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France V Ireland – Stade de France, Paris. Sunday 4th March 15:00 RTE2 & BBC2

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    #1442
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,901 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    vixdname wrote: »
    I bet you werent saying that when ROG scored that fantastic drop goal that won us the Grandslam a short time back, eaten bread is soon forgotten

    Eh the Grand Slam was 3 years ago?

    What has that got to with anything I've said?

    We've seen what happens when ROG starts. He hits the corner and kicks his goals.

    The opposition then target his channel because he's a waek defender. They break the gainline and then start again.

    I'm not knocking ROG. The man has been a great player for Ireland and Munster for years. But he's 34 now and won't be around for much longer. We've already seen that he's not as good as he once was. Sexton needs to play because he'll be our only immediate option once ROG is gone.


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    #1443
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    twinytwo wrote: »
    But you are making the assumption that he is the reason we lost... which he was not.

    No the reason we lose those games is the gameplan, which is based around his kicking game.

    Or else its just a massive coincidence?


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    #1444
    clsmooth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    vixdname wrote: »
    I bet you werent saying that when ROG scored that fantastic drop goal that won us the Grandslam a short time back, eaten bread is soon forgotten

    Yeah a short time ago, 3 years ago. Are you serious?


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    #1445
    vixdname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Clegg wrote: »
    Eh the Grand Slam was 3 years ago?

    What has that got to with anything I've said?

    Go back and read the past posts


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    #1446
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Disappointed we didn't win but in the context of the championship a draw is much worse for France than it is for us. Plus I thought Ireland would lose by at least 10 so tbh I can't complain. What annoys me is how Ireland didn't score in the second half despite having enough possession and territory.

    Pearson is disgracefully bad, how Healy wasn't binned for being a lazy runner in the first half I'll never know. A few poor penalty decisions too.

    Also, I love you Tommy Bowe.


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    #1447
    bleg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    What did Trimble do today?


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    #1448
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    Leinster7 wrote: »
    GerM wrote: »
    Muttering to himself as he walks off isn't precisely hiring a billboard to publicly air his views. He was p*ssed off at being taken off. He muttered "F*ck sake" as he walked off. Not like he looked over, caught the camera looking at him and said it to the camera. I would say the exact same thing happened about a dozen times this weekend in the Pro12. Big whoop.

    I'm not surprised. The players are fed up with Deccie too. After he told them to play his 'Territory' game 2nd half they came out looking deflated. Do you blame 'em?

    Yeah puzzling tactics the conditions were absolutely perfect for an expansive running game in that second half after all.

    Or possibly you are just not a good body language reader.


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    #1449
    Kassandra Slimy Catfish
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    bleg wrote: »
    What did Trimble do today?

    Bashed Clerc and Poitrenau.

    Nothing else much though


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    #1450
    Beubeu
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beubeu


    molloyjh wrote: »
    vixdname wrote: »
    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's amazing how not one bit of this post is true. (unless you're name isn't actually Declan)

    If you could give me an example of one game we lost by Sexton missing a kick I'd be very appreciative.

    I'm not saying we lost games solely because of sexton, what I'm saying is is that Sexton is more consistently making hashes of what would be considered easy scores then anyone else, compare him to ROG, Kidney consistently puts Sexton on early in matches and ends up putting in O'Gara to try and mop up some of the ****e that been left for him in the second half.
    Dont try and tell me you've never seen this ? Or are you one of the Johnny Sexton fans that wear blinkers and thinks he can do no wrong

    Wow. Simply just wow. I really have no idea where to start with this one.

    You've obviously a fairly limited grasp of the game and/or several pairs of red tinted glasses on. Johnny was excellent today. Damn near MOTM performance. His kick didn't stop us going in at half time 10 points up or scoring 2 tries to 1. His defence was outstanding and his up and unders were, IIRC, all contestable. Yet 1 missed kick early in the game earns him this!?

    A couple of weeks ago Dan Parks retired from international rugby. The guy was giving it his all but the Scottish fans got on his back and were so abusive to him he decided it wasn't worth it. It was pretty pathetic behaviour from the Scots all told. These kinds of posts are the Irish equivalent. I just hope comments like these remain very much in the minority here. He honestly could sh1t a gold brick and people here would find something to complain about or believe ROG could sh1t a better one.
    I never understood that war about ROG and Sexton. Fair enough people can support Munster or Leinster but today Irelans was playing. Sexton made some bad kicks in the past but today he was good on the pitch. when he has the ball and when he tackles Sexton is waaayyy better than ROG. We all know ROG is a wonderfull kicker but he is 35! Somtimes when I hear Some Munster supporter i feel like they understand rugby with the american football rules, when the kickers comes on the pitch, kick and go to the banch. fyi im not a Leinster supporter, not even Irish


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    #1451
    EmeraldNK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭EmeraldNK


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bashed Clerc and Poitrenau.

    Nothing else much though

    Agreed, not his best game today at all.


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    #1452
    Leinster7
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭Leinster7


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Yeah puzzling tactics the conditions were absolutely perfect for an expansive running game in that second half after all.

    Or possibly you are just not a good body language reader.

    Yeh, the Kiwis, Aussies and French always employ a good kicking for territory game when the 'conditions' dictate it. Its just how modern rugby should be played really. Well done.


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    Leinster7
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    Beubeu wrote: »
    I never understood that war about ROG and Sexton. Fair enough people can support Munster or Leinster but today Irelans was playing. Sexton made some bad kicks in the past but today he was good on the pitch. when he has the ball and when he tackles Sexton is waaayyy better than ROG. We all know ROG is a wonderfull kicker but he is 35! Somtimes when I hear Some Munster supporter i feel like they understand rugby with the american football rules, when the kickers comes on the pitch, kick and go to the banch. fyi im not a Leinster supporter, not even Irish

    ROFL?


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    #1454
    EmeraldNK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭EmeraldNK


    Leinster7 wrote: »
    Yeh, the Kiwis, Aussies and French always employ a good kicking for territory game when the 'conditions' dictate it. Its just how modern rugby should be played really. Well done.

    The Aussies and the Kiwis rarely ever have to deal with such conditions, therefore they rarely play such a strategy...


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    Leinster7
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭Leinster7


    EmeraldNK wrote: »
    The Aussies and the Kiwis rarely ever have to deal with such conditions, therefore they rarely play such a strategy...

    are you mental? (I love you even if you are mental)...oh wait. I forgot. it NEVER rains in Oz or NZ ...silly me. Well done.


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    #1456
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    EmeraldNK wrote: »
    The Aussies and the Kiwis rarely ever have to deal with such conditions, therefore they rarely play such a strategy...

    You must be joking? eek.gif

    It rains plenty in NZ. The annual rainfaill in Auckland is nearly twice that of Paris.


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    #1457
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,180 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    EmeraldNK wrote: »
    The Aussies and the Kiwis rarely ever have to deal with such conditions, therefore they rarely play such a strategy...

    just remember thomond park in the wind and the rain, they went home after 5 mins.


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    #1458
    matt-dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭matt-dublin


    WHat a lot of the sexton bashers/ROG fans are forgetting here is that ROGs fitness is not what it once was, he also doesn't have the ground ball game that sexton has and you may very well find that this may be his last international season.

    when you've big hitters out there like the french the only thing that ROG can bring to the game is consistent kicking.

    also sexton's kick at the start of the match wasn't bread and butter stuff, it was straight but a long way out into a strong headwind. the french missed more but yet sexton comes out worse?

    sexton had MoM last week, and was damn near close to MoM today IMO, i think kearney deserved it and i think Bowe did too but the two tries brought it his way.


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    #1459
    Beubeu
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beubeu


    bleg wrote: »
    Beubeu wrote: »
    yes you re right but come on Ireland and Munster, have mastered this for years!
    Still Ireland should have won today.

    Remember Wayne Barnes when munster played montauban? If the same rules emphasis was in place today then we would have had 15 extra penalties. The amount of times dusatoir went in off his feet and sealed off was ridiculous.

    It's probably the most infuriating thing about rugby: "this year we are going to put emphasis on this law and forget about last year's".
    today u are absolutly right, what about Munster in the 2008's Hcup final? The refs are so inconsistent and thats killing rugby slowly im afraid


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    #1460
    EmeraldNK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 69 ✭✭EmeraldNK


    Leinster7 wrote: »
    are you mental? (I love you even if you are mental)...oh wait. I forgot. it NEVER rains in Oz or NZ ...silly me. Well done.

    Never? Is that what I said? Cos I could have sworn I said rarely...


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    #1461
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    EmeraldNK wrote: »
    Never? Is that what I said? Cos I could have sworn I said rarely...

    It rains in NZ all the time... :/


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    #1462
    twinytwo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,180 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    people blaming sexton need to grow a pair, kickers will miss kicks it happens... sometimes they miss the easing ones and sometimes they score the impossible ones.

    The game being drawn today had nothing to with sexton or murray for that matter.


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    #1463
    Beubeu
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beubeu


    EmeraldNK wrote: »
    Leinster7 wrote: »
    Yeh, the Kiwis, Aussies and French always employ a good kicking for territory game when the 'conditions' dictate it. Its just how modern rugby should be played really. Well done.

    The Aussies and the Kiwis rarely ever have to deal with such conditions, therefore they rarely play such a strategy...
    Have you been in NewZealand! It s raining and its very windy (check on youtube that wonderfull penalty from Dan Carter)


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    #1464
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Beubeu wrote: »
    today u are absolutly right, what about Munster in the 2008's Hcup final? The refs are so inconsistent and thats killing rugby slowly im afraid
    Munster in 2008 is why they changed the rules!


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    danthefan
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    people blaming sexton need to grow a pair, kickers will miss kicks it happens... sometimes they miss the easing ones and sometimes they score the impossible ones.

    The game being drawn today had nothing to with sexton or murray for that matter.

    The match might have had a fairly different complexion at half time if not for his remarkable defensive performance.


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    #1466
    phog
    Registered Users Posts: 24,036 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Higher wrote: »
    ffs Murray

    The ref got it wrong, the scrum was moving.
    MickySticks wrote: »
    Rare miss from Parra.

    According to @ruckingoodstats on twitter it was s similar miss to his w/cup miss that cost France the W/Cup
    Higher wrote: »
    AGHHHH EARLS if you just picked that up instead of trying to kick it!

    Darcy should have claimed it first then it was Earls who should have dived on it.
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    For people saying Pearson was harsh to Ireland keep in mind we should have been down to 13 when we scored our second try.

    He's never one sided, he's blind in both eyes.

    That's about the only favour he did us, Sexton was nailed late and no penalty was awarded and it was in a prime position and late in the game.
    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Anyone notice SOB giving out about being taken off? Not nice to see

    I'm delighted, that's what I want to see, a player thinking why me, hopefully we''ll see am improved SOB next time.
    MungBean wrote: »
    Earls was ok but he's just not a 13, he doesnt have the head for it. Hacking at the loose ball cost us 7 points. He scuppered a couple chances by being so selfish, he seems blind to the options around him when he has ball in hand. Thought his defence was ok though, so we are where we have always been with him I think. He'll do a job, a job filling the spot while Drico is out and a job holding back real 13's from coming onto the international stage.

    Very harsh on Earls, Darcy was as much responsible for the loose ball as Earls, neither covered themsleves in glory at the time. He made his tackles something which some here said he wouldn't, in fact most predicted he'd have a mare against Rougerie, how wrong they were. He received a terrible ball and still managed to give a sublime pass to Bowe for his 2nd try.

    When leading 6- 17 at halftime it was hugely important for us to score early in the 2nd half just to keep the points difference ticking over but we gifted them possession and terriorty with our errors. In the 2nd half alone had 2 scrums and they had 7, we coughed up 2 or 3 of our lineouts in all the times we kicked the ball away (including restarts) we won it twice, Kearney's being spectacular.

    I think the team will see this a loss after such a good start today.

    PS I hope Murray is not out for too long, hate to see a player going down injured.


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    molloyjh
    Registered Users Posts: 24,745 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Beubeu wrote: »
    I never understood that war about ROG and Sexton. Fair enough people can support Munster or Leinster but today Irelans was playing. Sexton made some bad kicks in the past but today he was good on the pitch. when he has the ball and when he tackles Sexton is waaayyy better than ROG. We all know ROG is a wonderfull kicker but he is 35! Somtimes when I hear Some Munster supporter i feel like they understand rugby with the american football rules, when the kickers comes on the pitch, kick and go to the banch. fyi im not a Leinster supporter, not even Irish

    The provincial tribal behaviour does get old fast. Most of us support Ireland and our provinces, and can separate the two. A small number support "their" players within the Irish team. It's frustrating but it's inevitable. And no one province has a monopoly on it.


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    #1468
    Beubeu
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beubeu


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Beubeu wrote: »
    today u are absolutly right, what about Munster in the 2008's Hcup final? The refs are so inconsistent and thats killing rugby slowly im afraid
    Munster in 2008 is why they changed the rules!
    but the refs are inconsistent. the Irb should do something and help the ref. yellow card should be shown more often


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    #1469
    thomond2006
    Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    danthefan wrote: »
    The match might have had a fairly different complexion at half time if not for his remarkable defensive performance.

    Absolutely right.


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    #1470
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 16,901 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    vixdname wrote: »
    Go back and read the past posts

    All you're doing is falling back on the "But sure he kicked a drop goal" excuse. That was 3 years ago and he's not as good as he once was. He gets targeted mercilessly by the oppo when he's on the pitch.

    It's clear that he won't be around for much longer. Sexton had a good game today.The calls for him to be dropped are daft.


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    #1471
    Beubeu
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Beubeu


    molloyjh wrote: »
    Beubeu wrote: »
    I never understood that war about ROG and Sexton. Fair enough people can support Munster or Leinster but today Irelans was playing. Sexton made some bad kicks in the past but today he was good on the pitch. when he has the ball and when he tackles Sexton is waaayyy better than ROG. We all know ROG is a wonderfull kicker but he is 35! Somtimes when I hear Some Munster supporter i feel like they understand rugby with the american football rules, when the kickers comes on the pitch, kick and go to the banch. fyi im not a Leinster supporter, not even Irish

    The provincial tribal behaviour does get old fast. Most of us support Ireland and our provinces, and can separate the two. A small number support "their" players within the Irish team. It's frustrating but it's inevitable. And no one province has a monopoly on it.
    we have the same in france with clermont and toulouse supporters, biarritz's supporters are quiter lately ;)


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