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    #32
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Anan1 wrote: »
    On which point, isn't the resident disc system intrinsically unfair? If everyone has an equal right to park on the public road then why is living there a condition of buying a permit?
    Everyone has an equal right to park there until the council introduce restrictions.

    At which point all must pay for the privilige. A residents permit, is, by definition, only for residents, and is a flat fee payment instead of paying per hour. A bulk discount, if you will. Doesnt change the initial point.


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    #33
    creedp
    Registered Users Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭creedp


    Anan1 wrote: »
    OK, i'll rephrase. On roads without disc parking, residents and non-residents have equal rights. Once disc parking is introduced this is no longer the case. Surely this goes against the point that public roads belong to all of us?:)

    On street resident parking permits do not give you prioroty parking entitlements on a street. It simply means you can park there if a space is available for a set annual fee. If no space available tough. So it doesn't change the resident/non-resident equal rights equation with the exception of cost.


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    #34
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,818 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    creedp wrote: »
    On street resident parking permits do not give you prioroty parking entitlements on a street. It simply means you can park there if a space is available for a set annual fee. If no space available tough. So it doesn't change the resident/non-resident equal rights equation with the exception of cost.
    But it does favour residents over non-residents in terms of cost. What i'm wondering is why residents are favoured in any way over non-residents if both are said to have equal rights on a public street?


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    #35
    E39MSport
    Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Well thats not biased at all :rolleyes:

    The law is there to set in stone what is acceptable and what is not. You do not own the road outside your house. If there are no restrictions made by the council (pay & display/Permits) then you have to accept that in a town area, people will be entitled to park there.

    This crap of "oooo ive been living here since 1750" really bugs me. Fuk off, you've no legal right to the public highway. End of. Yes, even if it is outside your house, it is still the public highway.

    If you've a problem with this then you need to implement pay & display or move.

    I think I started my post with "They're more than likely well aware of their rights". In other words, it's not an automatic right to park in front of their home.

    My post wasn't about rights but morals and you confirm the "Fuk off" attitude of you and others to the affected residents.

    The agression here perhaps masks a tacit acceptance of the infraction ?


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    #36
    creedp
    Registered Users Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭creedp


    Anan1 wrote: »
    But it does favour residents over non-residents in terms of cost. What i'm wondering is why residents are favoured in any way over non-residents if both are said to have equal rights on a public street?


    Maybe its because there is a recognition that it is a residential street and they reside on it .. better not shout too loud or someone might see a nice little revenue generator. I know we like to crucify car owners in this country but I think this might be a step too far. Motor tax would be nothing on having to pay €10 a day to park somewhere on your street if you are lucky to find a space!


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    #37
    Max Power1
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    E39MSport wrote: »
    I think I started my post with "They're more than likely well aware of their rights". In other words, it's not an automatic right to park in front of their home.

    My post wasn't about rights but morals and you confirm the "Fuk off" attitude of you and others to the affected residents.

    The agression here perhaps masks a tacit acceptance of the infraction ?
    Do they own the 2 square meters outside their house? Or perhaps they own further out, out to the middle of the road, and the rest of the road is owned by the residents on the other side?

    Get Real.


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    #38
    E39MSport
    Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Do they own the 2 square meters outside their house? Or perhaps they own further out, out to the middle of the road, and the rest of the road is owned by the residents on the other side?

    Get Real.

    Have you some mental block here?

    I said "it's not an automatic right to park in front of their home"


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    #39
    Max Power1
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    E39MSport wrote: »
    Have you some mental block here?

    I said "it's not an automatic right to park in front of their home"
    Well then where do you derive the sense of entitlement to park there then?

    I dont think I'm the only one with a mental block.


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    #40
    E39MSport
    Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Sweet Jesus

    "
    People may have been living in their homes for 40/50 years perhaps and happily parking outside when required.

    Then the shopping centre or business moves in and all of a sudden the road has turned from a quiet back street into a carpark.

    Squatters have more rights. It's not a matter of residents 'rights' but a moral one.

    You give no consideration to the people that live here. The older relatives/friends visiting. The sons/daughters visiting with triplets, the disabled.
    "

    That's where...

    And btw, my brother is the one with triplets, born 2 months premature and on several occasions walked down the road in the pissings of rain from the car, the neighbour is house bound and needs care, the carer has to walk to the house from up the road ......

    Want more?


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    #41
    Max Power1
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    E39MSport wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus

    "
    People may have been living in their homes for 40/50 years perhaps and happily parking outside when required.

    Then the shopping centre or business moves in and all of a sudden the road has turned from a quiet back street into a carpark.

    Squatters have more rights. It's not a matter of residents 'rights' but a moral one.

    You give no consideration to the people that live here. The older relatives/friends visiting. The sons/daughters visiting with triplets, the disabled.
    "

    That's where...

    And btw, my brother is the one with triplets, born 2 months premature and on several occasions walked down the road in the pissings of rain from the car, the neighbour is house bound and needs care, the carer has to walk to the house from up the road ......

    Want more?
    Yes
    Why do they get entitled to "Consideration" just because they live near to a certain area?
    Should I ask you before I park anywhere in dublin in case more consideration needs to be given?

    Or is it just a case of NIMBY, where you dont want me to park outside your house in public land?


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    #42
    Anan1
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    creedp wrote: »
    Maybe its because there is a recognition that it is a residential street and they reside on it ..
    So why doesn't that make any difference on streets without p&d?


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    #43
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Anan1 wrote: »
    So why doesn't that make any difference on streets without p&d?
    The only difference is that the residents are able to buy the "right" to park on the street in bulk, because they are going to be the ones that will need to bulk buy.


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    #44
    Anan1
    Registered Users Posts: 22,818 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    The only difference is that the residents are able to buy the "right" to park on the street in bulk, because they are going to be the ones that will need to bulk buy.
    It's a BIG difference. Why can't someone working around the corner (like the OP for example) buy a permit in the same way as a resident?


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    #45
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,250 ✭✭✭markpb


    E39MSport wrote: »
    And btw, my brother is the one with triplets, born 2 months premature and on several occasions walked down the road in the pissings of rain from the car, the neighbour is house bound and needs care, the carer has to walk to the house from up the road ......

    Your brother bought a house which (presumably) doesn't have its own parking and in the full knowledge that he doesn't have an automatic entitlement to park right outside his house. It's an irritation but nothing more. People parking outside his house can't know that he has triplets and a carer has to visit.
    Anan1 wrote: »
    It's a BIG difference. Why can't someone working around the corner (like the OP for example) buy a permit in the same way as a resident?

    I agree with you (in principle, not in practice) but for the sake of argument, I guess the council realise that people working there have a choice of how to get there. People living there are more likely to be parking for long periods of time (i.e. overnight and weekends). Forcing them to pay full rate for parking would be punitive.


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    #46
    creedp
    Registered Users Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭creedp


    Anan1 wrote: »
    It's a BIG difference. Why can't someone working around the corner (like the OP for example) buy a permit in the same way as a resident?


    Good Q .. why can't a season ticket holder for Croke park buy a annual parking permit for streets adjacent to Croke Park? I don't know but at the moment they can't! I am presuming you're being a bit faecitious here but as stated earlier there would appear to be some kind of reasonable understanding that people who own a house on a residential street should get some kind of subsidised parking on the street. Do you have a concern about this or are you more concerned that someone who doesn't live on the street is being discriminated against?


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    #47
    E39MSport
    Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    markpb wrote: »
    Your brother bought a house which (presumably) doesn't have its own parking and in the full knowledge that he doesn't have an automatic entitlement to park right outside his house. It's an irritation but nothing more. People parking outside his house can't know that he has triplets and a carer has to visit.



    I agree with you (in principle, not in practice) but for the sake of argument, I guess the council realise that people working there have a choice of how to get there. People living there are more likely to be parking for long periods of time (i.e. overnight and weekends). Forcing them to pay full rate for parking would be punitive.

    Not quite, he's visiting the folks who own the house.

    People parking outside should consider this when throwing their cars outside peoples homes for a full day and often overnight or even days at a time.

    But wait, they're not breaking any law so it's irrelevant. Society is completely scripted and nothing goes wrong.


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    #48
    glic71rods46t0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭glic71rods46t0


    I had a resident try to interrogate me on a street within walking distance of Dublin City Centre - querying my right to park outside his house.
    I told him I had a permit. He said "there are no permits for parking here" so I said "grand so - problem solved"


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    #49
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    E39MSport wrote: »
    Not quite, he's visiting the folks who own the house.

    People parking outside should consider this when throwing their cars outside peoples homes for a full day and often overnight or even days at a time.

    But wait, they're not breaking any law so it's irrelevant. Society is completely scripted and nothing goes wrong.

    So people shouldn't park in a public area because somebody else might want to use that spot?

    Maybe the house owners shouldn't park there in case someone is working close by and may need somewhere to park.

    Your argument doesn't really stack up to be honest.


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    #50
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    Yes
    Why do they get entitled to "Consideration" just because they live near to a certain area?
    Should I ask you before I park anywhere in dublin in case more consideration needs to be given?

    Or is it just a case of NIMBY, where you dont want me to park outside your house in public land?
    Quoted because you have not answered either of the points raised yet.

    (this is directed at E39MSPORT)


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    #51
    Max Power1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,272 ✭✭✭✭Max Power1


    adrian522 wrote: »
    Your argument doesn't really stack up to be honest.
    +1
    QFT


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    #52
    T-Maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    You must be the same people will selfishly park in the designated family parking bays at SC's because you can't be legally prosecuted.


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    #53
    adrian522
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    T-Maxx wrote: »
    You must be the same people will selfishly park in the designated family parking bays at SC's because you can't be legally prosecuted.

    No, but I don't see what the moral or ethical issue is with parking on a public road, especially when all the houses have a driveway .

    In your example those spaces are reserved for people with a particular need and there is a perfectly viable alternative.

    In the op example the space is not reserved for anybody and there is no viable alternative, I don't see what the issue is with parking there to be honest.

    If you are saying you wouldn't park on a street where there are houses in case the owner or a visitor might come along later, can I ask
    would it make any difference if you had to pay to use the space but it was still right outside someones house, would you still not park there for the reasons outlined above?


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    #54
    E39MSport
    Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    adrian522 wrote: »
    No, but I don't see what the moral or ethical issue is with parking on a public road, especially when all the houses have a driveway .

    In your example those spaces are reserved for people with a particular need and there is a perfectly viable alternative.

    In the op example the space is not reserved for anybody and there is no viable alternative, I don't see what the issue is with parking there to be honest.

    If you are saying you wouldn't park on a street where there are houses in case the owner or a visitor might come along later, can I ask
    would it make any difference if you had to pay to use the space but it was still right outside someones house, would you still not park there for the reasons outlined above?

    You may and I wouldn't. I only park outside if I am visiting and that's not even possible because jonny don't give a sh1t has a parked there and fecked off to work.

    It is a question of morals and that alone.

    People here clearly put their needs above others on the grounds of legalities. In most cases there is parking available albeit at a cost but it's cheaper to pas your problem on to other folk.


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    #55
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    MugMugs wrote: »
    I really really really can't understand why some people assume that it's their automatic right to park outside their house on a street.

    They do have such a right and they can and have got vehicles towed.


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    #56
    E39MSport
    Registered Users Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭E39MSport


    Doh


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    #57
    stoneill
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    corktina wrote: »
    sir, i repeat my point.Where do YOUR visitors park? Outside someone elses gaff I assume.

    Down in the cul-de-sac - where there is loads of space - why?


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    #58
    Voodoomelon
    Registered Users Posts: 9,662 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    ...so to sum up, the OP appears to have been disposed of by the house owner. :)


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    #59
    dahamsta
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    Park outside my house for the day lads. I promise your car'll look almost exactly the same when you come back.


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    #60
    pred racer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭pred racer


    E39MSport wrote: »
    You may and I wouldn't. I only park outside if I am visiting and that's not even possible because jonny don't give a sh1t has a parked there and fecked off to work.

    It is a question of morals and that alone.

    People here clearly put their needs above others on the grounds of legalities. In most cases there is parking available albeit at a cost but it's cheaper to pas your problem on to other folk.

    I have to agree with E39MSport here, just because you legally have the right to do something doesnt mean you should!

    I can park in the parents with children spot in tesco, but i dont because i like to think that a mother with a newborn might benifit more from it. (and walking 20 yds never killed anyone)

    I had the right to basically make as much noise as i liked during the daytime even though i knew my neighbour worked night shifts, i didnt. (some years ago)

    I have the right to set up my clay pigeon trap in one of my fields and bang away at it all day, but i dont!

    Im sure i probably could have sued my sons school after he broke his collar bone.......

    Now im sure fault can be found with all these analogys (sp???) but hopefully you get what im trying to say. I know if i was living in an estate and people were parking outside my house all the time I wouldnt be happy!

    And maybe I'm wrong but id bet the people that see it as ok, either dont own their own house, or if they do, dont have people parking outside it.


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    #61
    adrian522
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,095 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    E39MSport wrote: »
    adrian522 wrote: »
    No, but I don't see what the moral or ethical issue is with parking on a public road, especially when all the houses have a driveway .

    In your example those spaces are reserved for people with a particular need and there is a perfectly viable alternative.

    In the op example the space is not reserved for anybody and there is no viable alternative, I don't see what the issue is with parking there to be honest.

    If you are saying you wouldn't park on a street where there are houses in case the owner or a visitor might come along later, can I ask
    would it make any difference if you had to pay to use the space but it was still right outside someones house, would you still not park there for the reasons outlined above?

    You may and I wouldn't. I only park outside if I am visiting and that's not even possible because jonny don't give a sh1t has a parked there and fecked off to work.

    It is a question of morals and that alone.

    People here clearly put their needs above others on the grounds of legalities. In most cases there is parking available albeit at a cost but it's cheaper to pas your problem on to other folk.


    I have to say i find it strange that you wouldn't park on a street that has houses on it as a matter of morals or whatever, I genuinely wouldn't think twice about it to be honest. I grew up on a housing estate and people used to park anywhere on the street there was a space.

    So in the case of the op would you just turn around and drive home rather than park on the housing estate? If so I'd find that pretty strange to be honest ,and I'd say you'd be in a minority.

    I understand that it could be frustrating if someone parks outside of your house but at the end of the day its not your property so I don't think you can expect people to ignore that space especially if there is nowhere else to park.


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