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You can't quit UK without my approval, David Cameron warns Scots

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    Fratton Fred
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    Border-Rat wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083665/You-quit-UK-approval-David-Cameron-warns-Scots-First-Minister-Alex-Salmond-pushes-referendum.html

    This outburst from Cameron is revealing. With this behaviour, the same should be expected if and when the 06 Counties held a referendum, especially one that positively looked for a United Ireland. These are not honorable men.

    Who?

    What has David Cameron ever done that would make you state that?


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    #3
    Lapin
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    If the Scots had any sense, they'd be fighting to remain in the union.

    Independence isn't worth a damn.

    Look at us.


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    Manach
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    i.e. from that article he stated the legal advice that such a move would be unconstitutional. In political terms it would make sense for the Unionists to a question set by an un-biased group instead of the Scottish nationalist party.


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    lugha
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    Border-Rat wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083665/You-quit-UK-approval-David-Cameron-warns-Scots-First-Minister-Alex-Salmond-pushes-referendum.html

    This outburst from Cameron is revealing. With this behaviour, the same should be expected if and when the 06 Counties held a referendum, especially one that positively looked for a United Ireland. These are not honorable men.
    Hardly. If the people of Northern Ireland want out of the UK, and if the people in the republic want part of a united Ireland (by no means a given), then it will happen. Just as a Scottish opt out will happen if the Scots want it.

    And David Cameron will be long gone, as will perhaps a dozen of his successors, before the issue will arise.


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    woodoo
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    Border-Rat wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083665/You-quit-UK-approval-David-Cameron-warns-Scots-First-Minister-Alex-Salmond-pushes-referendum.html

    This outburst from Cameron is revealing. With this behaviour, the same should be expected if and when the 06 Counties held a referendum, especially one that positively looked for a United Ireland. These are not honorable men.

    David Cameron would be heartbroken if Scotland left the union. He wouldn't give a rats behind if NI decided to go.


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    woodoo
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    Border-Rat wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083665/You-quit-UK-approval-David-Cameron-warns-Scots-First-Minister-Alex-Salmond-pushes-referendum.html

    This outburst from Cameron is revealing. With this behaviour, the same should be expected if and when the 06 Counties held a referendum, especially one that positively looked for a United Ireland. These are not honorable men.

    There is a provision in the Good Friday Agreement that says the people of NI will decide. If they vote to go. Thats it as far as the UK is concerned.


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    dlofnep
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    It's not really relevant what David Cameron thinks. His party has no mandate in Scotland.


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    KeithAFC
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    Well said David Cameron. Keep the Union together at all costs. Scotland would be a disaster if it got independence.


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    dlofnep
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Well said David Cameron. Keep the Union together at all costs. Scotland would be a disaster if it got independence.

    Keep the union together, if it's against the wishes of the Scottish people?


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    woodoo
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Keep the union together, if it's against the wishes of the Scottish people?

    Democracy is only good sometimes to Kieth.


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    KeithAFC
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    Keep the union together, if it's against the wishes of the Scottish people?
    But it isn't. So David Cameron should be encouraging more Scottish people to be Unionists.


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    PARKHEAD67
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    But it isn't. So David Cameron should be encouraging more Scottish people to be Unionists.
    You should start worrying about the north keith.Its getting very Catholicy up there.Saw a bit in the paper where the Catholics have outstripped the prods attending queens university.Tick tock keith.Tick tock.


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    dlofnep
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    But it isn't.

    Well, we haven't had a referendum yet to confirm that, Keith.
    KeithAFC wrote: »
    So David Cameron should be encouraging more Scottish people to be Unionists.

    David Cameron can encourage anyone who likes, to do whatever he pleases - but he doesn't get to determine whether or not Scotland can become independent.


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    KeithAFC
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    Well, we haven't had a referendum yet to confirm that, Keith.
    Well the SNP should hurry up and get one so the Scottish people can decide. I would be confident of a Pro Union victory.
    You should start worrying about the north keith.Its getting very Catholicy up there.Saw a bit in the paper where the Catholics have outstripped the prods attending queens university.Tick tock keith.Tick tock.
    We should leave Ulster out of the discussion.


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    Dannyboy83
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    "You can't quit UK without my approval,"

    He must want them to leave if he's publicly making statements like that, LOL!

    Cameron's diplomatic skills strike again


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    dlofnep
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Well the SNP should hurry up and get one so the Scottish people can decide. I would be confident of a Pro Union victory.

    The SNP have stated that it will be in the second half of the parliamentary term - possibly 2014. They have the mandate to determine the date, not you. It is an important question, and not something that should be rushed. The SNP will have time to make a case for independence building up to the possible 2014 date.


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    KeithAFC
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    The SNP have stated that it will be in the second half of the parliamentary term - possibly 2014. They have the mandate to determine the date, not you. It is an important question, and not something that should be rushed. The SNP will have time to make a case for independence building up to the possible 2014 date.
    I await the date. I think the Scottish people are intelligent people and will decide what is best for them. Which would be remaining in the Union. Let's hope that is the case.


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    PARKHEAD67
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    We should leave Ulster out of the discussion.[/QUOTE]
    "Ulster" already has 3 counties in the Republic, namely Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. When the other 6 counties of "Ulster" become part of a united Ireland, the independence or lack of independence of Scotland will be the least of your worries keith me old pal:D.


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    PARKHEAD67
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    I await the date. I think the Scottish people are intelligent people and will decide what is best for them. Which would be remaining in the Union. Let's hope that is the case.
    Did you ever watch Braveheart??Are the Irish the only nation who ever had the balls to stand up to the tyrants?


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    KeithAFC
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    "Ulster" already has 3 counties in the Republic, namely Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. When the other 6 counties of "Ulster" become part of a united Ireland, the independence or lack of independence of Scotland will be the least of your worries keith me old pal:D.
    Can we not keep this thread on topic? It is a good discussion on Scotland. We don't need to bring Ulster politics into this.:)


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    PARKHEAD67
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    KeithAFC wrote: »
    Can we not keep this thread on topic? It is a good discussion on Scotland. We don't need to bring Ulster politics into this.:)
    Ol keith.Just for you;)


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    brimal
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    Interesting topic.

    Has there been any recent polls/surveys in Scotland on this? Do the majority want out of the UK?


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    brimal
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    Ok had a look around myself and some interesting results from recent polls.

    Would you support Scottish independence?

    YouGov - 2009
    28% Yes
    57% No
    15% Undecided

    YouGov - 2011
    34% Yes
    50% No
    16% Undecided

    TNS-BMRB - 2010
    40% Yes
    44% No
    16% Undecided

    TNS-BMRB - June 2011
    37% Yes
    45% No
    18% Undecided

    TNS-BMRB - September 2011
    39% Yes
    38% No
    23% Undecided

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence#Public_opinion

    It's alot closer than I thought, Scotland leaving UK is a very possible outcome.


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    junder
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    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Did you ever watch Braveheart??Are the Irish the only nation who ever had the balls to stand up to the tyrants?

    Cause braveheart is an accurate account of history


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    dlofnep
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    junder wrote: »
    Cause braveheart is an accurate account of history

    No, but the actions of the crown are well documented in an array of historical books and it isn't a positive account.


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    MadsL
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    No, but the actions of the crown are well documented in an array of historical books and it isn't a positive account.


    Yes those pesky colonists..can't imagine where they got the idea of coming over and settling in someone else's land from...

    *cough*
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Wales
    6th Century
    There was considerable Irish colonization in Dyfed in south-west Wales

    or where they felt that they were welcome...

    *cough* *cough*

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmait_Mac_Murchada

    Don'cha hate when guests stay too long.....:P


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    dlofnep wrote: »
    No, but the actions of the crown are well documented in an array of historical books and it isn't a positive account.

    yes, history! How many hundred years ago ?


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    Fratton Fred
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    The SNP have stated that it will be in the second half of the parliamentary term - possibly 2014. They have the mandate to determine the date, not you. It is an important question, and not something that should be rushed. The SNP will have time to make a case for independence building up to the possible 2014 date.

    If the SNP thought an independence referendum would succeed tomorrow, they would call it. The reason they are putting it off is because they know it would lose.

    The SNP have been making a case for Scottish independence since their conception, a year or two more isn't going to make any difference.


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    Fratton Fred
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    dlofnep wrote: »
    No, but the actions of the crown are well documented in an array of historical books and it isn't a positive account.

    What was Wallace fighting for if it wasn't the crown?


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    Fratton Fred
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    PARKHEAD67 wrote: »
    Did you ever watch Braveheart??Are the Irish the only nation who ever had the balls to stand up to the tyrants?

    Wallace was brutal, but I wouldn't call him a tyrant.

    However, the famous Welsh longbow men fought alongside the Irish and English as well so no, the Irish weren't the only ones to stand up to him.


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