Planetside 2

StinkyMunkey

Anyone gonna give PS2 a bash when it hits the shops?

http://www.planetside2.com/

Venom

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Anyone gonna give PS2 a bash when it hits the shops?

http://www.planetside2.com/

No chance in hell will I touch this when its released.

Seeing as how its an SOE game I will avoid it for at least 6 months or free trials.

oxo_

Yeah I will for sure.
It'll be great fun with old platoons coming back together again after so many years since PS1.
The game really depends on continuing high pops and SOE's ability to deal proper and fast with hackers, the gameplay should already be spot on.
Really looking forward to it.

Nody

Yes, I was in PS1 as late as 6 months ago as the shakes came on me again so I'll join in on PS2 even though I don't have high hopes for it.

hairyheretic

I plan on being there.

VinLieger

Deffinitely gonna be playing this, have very fond memories of epic battles from PS1

oxo_

Apparently, original PlanetSide 1 players will get priority access to the upcoming beta.
Here's hoping that holds true !

Also, PcGamer are giving out a priority beta code in their April issue - http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/02/15/pc-gamer-planetside-2-cover/

I hate the magazine but hey, if I don't get the beta code from being a PS1 player I might be tempted...

Lemming

Sweet news on PS1 vets getting priority access (if it's true).

I cut my MMO-teeth on PS1 so lots of fond memories indeed.

StinkyMunkey

Played PS1 for about 6 yrs, so im dying to hook up with the old outfit.

Cant wait for the drama on the forums Was one of the attractions of the game:P.

WoW is starting to become a little tedious, i need something to relight my passion for online gaming .

oxo_

"I'm better than you!"

"You can't beat me."

Stev_o

So yeah JIZZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSXXEOJUcG0

Kiith

Holy ****bags that looks brilliant. The day/night cycle looks amazing.

oxo_

The biggest thing about that video is that this game *is actually happening* !!! No more wishful thinking hoping SOE actually get the finger out, it is going to come out !

Nody

This is what came to my mind watching that (NSFW if you let it continue to play with sound)...

Venom

Have to say that gameplay footage does look awesome.

entropi

That's a massive improvement on the last game, still can't believe it'll finally be made! Barrell rolls in a Reaver or Mozzie...nice

Those Magrider cannon shots looked savage at night!

KilOit

Looks a lot better than I imagined

StinkyMunkey

Be interesting to see in AzK will come back under the same name, or will someone pick the name for pure badness:p.

Im hoping i wont have the same issues i had with PS1, low fps and really bad latency.

oxo_

Azk, warping wall hugging bitch

Nody

++ rep for who ever made the poll :P

(I'll go with TR most likely as always; esp. if I can get my Burster MAX again...)

oxo_

Stinky, the low fps and latency were fixed eventually when the game became vista/win7 compatible. That did take years though in fairness lol

StinkyMunkey

I added the poll for a dig at NC and VS - TR for life .

While i did start life as NC on Werner, i later joined TR and played with SoulReapers for most on my stay on PS.

@ Oxo - Things did improve slightly when i bought a new rig, but once they merged with the yank servers, it got all bad again.

Half of Azk kills where spawn camping with a scat max:rolleyes:.

Lemming

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

While i did start life as NC on Werner, i later joined TR and played with SoulReapers for most on my stay on PS.

I started on a yank server I can't remember the name of, then switched swiftly thereafter to Werner & joined the Last Line Of Defense (LLOD) TR outfit.

Good times slapping barnies & smurfs :pac:

oxo_

That video and others on YouTube related to it, did anyone else notice there seemed to be a hover jump type ability like the VS max used to have ? But for all infantry now!? Looked like it with some of the jumps performed, might be wrong though.

StinkyMunkey

oxo_ wrote: »

That video and others on YouTube related to it, did anyone else notice there seemed to be a hover jump type ability like the VS max used to have ? But for all infantry now!? Looked like it with some of the jumps performed, might be wrong though.

Its prolly for the VS, will help with their warping

oxo_

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

Its prolly for the VS, will help with their warping

You should have seen me when I used to play TR, I'd run into a whole bunch of VS, left mouse click close my eyes for 5 seconds. Couldn't believe it worked so many times, man that heavy assault TR weapon was overpowered ! :pac:

Nody

oxo_ wrote: »

You should have seen me when I used to play TR, I'd run into a whole bunch of VS, left mouse click close my eyes for 5 seconds. Couldn't believe it worked so many times, man that heavy assault TR weapon was overpowered ! :pac:

All I'll say is Original AI pounder in a tower; now THAT was OP (and fun has heck!)...

StinkyMunkey

NC had best splat max.

VS had best AA max.

TR had best AV max (went to crap after nerfs).

By the time i left PS, the only good thing a TR max was for - was giving NC and VS their Max Ach's.

I never took to TR maxes at any stage. Any time i wanted to cert max i either jumped onto NC or VS!

Venom

StinkyMunkey wrote: »

NC had best splat max.

VS had best AA max.

TR had best AV max (went to crap after nerfs).

By the time i left PS, the only good thing a TR max was for - was giving NC and VS their Max Ach's.

I never took to TR maxes at any stage. Any time i wanted to cert max i either jumped onto NC or VS!

Yeah the TR maxes pretty much sucked due to having to lock down to get a decent amount of dps out of them which also made them easy targets for everything else in the game

Saying that a TR AA max camping an air terminal could get you epic amounts of XP

oxo_

Spent so many hours playing a VS AA max. Easiest 2 points to spend, the rest didn't matter as I got so much fun out of taking down aircraft from on top a mountain above their flight height or just hidden in a tree

I agree the TR max's were the worst of the lot.

hairyheretic

Apparently all light infantry get some sort of small jump jets now. I'm going to be TR myself, though I am irritated the bolt driver is now NC only. TR better get a proper sniper rifle, that's all I'm gonna say on the subject.

Lemming

hairyheretic wrote: »

Apparently all light infantry get some sort of small jump jets now.

Sounds very 'tribes' inspired.

hairyheretic

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-alpha-planetside-2/728575

Kiith

hairyheretic wrote: »

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-alpha-planetside-2/728575

Looks pretty damn good.

Ivan

It's funny, even after all this time I saw the poll and nerdraged just a little. TR is clearly spray and pray, MCG is epic lolz. VS is easy mode, since you just spew blobs of energy down a hallway with the lasher and take your easy exp. NC takes skill, since the Jackhammer was freaking impossible to lead a target with when you had any sort of latency. That said, an assault weapon that three-shots a Max...? Yes please!

And don't even get me started on tanks!

As for the actual question, I honestly don't know. When they added the ability to Empire hop I was just losing interest in PS1 but when I went back a few months ago I played all factions pretty evenly and found elements of the playstyle of each that I enjoyed, so I'll probably just go whatever faction my friends are playing tbh... once I recruit them!

fenris

I am looking forward to it!

At the moment I am playing Planetside-lite AKA Tribes Ascend beta, which is pretty cool, you can get an early insight into how the next wave of games are going to try the whole micro payment / pay to win model, not quite as blatant as World of Tanks where you have to buy anything capable of inflicting or surviving damage, but present none the less. In Tribes you can earn all of the weapons/ perks with XP or cash, it just may take you some time to get there, skins are the only thing that have to be paid for with cash, which instantly marks you out as a saddo to be blasted by everybody!

It can be quite entertaining to repeatedly splat the lads who have bought at lot the toys but are not able to use them an listen to them whine over how over powered everything else is!

Nody

fenris wrote: »

I am looking forward to it!

At the moment I am playing Planetside-lite AKA Tribes Ascend beta, which is pretty cool, you can get an early insight into how the next wave of games are going to try the whole micro payment / pay to win model, not quite as blatant as World of Tanks where you have to buy anything capable of inflicting or surviving damage, but present none the less. In Tribes you can earn all of the weapons/ perks with XP or cash, it just may take you some time to get there, skins are the only thing that have to be paid for with cash, which instantly marks you out as a saddo to be blasted by everybody!

It can be quite entertaining to repeatedly splat the lads who have bought at lot the toys but are not able to use them an listen to them whine over how over powered everything else is!

You can get every tank except premium tanks (which are Tier 8 vs up to T9/10 for all trees and are worse then a fully upgraded Tier 8 tank anyway) by grinding. B-IE got members who've never done premium and got tier 10 tanks.

For gold ammo, yes it is slightly better but once again you can easily beat people with out gold ammo (slight advantage at best, not worth it for most tanks) and you can't buy anything with gold to take more damage.

fenris

re World of Tanks, I found that when I was playing for a few of months around the release date was that unless you were using gold ammo you were getting nowhere and the gring to upgrade tanks without paying real cash was very tedious and usually resulted in getting wiped out with my shells bouncing off of everything unless I was using gold ammo. Maybe it is different now but at the time it fwlt very pay to win, from the perspective tht if I was paying I was winning and if I wasn't paying I wasn't getting any where.

The average monthly cost was well in excess of what I would budget for online gaming so I gave up WoT, Tribes gives a more satifying game without the same pay to win feeling, you can play well and win but paying gives you more options as opposed to the feeling that if you are not paying you are just fodder.

That is why I hope PS2 will be more like Tribes than WoT. The original PS allowed you to hold your own even at a low level and when you got your XP up you had more options but fundementally you were viable and competitive from the start, if Sony manage to keep that feeling then they are onto a winner.

Canis Lupus

fenris wrote: »

re World of Tanks, I found that when I was playing for a few of months around the release date was that unless you were using gold ammo you were getting nowhere and the gring to upgrade tanks without paying real cash was very tedious and usually resulted in getting wiped out with my shells bouncing off of everything unless I was using gold ammo. Maybe it is different now but at the time it fwlt very pay to win, from the perspective tht if I was paying I was winning and if I wasn't paying I wasn't getting any where.

The average monthly cost was well in excess of what I would budget for online gaming so I gave up WoT, Tribes gives a more satifying game without the same pay to win feeling, you can play well and win but paying gives you more options as opposed to the feeling that if you are not paying you are just fodder.

That is why I hope PS2 will be more like Tribes than WoT. The original PS allowed you to hold your own even at a low level and when you got your XP up you had more options but fundementally you were viable and competitive from the start, if Sony manage to keep that feeling then they are onto a winner.

Gold ammo is not needed. The game is perfectly playable on a freemium acc. It does get harder to grind money at around tier 7/8 (and therefore move up tiers) depending on what gun you use on your tank(some rounds cost 1000k a pop then include repair bill). Normal ammo is perfectly fine you just need to know what tank you're shooting, where on said tank you're shooting and what gun you're using. No point using a Shermans piddling gun to shoot the frontal armor of a ... Lowe for example. Completely OT but the real problem with WoT is a lot of grind for no real difference in tanks.

fenris

my point is that the contrast between free and premium was a huge amount of grinding that for me removed the enjoyment from the game especially after paying and seeing the other side of the fence. It makes you very likely to leave rather than go back to free while making you feel like a bit of an idiot for paying so much.

As far as the defense side of things I seem to remember that you could pay to train your crew to buff you self?

I just hope sony don't mess up the same way

Nody

It costs less then 10 EUR a month to have premium (+50% credits/exp) which is less then a normal MMO subscription (7 EUR with Play for a while or around 8.50 with Zavvi).

There is no way to pay to train your crew, as your crew hits 100% they can (premium or not) start secondary skills which give a minor boost.

fenris

I found that it was heading more towards 30- 40 per month when you included paying for gold ammo which is not included in boosted credits/xp on the monthly sub and needed to be paid for seperately as that ammo could only be bought for real money (gold) not credit/xp. That is exactly what I was talking about, to be competitive (not just fodder filling up the server) and have a real life i.e. job and family you simply don't have the time to grind like student days.

I have no problem paying for a game until the actual cost becomes more than the perceived benefit, I found freeplay and premium in WoT just means being cheap kills for gold ammo players, premium made the grind faster but not enough to keep someone like me (a couple of hours, a few nights a week) playing.

In Tribes Ascend paying just gives you a faster grind to get at the same kit as the free players, there are no weapons / ammo exclusivly pay to use like WoT gold ammo. Tha t to m is an important distinction and is the difference between pay to play and pay to win.

Nody

fenris wrote: »

I found that it was heading more towards 30- 40 per month when you included paying for gold ammo which is not included in boosted credits/xp on the monthly sub and needed to be paid for seperately as that ammo could only be bought for real money (gold) not credit/xp. That is exactly what I was talking about, to be competitive (not just fodder filling up the server) and have a real life i.e. job and family you simply don't have the time to grind like student days.

I've got over 8.5k games and I can say with out a shadow of a doubt that I've only used gold in one random game and then because I forgot to unload it from the CW the night before. I've got 3 T10s (4th should be done this weekend) and I got at least one top tier of every tank type and all were done with out gold ammo with out any problems. You do not under any circumstances need gold to play random games; if you think you do you'll be better of spending one night reading up on the WoT game mechanics for angling, armor thickness, weakspots etc. instead.

I have no problem paying for a game until the actual cost becomes more than the perceived benefit, I found freeplay and premium in WoT just means being cheap kills for gold ammo players, premium made the grind faster but not enough to keep someone like me (a couple of hours, a few nights a week) playing.

This is very much like Eve to be honest, you can quite easily master any given tank; the only benefit the guy playing more has is the option of more tanks to choose from but on any given tank you'll be just as powerful once you unlock all modules and unlike Eve it does not take you months to max out a single tank.

fenris

Nody wrote: »

I've got over 8.5k games

You love and live the game - got that from you evangelical zeal in a thread about a different game!

For me to accumulate that much game time assuming 10 mins per game @ 2 hours per night, 3 nights a week would consume 4.5 years in order to get 3 and a bit top tier tanks probably more time as I would would not have the benefit of a clan/platoon/guild helping me to level.

Nody wrote: »

You do not under any circumstances need gold to play random games

Not to play - just to contribute more than padding XP for the other team, some people really like being the punching bag all the time, not me, and that is what playing a pay to win game without paying is, you are there to be rode, the skill of the game designer is to attract enough rabbits happy to take the crumbs dropped keeping it interesting enough for the real target market to pay to nail them.

Nody wrote: »

you'll be better of spending one night reading up on the WoT game mechanics for angling, armor thickness, weakspots etc. instead.

Done that - guess what, the only consistant thing that makes a consistant difference for an average player with a normal amount of time available is gold ammo. The game is designed that way so that you gain a significant advantage by paying extra, its the games business model.

Nody wrote: »

the only benefit the guy playing more has is the option of more tanks to choose from but on any given tank you'll be just as powerful once you unlock all modules.

And to get the most significant power-up you pay for gold ammo that gives you more damage and penetration, the delivery of which is the point of a tank. Having to pay extra for that capability is the definition of pay to win.

From a PS perspective with the "Fodder programme" you did not have pay to win, you had pay for more options and flexibility in using those options, but the basic player could use the same weapons as the premium player, they just didn't have the capability to have several different classes ready to roll, they instead had the inconvenience of forgetting certs and relearning over a multiday period.

Dcully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6HgC6Exs0U

D

looks fantastic, I am loving the aesthetic.

promethius42

Totalbiscuit has a new video up about the liberator gunship on this youtube channel.

Nody

promethius42 wrote: »

Totalbiscuit has a new video up about the liberator gunship on this youtube channel.

The ending of that video was great but I'm a bit worried about the customization options (esp. if the try to monetize them).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjsd5uouw9I

Lemming

Nody wrote: »

but I'm a bit worried about the customization options (esp. if the try to monetize them).

Depends on how far they take monetisation I suppose. If it's like BattleField:Bad Company 2 or W40k: Space Marine where much of the DLC is cosmetic at best, I wont be kept awake at night worrying. If they start producing "I WIN" DLC then yes, it'll be bad for the game.

VinLieger

Lemming wrote: »

Depends on how far they take monetisation I suppose. If it's like BattleField:Bad Company 2 or W40k: Space Marine where much of the DLC is cosmetic at best, I wont be kept awake at night worrying. If they start producing "I WIN" DLC then yes, it'll be bad for the game.

It will be cosmetic only, no major company has gone for the "golden ammo" idea yet although a few have threatened

Varik

After trying to sort out my account today i am now very glad SOE won't be doing EU service for games in the future.


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