Pope giving out about those pesky gays again

lazygal

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/09/us-pope-gay-idUSTRE8081RM20120109


Can anyone enlighten me as to how celibacy promote family values?

Penn

Dolan fought against gay marriage before it became legal in New York state last June, and in September he sent a letter to President Barack Obama criticizing his administration's decision not to support a federal ban on gay marriage.

In that letter Dolan, who holds the powerful post of president of the U.S. Bishops Conference, said such a policy could "precipitate a national conflict between church and state of enormous proportions."

F*cking bring it on....

Beruthiel

da pope wrote:

Pope Benedict said Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined "the future of humanity itself."

How does that work exactly?
Does he think that if the gays get married it will turn the rest of us gay and there will be no more hetros doing the wild thing, hence no bambinos to pass on the genes to?

At this stage, the man is clutching at straws and has become obsolete.
Also, what the hell is he doing promoting hate?
I mean, if you pick on a minority like this, all it will do is promote hate.

Thomas Eshuis

On the topic of abstinence and the church I am always reminded of this:



Edit, can anyone tell me how I can get the picture in my comment, instead of the link?

Penn

Beruthiel wrote: »

How does that work exactly?
Does he think that if the gays get married it will turn the rest of us gay and there will be no more hetros doing the wild thing, hence no bambinos to pass on the genes to?

Popey McPoperson wrote:

Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself

So you see, by allowing more people (homosexuals) to have families, human dignity (the right to discriminate against homosexuals) will be threatened as well as the future of humanity (the Catholic Church) itself.

sbsquarepants

God damned queers, taking our jobs, stealing our women!:mad::mad::mad:
You go get them ratzo.

Beruthiel

Thomas Eshuis wrote: »

Edit, can anyone tell me how I can get the picture in my comment, instead of the link?

Dades

Beruthiel wrote: »

Done for ya, Thomas Eshuis!

Beruthiel

Dades wrote: »

Done for ya, Thomas Eshuis!

Teach a man to fish Dades....

Turtwig

Beruthiel wrote: »

Teach a man to fish Dades....

You knew it was coming Beruthiel.:p
Teach a man religion and he will starve himself to death praying for a fish.:D

Delirium

someone tweeted this as a response to the article.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

Thomas Eshuis

Dades wrote: »

Done for ya, Thomas Eshuis!

Thanks Dades!

MetalDog

Thomas Eshuis

MetalDog wrote: »

But the pope is powerful in the dark side of the Force!


Can't seem to get the image thing to work. Could it be because I'm uploading from my HD?

Thomas Eshuis

Also these:


And most especially this:

Dades

Thomas Eshuis wrote: »

Also these:

Okay, take the full URL of the link in each of those attachments - in the case of the third one - and place it inside IMG tags... like this:

[HTML][/HTML]

And hey presto your image will appear within your post.



Now you can fish.

gawker

This sort of thing genuinely breaks my heart. I used to get frustrated by it, but now it just makes me downbeat.

I mean, he actually thinks (and therefore millions of his followers think) that me and my partner having equal civil rights would "undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself". I know it a cliche, but just look at the world: famine, war, economic turmoil, greed, corruption, etc. etc. Yet the leader of the "one true church" deems the chance of me having a fully-recognised and equal shared future with someone I love is the major worry.

I really, really wish they would just let me leave this disgusting organization already. Knowing they count me as one of their adherents makes my stomach turn.

Beruthiel

gawker wrote: »

I know it a cliche, but just look at the world: famine, war, economic turmoil, greed, corruption, etc. etc. Yet the leader of the "one true church" deems the chance of me having a fully-recognised and equal shared future with someone I love is the major worry.

But you're not getting it gawker.
We can't be talking about god letting people starve to death just for the hell of it.
Or why he kills people on a yearly basis with earthquakes and other natural disasters.
So quick, look over there ---> at them durty gays ruining the world we live in.

Thomas Eshuis

Dades wrote: »

Okay, take the full URL of the link in each of those attachments - in the case of the third one - and place it inside IMG tags... like this:

[HTML][/HTML]And hey presto your image will appear within your post.



Now you can fish.

Ah ok, I did not know I had to add the entire url. Thanks for the help.

krudler

I dunno why he's so annoyed about gay people ruining the sanctity of marriage and family values, straight people have been fcuking those for up for YEARS.

robindch

Gordon

Lol @ the unmarried members of a massive cult, that have no family, trying to tell people what they think is good for "the family". Coz "pride of place is the family" don't you know. As is "love your neighbour" etc.

Every time I read crap like this I feel I've stepped in dogma poo.

kylith

Gordon wrote: »

Lol @ the unmarried members of a massive cult, that have no family, trying to tell people what they think is good for "the family". Coz "pride of place is the family" don't you know. As is "love your neighbour" etc.

Every time I read crap like this I feel I've stepped in dogma poo.

The fist moment I can pinpoint in my journey away from the church was listening to a priest pontificate on how to raise children at age twelve, and thinking 'Why is he talking about this? He has no idea what he's talking about'. I guess I started thinking what else he might be lecturing on that he wasn't qualified to, and it went from there.

soterpisc

lazygal wrote: »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/09/us-pope-gay-idUSTRE8081RM20120109


Can anyone enlighten me as to how celibacy promote family values?

The family unit (Mother+Father+Kids) is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states; hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue.

As a social worker myself I can say (Religion and God aside) that those worst off in society many times come from failed families that have absent fathers or alcoholic ones.

The Pope in promoting the family unit is promotion the best environment for society and ideal that we should look to nurture. Each Child does need (if possible) a Mother and and a Father in their lifes. Its an ideal that helps, Of course there any many who turn out fine outside the normal family... But there are also many many more who don't. Not having a Father or a Mother (or sometimes both) present in a childs life does have negative effects...... This is not based on relgion but reality. Pope is stating the obvious..

fatmammycat

I would have thought it was more important for children to have two supportive and loving parents than making it about gender. There's plenty of kids raised in two biological parent households that suffer terribly.

Sonics2k

soterpisc wrote: »

As a social worker myself I can say (Religion and God aside) that those worst off in society many times come from failed families that have absent fathers or alcoholic ones.

The Pope in promoting the family unit is promotion the best environment for society and ideal that we should look to nurture. Each Child does need (if possible) a Mother and and a Father in their lifes. Its an ideal that helps, Of course there any many who turn out fine outside the normal family... But there are also many many more who don't. Not having a Father or a Mother (or sometimes both) present in a childs life does have negative effects...... This is not based on relgion but reality. Pope is stating the obvious..

Bollocks.

I was raised by my gay mother. Many of my friends were raised by lone parents, or gay parents and all turned out the same, and the only people who ever judged us or said we'd have a hard life were funnily enough, Religious people!

Please stop spreading this complete nonsense that a child raised by a straight couple will be better off than any other child.

Delirium

and telling children of gay couples that gay marriage is a threat to humanity won't have a negative impact on those children?

where's he stating that absent fathers/mothers are also a threat?

Gordon

soterpisc wrote: »

As a social worker myself I can say (Religion and God aside) that those worst off in society many times come from failed families that have absent fathers or alcoholic ones.

The Pope in promoting the family unit is promotion the best environment for society and ideal that we should look to nurture. Each Child does need (if possible) a Mother and and a Father in their lifes. Its an ideal that helps, Of course there any many who turn out fine outside the normal family... But there are also many many more who don't. Not having a Father or a Mother (or sometimes both) present in a childs life does have negative effects...... This is not based on relgion but reality. Pope is stating the obvious..

Being a social worker, would you say that a mother and father would make better parents than two fathers? How many two-fathered families have you experienced in your profession incidentally?

MagicMarker

soterpisc wrote: »

As a social worker myself I can say (Religion and God aside) that those worst off in society many times come from failed families that have absent fathers or alcoholic ones.

The Pope in promoting the family unit is promotion the best environment for society and ideal that we should look to nurture. Each Child does need (if possible) a Mother and and a Father in their lifes. Its an ideal that helps, Of course there any many who turn out fine outside the normal family... But there are also many many more who don't. Not having a Father or a Mother (or sometimes both) present in a childs life does have negative effects...... This is not based on relgion but reality. Pope is stating the obvious..

If the pope is stating the obviously then I presume you can link us all to the studies that show that a family unit with 2 parents of the same sex has a negative effect on the children?

soterpisc

Sonics2k wrote: »

Bollocks.

I was raised by my gay mother. Many of my friends were raised by lone parents, or gay parents and all turned out the same, and the only people who ever judged us or said we'd have a hard life were funnily enough, Religious people!

Please stop spreading this complete nonsense that a child raised by a straight couple will be better off than any other child.

Congrats.. But the statics don't live up to your post. Those who society has most failed have first been failed by their families (or lack of). The Pope is promoting the family (Mother+Father+Kids) as the ideal best environment. there is nothing wrong with this.

soterpisc

MagicMarker wrote: »

If the pope is stating the obviously then I presume you can link us all to the studies that show that a family unit with 2 parents of the same sex has a negative effect on the children?

Are they better than the natural family unit?

MagicMarker

soterpisc wrote: »

Congrats.. But the statics don't live up to your post.

Can you show us the statistics?

MagicMarker

soterpisc wrote: »

Are they better than the natural family unit?

Do they have to be better?

How have you come to the conclusion that same sex parents are worse than parents of the opposite sex?

Sonics2k

soterpisc wrote: »

Congrats.. But the statics don't live up to your post. Those who society has most failed have first been failed by their families (or lack of). The Pope is promoting the family (Mother+Father+Kids) as the ideal best environment. there is nothing wrong with this.

Nothing wrong with promoting family at all. But this ideal that a family is Mother+Father+Child is wrong.

A child raised by a Mother+Mother or Father+Father turns out the same as a child raised by a Mother+Father in the same environment.

Now, if the pope wants to advise against two teenagers or a couple who've just met having children, well that's fine, because in many cases the parents will not stay together, and that -can- cause troubles for the child, but not in a major way.

Now the Pope is suggesting a Mother+Father family. But what if one of the parents is abusive, an alcoholic or so on? Does the Church think they should separate?
NO! They don't! Because the RCC disagrees with divorce and separation of the family.

But don't worry, it's okay because they're straight!

Open your eyes.

soterpisc wrote: »

Are they better than the natural family unit?

Who said anything about them being better?
The point people are making is they are the same.

alex73

MagicMarker wrote: »

Can you show us the statistics?

Sure i live the statistics day in day out... I am not saying 2 lesbians can't raise a child, 2 loving people can. But the ideal enviroment if possible is to have a mother and father who are involved in the childs life. Anyone who denies that the natural family is blind ( and as much as gays lobby they can never naturally have kids, the pope didn't invent that rule).

Thomas Eshuis

soterpisc wrote: »

As a social worker myself I can say (Religion and God aside) that those worst off in society many times come from failed families that have absent fathers or alcoholic ones.

You do realise that there are many single parent families that function just fine?

Each Child does need (if possible) a Mother and and a Father in their lifes. Not having a Father or a Mother (or sometimes both) present in a childs life does have negative effects...... This is not based on relgion but reality. Pope is stating the obvious..

This is false, from the American Psychological Association:
In summary, social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.

As you can see, there's is no evidence for your assertion.

MagicMarker

alex73 wrote: »

Sure i live the statistics day in day out... I am not saying 2 lesbians can't raise a child, 2 loving people can. But the ideal enviroment if possible is to have a mother and father who are involved in the childs life. Anyone who denies that the natural family is blind ( and as much as gays lobby they can never naturally have kids, the pope didn't invent that rule).

And there are plenty of gay parents and children of gay parents who ''live the statistics'' day in and day out, and the results differ greatly to yours.

Why is two parents of the opposite sex the ideal environment? What are you actually basing this on?

alex73

Sonics2k wrote: »

Who said anything about them being better?
The point people are making is they are the same.

society would have us believe gay families are the same, but they are not.

However from personal experience lesbian couples do make better parents the gay couples, but that was because the ones i know one of the parners is the natural mother

Thomas Eshuis

soterpisc wrote: »

Are they better than the natural family unit?

What natural family unit?
You do realise that with many animal species only one of the parents raises the children?

Again you're arguing against evidence and experts.

alex73

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why is two parents of the opposite sex the ideal environment? What are you actually basing this on?

About 90% of humanity.

RichieC

Prejudice is way better than expert opinions, Thomas. :pac:

MrPudding

Is that a dual account or has alex just jumped in at a weird moment...?

MrP

alex73

Thomas Eshuis wrote: »

What natural family unit?
You do realise that with many animal species only one of the parents raises the children?

Again you're arguing against evidence and experts.

Was waiting for when we could be compared to a animal...

RichieC

alex73 wrote: »

Was waiting for when we could be compared to a animal...

Psst, we are animals.. just very smart ones.

MrPudding

alex73 wrote: »

Was waiting for when we could be compared to a animal...

We are a fcuking animals.

mrP

Sonics2k

alex73 wrote: »

society would have us believe gay families are the same, but they are not.

However from personal experience lesbian couples do make better parents the gay couples, but that was because the ones i know one of the parners is the natural mother

Society would have us believe this because it is true. It's exactly how I was raised, and frankly, compared to one or two of my friends raised by straight couples, my own childhood was much much better.

Please remember, that for a portion of the 20th Century, people in America claimed a child raised by an interracial couple would not have the same privileges as a child raised by a couple of the same background.

alex73

MrPudding wrote: »

We are a fcuking animals.

mrP

Yeah... Thats how the holocaust started.

RichieC

Good point, sonic.. and it's the same kind of people making the argument against same sex couples these days.

Thomas Eshuis

alex73 wrote: »

and as much as gays lobby they can never naturally have kids, the pope didn't invent that rule).

They can, just because one of the parents is not part of the family does not mean the child is born via unnatural ways.
You completely ignore the fact that marriage is a social construct not a natural one.
Many animal species raise their offspring using only one of either parents.
Better yet, many have 1 male adult who fertilises several females.


The natural factor is irrelevant. What matters is if the kids are raised protected and healthy, which they can, both by single parents and parents of the same gender.

alex73

Sonics2k wrote: »

Society would have us believe this because it is true. It's exactly how I was raised, and frankly, compared to one or two of my friends raised by straight couples, my own childhood was much much better.

Please remember, that for a portion of the 20th Century, people in America claimed a child raised by an interracial couple would not have the same privileges as a child raised by a couple of the same background.

Why are we talking about race?

RichieC

alex73 wrote: »

Yeah... Thats how the holocaust started.

nope, that was more to do with economic factors, but nice try. Oh and Hitler blamed the jews on germanys loss in WW1.