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You can't quit UK without my approval, David Cameron warns Scots
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That's why I'm surprised at Cameron wanting to keep the Union and why it doesn't surprise that Miliband wants to.
Scottish independence would be good for the Tories in England and bad for Labour. That's because Labour often have to rely on Scottish votes to get into power as they often get less votes and less seats than the Tories in England in General Elections. Labour only won the 2005 General Election due to the votes it got in Scotland because it finished behind the Tories in England. If Scotland had gained independence before 2005 the UK (England, Wales, NI) would have elected a Tory government in 2005. If Scotland leaves the Union the Tories will win more General Elections.
A new poll has also shown that the English are more in favour of Scottish indepence than the Scots are and that more people in England are in favour of Scottish indepence than against it, whereas the opposite is true in Scotland. According to a poll in The Sunday Telegraph, 43% of English voters are in favour of Scotland leaving the union, with 32% against. In Scotland, 40% backed independence, with 43% against.
http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16149343
Official: More English than Scots want independence for Scotland
There is more support in England for Scotland leaving the United Kingdom than there is north of the border, according to a poll for The Mail on Sunday.
Scots do not want the English to meddle in whether they end their 300-year union with England, but English voters are much keener to have a say in the matter.
And the main worry of Scots appears to be that cutting their ties with England and Wales will leave them with less cash.
It is the first comprehensive opinion poll in Scotland and England since Prime Minister David Cameron decided to throw down the gauntlet to Scotland’s First Minister Alex Salmond, as revealed by The Mail on Sunday last week.
Two surveys, conducted separately in England and Scotland by polling firm Survation, show that Mr Salmond’s plan to offer an alternative of ‘devo max’ – grabbing more power from Westminster for Scotland, but staying in the UK – could backfire.
When asked David Cameron’s preferred straight ‘Yes or No’ question on whether Scotland should be independent, a total of 26 per cent of Scots favour breaking away, with 46 in favour of staying in the UK. However, when the same question is put alongside the ‘devo max’ option as an alternative, there is a different result.
In that case support for independence falls to 23 among Scots, with backing for staying put in the UK rising to 52. It suggests that the ‘devo max’ alternative threatens Mr Salmond’s dream of becoming the first leader of a new independent Scotland.
When independence for Scots is put to English voters in a straight ‘Yes or No’ question, 40 per cent say ‘No’ with 29 per cent saying ‘Yes’ – three points higher than the result in Scotland.
The gulf in opinion north and south of the border is most stark over the question of whether the referendum should be UK-wide. Nearly seven out of ten Scots say the English should mind their own business. But 38 per cent of people in England want a vote in the referendum, with the same number against.
The poll also suggests the English are less worried about Scotland abandoning links with England than are the Scots.
When voters in Scotland are asked what should happen if there is a small majority for ‘independence’ but even greater backing for ‘devo max,’ more than half say Scotland should not break away. When the same question is put to English voters, they are content to say goodbye to Scotland.
More than four in ten Scots fear independence will leave them worse off financially. Fewer than one in four say they will gain. The collapse of the euro has done little to swell enthusiasm for Mr Salmond’s nationalist cause. A massive 79 per cent of Scots do not want to join the euro; 49 per cent don’t even want to join the EU, with only 32 in favour, if they leave the UK.
An early poll in 2013 – rather that 2014, the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn, as planned by Salmond – is endorsed by a small margin in Scotland, and overwhelmingly in England and Wales.
Survation interviewed 1,001 people in Scotland and 1,019 in England and Wales between Thursday and Saturday.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086833/Official-More-English-Scots-want-independence-Scotland.html#ixzz1jXsCu5te
Will you stop quoting that piece of **** newspaper.0 -
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Anyway, back on topic.
As Scots around the world today celebrate Burns Nights, here's a little snippet from a Robert Burns poem that Scottish nationalists need to take note of:
Be Britain still to Britain true,
Amang ourselves united;
For never but by British hands
Maun British wrangs be righted!
No! never but by British hands
Shall British wrangs be righted!
Robert Burns, 1759-1796
For, hard as it will be for Scottish nationalists to swallow, Robert Burns, their great Scottish hero, was a Unionist.
God help them if he is their hero. The man could hardly string a sentence together
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God help them if he is their hero. The man could hardly string a sentence together
For the day thats in it.
What guile or force could not subdue,
through many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by a coward few,
for hireling traitors' wages
The English steel we could disdain,
Secure in valour's station,
But English gold has been our bane;
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation.
Saor Alba anois0 -
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Completely irrelevant.
It is not completely irrelevant. One side is invading, threatening and actually armed with nuclear weapons. The other is neither.The Iranian regime only needs to make one huge error with a nuclear weapon which could be hitting the US or Israel and WW3 would kick off and it would be a nuclear war.
What are you even talking about?
A) Iran does not have nuclear weapons
Why would Iran nukes someone?The isolated wars in Iraq and Afghanistan did not involve nuclear weapons. Even if you believe that Iraq was only about oil, it still didn't include nuclear weapons.
And? What has this got to do with anything?? Good God, this man is a case study in brainwashing.0 -
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