Protest against cuts and Government greed.

klong

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Monty Burnz

klong wrote: »

What does Wexford have which will attract new companies to set up in the county?

If companies see no reason to invest in Wexford what would get them to invest here?

I'd suggest more communist/socialist agitation and tax strikes. Companies love that stuff.

Why don't people from Wexford just start their own businesses? Governments don't create jobs, private industry does.

bmaxi

Chiparus wrote: »

Apologies , D'arcy is not minister for state Kehoe is.

I think the reason D'arcy did not get elected was the splitting of the vote by Wallace and more astute campaigning this time round by Twomey . His two for wexford town was the clincher.

Waterford do not have a minister because Deasy hates Kenny . The other FG and labour are too new to have any chance yet.

My point is that the grass is always greener, other counties would kill for the political power Wexford now has.

It will be interesting to see if they decide to change the boundaries for the next election.

Both Wallace and Twomey are from the south of the county, if Wallace was going to split the FG vote it is more likely he would have affected Twomey, in fact D'Arcy couldn't manage the vote in the north of the county. Wallace's appeal would also have been more into Howlin's vote base but I think the meltdown of FF and the rift in SF were more likely factors than any affect on the FG vote.
It remains to be seen what, if any, benefit Wexford gets from having a senior minister, Cullen in Waterford was a member of the senior coalition party, a good vote grabber and a "friend" of a lot of influential people.

FRIENDO

zerks wrote: »

yobr wrote: »

The thread was started without any political bias,I am not a SF apologist and started the thread as the news of one of our elected politicians awarding himself a €17,000 pay rise & subsequent protest became public.I didn't care what party he represented,it was the awarding of this pay rise while the dole queues in the county lengthen that stuck in the craw.
FG were elected on the promise of change from what FF were doing but these promises were broken and all these austerity measures are being blamed on the previous government.Makes me want to never vote again.
People here can't find a job in the county but these guys get pay rises and hire friends as advisors on massive wages.
I don't care who organises the protests and neither do most people as they are sick to the teeth of what's going on and are deciding to make a stand.

Lots of people feel the same, I felt the same, Cronyism, Corruption made me feel politics did not represent me.
I never got involved in any protest till I read this thread.
So Thanks.

The only way people can change politics in Ireland, is for people to step forward as the agents/people of change.

Monty Burnz

Fine Gael were promising austerity before the election. They talked about two-thirds cuts and one third tax rises to close the public deficit - remember? Please let's not try to change history in retrospect, or lie about it. Perhaps it would be best if some people didn't vote.

Cantona's Collars

2 posts in this thread from MontyBurnz and neither of them helpful and one a veiled attack on certain posters :rolleyes:

Yes lets all set up businesses and open factories with the magic beans that the banks are going to give us,maybe that's how it works in The Simpsons but not in the real world.
Our politicians headed off on trade missions for years but I've yet to see any of the Wexford ones turn the sod on a new industry in 30 years.They are very adept at handwringing when a major employer closes it's doors but not so good at finding alternative companies to come & fill the gap: Welcome to the South East folks.
Any business that has opened here are SME's which fought to get going sans help from any politician.No matter which party was in power they did little or nothing for the county.But in Monty's world we can all go out & start businesses,it's easy folks.

Monty Burnz

zerks wrote: »

2 posts in this thread from MontyBurnz and neither of them helpful and one a veiled attack on certain posters :rolleyes:

Yes lets all set up businesses and open factories with the magic beans that the banks are going to give us,maybe that's how it works in The Simpsons but not in the real world.
Our politicians headed off on trade missions for years but I've yet to see any of the Wexford ones turn the sod on a new industry in 30 years.They are very adept at handwringing when a major employer closes it's doors but not so good at finding alternative companies to come & fill the gap: Welcome to the South East folks.
Any business that has opened here are SME's which fought to get going sans help from any politician.No matter which party was in power they did little or nothing for the county.But in Monty's world we can all go out & start businesses,it's easy folks.

I'm sorry - there was no attempt to make the 'attack' veiled, I'm just calling BS on people pretending that FG did not loudly proclaim that austerity was necessary during the election campaign.

Your notion that TDs are in a position to create real work in the area is at best mistaken, and at worst deluded. What Ireland needs is entrepreurialism, not gombeenism or clientelism.

As as for 'unhelpful' posts - if you want solutions, you have to first make sure you are tackling the right problems. If you feel there is something incorrect in my posts, please point it out and I'll be happy to discuss it. But if there are truths you don't want to hear in them, please don't shoot the messenger.

FRIENDO

Wexford Campaign Against Household Tax will hold second phase of public meetings.
Monday 30th. April 7.30pm, Dun Mhuire Sth. Main St. Wexford.
Monday 7th. May 7.30pm, Loch Garman Arms Hotel, Gorey.
Monday 14th. May 8.00pm, Riverside Park Hotel Enniscorthy.
Join the Campaign, Fight these Austerity Taxes

May Day Protest Rally on May 5th. meeting at 2.pm. on the Quay, Wexford, opposite Bank of Ireland, all welcome.

Cantona's Collars

Lol at this site: http://www.bublin.eu/ripoff/ripoff.php?id=1

How many broken promises from their list on the site.

Monty Burnz

zerks wrote: »

Lol at this site: http://www.bublin.eu/ripoff/ripoff.php?id=1

How many broken promises from their list on the site.

Probably a lot, seeing as that dates from the middle of the bubble, while now we are bankrupt. Perhaps they should ask the German taxpayers for more money to pay for our bubble-period aspirations? I'm sure they would happily give it to us.

Cantona's Collars

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Probably a lot, seeing as that dates from the middle of the bubble, while now we are bankrupt. Perhaps they should ask the German taxpayers for more money to pay for our bubble-period aspirations? I'm sure they would happily give it to us.

They should give us the money,sure they know we are good for it.With the amount of extra charges foisted upon us,the government will surely have the money to pay it back.

Monty Burnz

zerks wrote: »

They should give us the money,sure they know we are good for it.With the amount of extra charges foisted upon us,the government will surely have the money to pay it back.

Unfortunately, we are still running a primary deficit of about 15 billion euros a year, all of which we have to borrow. Unless we jack up all taxes by about 40%, or cut public spending by a third, the Germans can probably find less risky uses for their money.

FRIENDO

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Unfortunately, we are still running a primary deficit of about 15 billion euros a year, all of which we have to borrow. Unless we jack up all taxes by about 40%, or cut public spending by a third, the Germans can probably find less risky uses for their money.

But if the Govt stopped giving our money away ie. the 31 billion to bank anglo and billions more to unamed unguranteed and unsecured bank bond holders, this is private investers debt not soverign debt.

Monty Burnz

FRIENDO wrote: »

But if the Govt stopped giving our money away ie. the 31 billion to bank anglo and billions more to unamed unguranteed and unsecured bank bond holders, this is private investers debt not soverign debt.

It was private debt until FF and Brian Lenihan made it sovereign debt. Most of the bonds have been repaid now, and the money is instead owed to the ECB.

Tzar Chasm

Who's planning on going to the march tomorrow

Cantona's Collars

Can't make the march but I'll be at he meeting in the Riverside.

Has anyone any idea when the stealth tax carbon tax is coming into effect? Just as the price of fuel is dropping slightly I've been told 4c per litre rise is to hit shortly.

Tzar Chasm

yeah, I'm plannin to go to the riverside meself too

I'm a bit annoyed about missing the one in townlast week

Sully

Carbon tax came into effect from May 1st for certain types of fuel but has been in place at the pumps since the budget. Also, the carbon tax has been in place since 2010.

FRIENDO

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

yeah, I'm plannin to go to the riverside meself too

I'm a bit annoyed about missing the one in townlast week

The meeting in Wexford was very good with speaker Clare Daly TD, she is a lovely woman and a very good speaker, so thanks Clare.

Looking forward to the march today at 2pm in Wexford.

Mick Wallace will be the main speaker in Gorey on the 7th and Joe Higgins TD (Leader of Socialist Party) will be speaking in Enniscorthy

Well done to the people of Wexford, last week only 37% of Households in County Wexford had registered for the Household tax and I am sure we will see even stronger Tax Resistance to the unjust Water Tax.
Thanks guys and girls.

FRIENDO

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It was private debt until FF and Brian Lenihan made it sovereign debt. Most of the bonds have been repaid now, and the money is instead owed to the ECB.

The last government agreed that the State should pay €31bn to IBRC (formerly Anglo and Irish Nationwide) over a 13-year schedule ending in 2025. The first payment of €3.1bn was made in March 2011. The next payment was due on March 31 2012.

FG and LAB also handed over 1.5 billion of Irish tax payers money a couple of weeks ago to AIB unamed, ansecured and unguranteed bond holders.

Monty Burnz

FRIENDO wrote: »

The last government agreed that the State should pay €31bn to IBRC (formerly Anglo and Irish Nationwide) over a 13-year schedule ending in 2025. The first payment of €3.1bn was made in March 2011. The next payment was due on March 31 2012.

FG and LAB also handed over 1.5 billion of Irish tax payers money a couple of weeks ago to AIB unamed, ansecured and unguranteed bond holders.

...AFTER FF had made the private debt into sovereign debt with the bank guarantee.

Tzar Chasm

People voted for the current government after they promised that not one more cent would be spent on he bonds, they caved shortly after the election. Spineless liars they were shown to be then and they have continued to be since

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

People voted for the current government after they promised that not one more cent would be spent on he bonds, they caved shortly after the election. Spineless liars they were shown to be then and they have continued to be since

You'll have to post their manifestos here to prove that, I'm afraid. Can you? FG promised that they would renegotiate the deals, and Labour promised to take a harder line wtih the ECB.

Here is what you may be referring to, and misrepresenting:

FINE GAEL insisted it would not commit "another cent" to the banks on top of the €35 billion agreed to under the EU/IMF bailout deal.
It came as the IMF sent out a warning signal to the next Government that it must not delay an overhaul of the banking sector agreed under the €85bn rescue package.

Finance Minister Brian Lenihan said a planned €10bn injection into Bank of Ireland, AIB and EBS this month as part of the agreed timetable to restructure the banks would be postponed until after the election.

He said this timeline would be extended "out of respect for Irish democracy" because the Government did not have a majority or mandate to recapitalise the banks.

The money is part of the €35bn committed to the banking sector under the bailout deal. But Fine Gael accused the minister of pulling a "stroke" by avoiding bad news during the election.

Fine Gael adopted a hardline stance on the issue after its former leader and current chairman of Anglo Irish Bank, Alan Dukes, said this figure could rise by €15bn to €50bn.

Frontbench spokesperson Leo Varadkar said banks should not be given any more capital without renegotiating with bondholders.

"Any bank coming to us looking for more money is going to have to show how they are going to impose losses on their junior bondholders, on their senior bondholders, and on other creditors before they come looking to us for any more money. Not another cent."

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfeyeyidcwgb/rss2/#ixzz1tz25Zp9y

If you guys think that communists like Clare Daly and Joe Higgins are the people to save us, I think you have another thing coming to you. Can you remember all of the rich communist countries that used to exist before their economic system collapsed completely?

No, nor can I. There must be some Poles in Wexford who remember socialist Poland - I suggest you talk to them about it.

Tzar Chasm

Enda Kenny, 1994. "It is morally wrong, unjust and unfair to tax a persons home"

so is this a misquote too?

Monty Burnz

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

so is this a misquote too?

No idea.

It was a stupid thing to say if he did, and of course people are entitled to change their minds. I used to think that socialism could work - fortunately there are no quotes of me saying so in the newspapers that can be thrown at me now, as if it proves me wrong.

washman3

Hats off to the people in Wexford who organise the protest meetings/marches. keep up the good work. dont worry a bit about being labelled "communists" and "the looney left" by some vested interests and even some posters on boards.ie
Remember it was these same vested interests that landed us all in the mire and now label ordinary decent people who complain about austerity
in this way.
Its mind boggling that these people can still obtain a platform to peddle their propaganda.
Boards.ie is constantly monitored by apologists for the present FG/LAB government and also from the previous FF/GREENS/CORRUPT INDS shambles ready and willing to attack,sometimes personal,anyone who dares question the blatent corruption that has,and still is taking place, in the slim hope that when this crisis blows over they can return to their merry ways unscathed,and rejoin the gravy train facilitated by their masters at the top.
GOOD LUCK WITH TODAY'S MARCH.

Monty Burnz

washman3 wrote: »

Hats off to the people in Wexford who organise the protest meetings/marches. keep up the good work. dont worry a bit about being labelled "communists" and "the looney left" by some vested interests and even some posters on boards.ie
Remember it was these same vested interests that landed us all in the mire and now label ordinary decent people who complain about austerity
in this way.
Its mind boggling that these people can still obtain a platform to peddle their propaganda.
Boards.ie is constantly monitored by apologists for the present FG/LAB government and also from the previous FF/GREENS/CORRUPT INDS shambles ready and willing to attack,sometimes personal,anyone who dares question the blatent corruption that has,and still is taking place, in the slim hope that when this crisis blows over they can return to their merry ways unscathed,and rejoin the gravy train facilitated by their masters at the top.
GOOD LUCK WITH TODAY'S MARCH.

No offense, but that's an extremely foolish post. You can't defeat an argument by questioning the motives of the person making it. If you can explain why socialism will work in Ireland when it has failed everywhere else, then do that. Don't just attack the poster.

And I'm not an apologist for anyone, thanks very much.

bmaxi

Monty Burnz wrote: »

No offense, but that's an extremely foolish post. You can't defeat an argument by questioning the motives of the person making it. If you can explain why socialism will work in Ireland when it has failed everywhere else, then do that. Don't just attack the poster.

And I'm not an apologist for anyone, thanks very much.

If you're referring to the Soviet bloc, it's a bit of a stretch to say that what was practised there was Socialism, at best I would describe it as State capitalism.
On the other hand we're all aware of just how well capitalism has worked in Ireland over the last few years.

Tzar Chasm

Reasonable turnout today, not massive but still it was good to see the pikmn out, i'll deffo be bringing my pike next time

Monty Burnz

bmaxi wrote: »

If you're referring to the Soviet bloc, it's a bit of a stretch to say that what was practised there was Socialism, at best I would describe it as State capitalism.
On the other hand we're all aware of just how well capitalism has worked in Ireland over the last few years.

Again, tell anyone who survived socialism about how hard life in 2012 Ireland is and give them the biggest laugh they've had in years.