Boxer in dirty protest!!!

andreac

niallam wrote: »

Did you even read any of the posts in this thread???????? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
The kennel has a double layer of insulation in the walls, roof and even under the floor....... We had it built specially for the dog.
It's a long way from central heating that dogs came from...

Anyway enough of going off the original topic please.

Yes i did read all of the thread, and nowhere until this post now, did you mention anything about the kennel being insulated. You said carpet and plliows which isnt the same.

niallam

sineadc1984 wrote: »

and a double insulated kennel when we are out.

andreac wrote: »

Yes i did read all of the thread, and nowhere until this post now, did you mention anything about the kennel being insulated. You said carpet and plliows which isnt the same.

and you read it all starting at the first post then?????? That's where i'd have started reading from....

andreac

niallam wrote: »

and you read it all starting at the first post then?????? That's where i'd have started reading from....

Oops, my bad, my apologies to you

niallam

andreac wrote: »

Oops, my bad, my apologies to you

no probs, david75 is making me grouchy lol

star-pants

And if we can all please get back to the topic at hand, thank you.
Any issues with posts - use the report post function please.

meoklmrk91

Glad you found a food that seems to be working thus far, very important to find the right one. I've tried a couple of different foods with my boxer, they do have very sensitive stomachs, though I was very lucky with him as there was no runny poos just eye watering farts.

Ive had him on Arden Grange for the last 6 months and it agrees with him so well. Plus it's really cheap on zooplus uk, around €80 for 2 bags which last two months.

As for the separation anxiety, my fella has a touch of it, if left in the house alone he will destroy things, now I leave him in a room where little to no damage can be done with either a stuffed kong or a bone. You have to make the separation a good thing for this to stop.

baaaa

niallam wrote: »

he's a dog, i don't believe in an "inside dog"

Niall you're going to have to try and believe in the concept of an inside dog,it's not that hard,just think of a husky and a boxer and see can you think of a reason why one might be called an outside dog and why one might not.
It would also help if you tried to understand how insulation works,you seem to think that it creates heat.
You seem to be quite attached to the whole kennel thing for some reason-I don't know why cos the air temp in it will be the same as outside and the carpet and pillows will be getting covered in dew every morning and night,it's basically a cold,damp box with an open door, covered in insulation,like a fridge.Not a place to put your young indoor puppy in if you want him to be healthy.
I know your vet told you blah blah this is because he will get to charge you a fortune for treatment in 4/5 years time when your boxers spine and joints start locking up with arthritis.
Anyway you obviously haven't had a boxer before so here's some info regarding them and temperature, that you might like to read if you're not too blinded by your ego in front of your bird
http://www.boxer-dogs-guide.com/keepingboxerdogswarmwinter.html

here's the lower temperatures for dec,all but 5 of the days for the month are considerably below 5 degrees,closer to 2 or 3 degrees,and will be until late April I'd say-so when you say he sleeps out most nights I'm hoping by "most" you actually mean "the odd time".
http://www.met.ie/climate/monthly_summarys/dec11sum.pdf

Also,don't be grouchy,it's no bother to let him sleep inside in the crate for a few months,you can let him sleep in the kennel then when it's warm enough for his age and breed type to sleep outdoors,I'm sure he'll love it then
but you really should have got an outdoors dog to be doing what you're doing.

niallam

baaaa wrote: »

you're not too blinded by your ego in front of your bird

Excuse me???????

star-pants

baaaa wrote: »

if you're not too blinded by your ego in front of your bird

niallam wrote: »

Excuse me???????

baaaa - there was no need for that remark.
niallam - please just use the report post function if there are issues with a post & a moderator can deal with it then. Don't reply to it on thread.

marley123

Why on earth did you get a dog who at 5mths old you are leaving outside??

niallam wrote: »

2 days now since i've started to mix his food half and half, got a food off my mother that she gets in her vet's, Active Veterinary + i think it's called, it looks like nuts mixed with muesli Anyway, stopped all the treats and with swapping to the mix of food has done the trick. I also did as DBB said and when i put him to bed i went back in to check him a few times for the first 20 minutes so he knew i was still around.

The better thing is he actually much prefers the new food too

Thanks for the replys folks, have sorted the problems.

Oh and for the last 2 posters - the vet told us what temperatures are safe for dogs to be outside, think i'll listen to him... I'll listen to him about what temperatures a dog can sustain outside...

baaaa

niallam wrote: »

Excuse me???????

Poor dog.:(

niallam

baaaa wrote: »

Poor dog.:(

Sure it's a dog's life....
Anyway due to your massive concern the dog now sleeps in the spare room. Amazing how a few nights outside can fix him pooing all over the back hall
His diarrhea has stopped so problem solved and no need for anyone more replys and you'll be delighted to know he's been back inside the last 3 nights and will be until it gets back over 5c or so at night and sorry to say but he'll be back outside...

DBB

niallam wrote: »

baaaa wrote: »

Poor dog.:(

Sure it's a dog's life....
Anyway due to your massive concern the dog now sleeps in the spare room. Amazing how a few nights outside can fix him pooing all over the back hall
His diarrhea has stopped so problem solved and no need for anyone more replys and you'll be delighted to know he's been back inside the last 3 nights and will be until it gets back over 5c or so at night and sorry to say but he'll be back outside...

You know what niallm? I devoted a little part of my day the other day giving you advice and suggestions to help you deal with the problem you're having with your dog.
I am so disappointed with the attitude you've taken in this thread to people who are genuinely concerned about your dog's welfare, so much so that I'm truly sorry I bothered giving up my time to help you. You don't have to agree with what people are saying, but you could be a little less rude and sarcastic.
Lesson learned for me.

niallam

DBB wrote: »

You know what niallm? I devoted a little part of my day the other day giving you advice and suggestions to help you deal with the problem you're having with your dog.
I am so disappointed with the attitude you've taken in this thread to people who are genuinely concerned about your dog's welfare, so much so that I'm truly sorry I bothered giving up my time to help you. You don't have to agree with what people are saying, but you could be a little less rude and sarcastic.
Lesson learned for me.

I do appreciate people are concerned for all animal welfare issues but it wasn't myself that took this thread off topic and then started started making other stupid comments towards me...
I did ask that if anyone had issues with my vet's advice for temperatures at which the dog will be ok outside to please start another thread about it, it was even suggested that the vet only wanted me to keep my dog outside so he could make money from me, seriously....

As i already said, unless any of the posters here are qualified vets i'll still take my advice from my vet over them or the internet. The reason this was posted here in the first place was to maybe save another €50 vet bill.

Ophiopogon

If you only want professional advise then why did you bother posting in an online forum?

borderlinemeath

While you may feel it's right to take the opinion of your vet as gospel, would you do the same if were a doctor telling you that your baby should sleep in a room with a window wide open to get plenty of air and ventilation? Or would you consider getting a second opinion from other parents or maybe even the second opinion of a paediatrician?

I know the comparison seems out of context but in truth babies and animals are similar in that they cannot verbally tell us when they're uncomfortable or in pain, but we need to look for signs. You will check on your child throughout the night with (I assume) a temperature gauge in the room, you'll feel his/her hands, and pull up blankets that they may have kicked off.

The temp can change throughout the night, due to prevailing winds, cloud cover etc but do you head outside with your thermometer and check your dog? You obviously have an outside thermometer as you are quite presise as to the exact temperature he's allowed sleep indoors at;). There's nights I've gone to bed and it's mild enough out, yet there can be a layer of frost when I get up.

Just one question, is your vet a general vet or a pet specialist? Mine is a pet specialist that owns two boxers. That sleep indoors.:)

And my dogs are a lot hairier than yours and they still sleep indoors! They have the option of sleeping out in the summertime in the boilerhouse but the nesting swallows tend to drive them crazy and has them awake at 5am:D

While you obviously care for your dog (or you wouldn't have asked for opinions on his bowel movements!) so do all the posters that responded to you letting a 5 month old pup sleep outdoors in wintertime. They are not trying to dismiss your belief in your vet but maybe a lot of animal lovers opinions that are of the same mind are right and your vet is wrong on this occasion?

borderlinemeath

niallam wrote: »

I do appreciate people are concerned for all animal welfare issues but it wasn't myself that took this thread off topic and then started started making other stupid comments towards me...
I did ask that if anyone had issues with my vet's advice for temperatures at which the dog will be ok outside to please start another thread about it, it was even suggested that the vet only wanted me to keep my dog outside so he could make money from me, seriously....

As i already said, unless any of the posters here are qualified vets i'll still take my advice from my vet over them or the internet. The reason this was posted here in the first place was to maybe save another €50 vet bill.

Sorry Niallam, I crossposted with yours, please take the time to read through my post unless the mods want to move it and open another thread at your request.

elius

I honestly cant believe that there are people saying Boxers are inside dog's lol do your research boxers stem from Bullenbeisser bred which was a hunting dog for centuries, employed in the pursuit of bear, wild boar, and deer.. Hardly an inside dog all that's happened is people like the above have ruined the breed making them family pets. Same has happened to the lab which in its days was a fantastic gun dog. Making dogs wear stupid coats and jackets how did they manage when they where wild they certainly didn't die off cause there still with us. There is no such thing as an inside dog note why unless house trained they poo everywhere and pee everywhere. Yorkshire Terrier's where a ratting dog until some stupid women started sticking bows in there head and making them where stupid santa outfits...
And due to the fact boxers suffer breathing problems id imagine plenty of fresh air would be far better than conditions found inside a house. I Wouldn't mind its not even cold its not like there's a sharp frost or couple inch's of snow..At the same time when a sharp frost or snow is due my own dogs sleep inside....

Just to ad I've had my gun dog (German Pointer) retrieve Duck from lakes on frosty mornings. And when finished loves nothing more than spending 10-15 mins retrieving the dummy from the same lake.

old saying "Our winter is a dogs summer"

ISDW

elius wrote: »

I honestly cant believe that there are people saying Boxers are inside dog's lol do your research boxers stem from Bullenbeisser bred which was a hunting dog for centuries, employed in the pursuit of bear, wild boar, and deer.. Hardly an inside dog all that's happened is people like the above have ruined the breed making them family pets. Same has happened to the lab etc. There is no such thing as an inside dog infact its nothing short of cruel keeping a dog locked up 24/7.
And due to the fact boxers suffer breathing problems id imagine plenty of fresh air would be far better than conditions found inside a house. I Wouldn't mind its not even cold its not like there's a sharp frost or couple inch's of snow..At the same time when a sharp frost or snow is due my own dogs sleep inside....

Just to ad I've had my gun dog (German Pointer) retrieve Duck from lakes on frosty mornings. And when finished loves nothing more than spending 10-15 mins retrieving the dummy from the same lake.

old saying "Are winter is a dogs summer"

Could you please quote anywhere on this thread, in fact anywhere on this forum where anyone has ever said that a dog should be locked up 24/7.

elius

No apologies I couldn't and ill edit the post now...

But could you show me where it says boxers are a inside dog's along with any other breed of dog...

How does a fox manage!!!!
And why do dogs have a summer coat and a winter coat?

baaaa

elius wrote: »

But could you show me where it says boxers are a inside dog's along with any other breed of dog...

http://www.vivapets.com/article.php?id=342

david75

'are' winter?

makes no sense.


and leave the ducks alone.

elius

baaaa wrote: »

http://www.vivapets.com/article.php?id=342

But the owner explained that the dog was inside when it was very cold. Which as late it hasn't been. The dog has a good Kennel carpeted pillows etc its not exposed to the conditions. Its not -1 outside.

From met
"Temperatures overnight will fall no lower than 8 or 9 degrees in moderate southwesterly breezes" hardly Baltic cold out...

david75 wrote: »

'are' winter?

makes no sense.


and leave the ducks alone.

That the best you can come back with....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Remember the ducks next time your eating your Chinese...

david75

I wasn't 'coming back' with anything, your statement made no sense.
And i don't eat duck.

And if the kennel is that well insulated, i'm asking him why not spend a night in it and see how he gets on himself?
it has an open door. All that insulation is gonna do is trap the moisture in the air and possibly cause damp and frost.
there'd have to be a heat source in the kennel for the insulation to be of any use whatsoever.

elius

david75 wrote: »

I wasn't 'coming back' with anything, your statement made no sense.
And i don't eat duck.

And if the kennel is that well insulated, i'm asking him why not spend a night in it and see how he gets on himself?
it has an open door. All that insulation is gonna do is trap the moisture in the air and possibly cause damp and frost.
there'd have to be a heat source in the kennel for the insulation to be of any use whatsoever.

It make's perfectly good sense its not cold out at the moment and a dog is more than capable of surviving outside as is a human. If there is severe frost or snow I bring my own in as does the op what's the problem.? If you feel your dog deserve's a place in the house good for you. But a boxer is not an inside dog either is any other dog its humans that have made them inside dogs. Monkey and guerillas are the closest animal to a human and they don't build houses..

ISDW

elius wrote: »

It make's perfectly good sense its not cold out at the moment and a dog is more than capable of surviving outside as is a human. If there is severe frost or snow I bring my own in as does the op what's the problem.? If you feel your dog deserve's a place in the house good for you. But a boxer is not an inside dog either is any other dog its humans that have made them inside dogs. Monkey and guerillas are the closest animal to a human and they don't build houses..

But thats a moot point, as its humans that have made domesticated dogs full stop, through breeding etc. They aren't wild dogs, they are domestic dogs. Look at huskies and malamutes, the definitive outside dog maybe? No, because the inuit people would have them sleeping inside at night to keep the children of the tribes warm. Inuits don't measure temperatures by degrees the way we do, they measure it by how many dogs it takes to keep you warm at night.

If you read the thread, most people who have an issue with the dog sleeping outside is because it is a very young puppy.

elius

ISDW wrote: »

But thats a moot point, as its humans that have made domesticated dogs full stop, through breeding etc. They aren't wild dogs, they are domestic dogs. Look at huskies and malamutes, the definitive outside dog maybe? No, because the inuit people would have them sleeping inside at night to keep the children of the tribes warm. Inuits don't measure temperatures by degrees the way we do, they measure it by how many dogs it takes to keep you warm at night.

If you read the thread, most people who have an issue with the dog sleeping outside is because it is a very young puppy.

A yes but the Inuit houses and climate differ massively to our's they don't have central heating they also use there dog's for hunting, pulling sled's etc They don't have them lying in central heated houses on leather couch's etc.

Our climate isn't that of the Far northern hemisphere. where minus figures are a thing of the norm...

I have an 9 week pup at the moment who is inside that said when old enough he will be outside....

david75 wrote: »

You're leaving him outside at night? did i read that right? double insulated or not, the kennel is outside, boxers are an indoor breed and if he were allowed to live inside, you'd find he'd respect the house a lot more as he feels he belongs and wouldn't be pooing inside on you. that said, if it's diarrhea, then there's definitely something wrong. Weigh him every 2 days and take him to the vet and make sure he has water available all the time.
hope he gets better!

Boxers were used previously for hunting so how there an indoor breed is beyond me....

hollysf

I keep my dogs in in case someone steals them, alot of that happening at the moment.

Zapperzy

elius wrote: »

Boxers were used previously for hunting so how there an indoor breed is beyond me....

When did you last see a boxer hunting? Breeds change, maybe they had thicker more lab like coats then but they don't now.

elius

Zapperzy wrote: »

When did you last see a boxer hunting? Breeds change, maybe they had thicker more lab like coats then but they don't now.

Never but I've never been around a boxer out in the open either!!! Breeds dont just change humans change them....