at the size of their store. If existing PC games won't play on this without each game being individually ported then I can't see the point. Steam is basically a shop. A shop that has to wait for all its products to be recreated would be dubious

    If they offer commission free sales for the first 6 months of the steambox if they port to linux, might be enought to entice people.

    Also remember that valve have created some of the best games, they will be porting their own games.


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    #207
    Nody
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    Bambi wrote: »
    "just" push the porting thing could be problematic, take a look at the size of their store. If existing PC games won't play on this without each game being individually ported then I can't see the point. Steam is basically a shop. A shop that has to wait for all its products to be recreated would be dubious
    Or they may simply play it smart and have the box work as a streaming engine from the PC for anything not ported to it using WiFi or similar set up. Porting problem solved; full game catalogue is there and ready to be used.


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    #208
    Dyr
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    witnessmenow wrote: »
    If they offer commission free sales for the first 6 months of the steambox if they port to linux, might be enought to entice people.

    Also remember that valve have created some of the best games, they will be porting their own games.

    The list of valve games may be impressive but it ain't long and it aint updated often, I don't think that is gonna sell this device. Maybe valve are playing a long game here and are willing to accept that this device is only the opening shot in a long campaign


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    #209
    PseudoFamous
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    cherryghost wrote: »
    Engadget has had a hands on with Xi3's Piston, the little PC heavily back from Valve. More than likely, this will the steam box.

    http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/hands-on-with-xi3s-piston-modular-pc-at-ces/

    Previously: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/262476727/xi3-help-us-usher-in-the-post-pc-era

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/321419/posts/322184/image-166395-full.jpg?1349398719

    $499 for the cheapest one, CPU/GPU is a T56N, which is not suitable for gaming at all. For $499 you could build something significantly better.


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    #210
    Andy!!
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    Bambi wrote: »
    "just" push the porting thing could be problematic, take a look at the size of their store.

    It's the responsibility of the individual developer to provide the port, not Valves.


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    #211
    aN.Droid
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    Andy!! wrote: »
    It's the responsibility of the individual developer to provide the port, not Valves.

    Yes and if they don't then the steambox will not be very impressive will it?

    I am sure valve have some sort of agreement with the more popular dev's to port their games and the rest will trickle in afterwards.

    My guess is in 2-3 years the majority of games released on steam will be cross platform IF the steambox is succesful.


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