Inter Marital Rape was just fine in 1981

Leftist

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1231/1224309674891.html

“In many, probably most such cases a quarrel would be likely, followed a few days later by reconciliation. But if an angry wife could call in the police, who would have a duty to investigate her complaint with all that follows when rape is alleged, some of us consider there might be little chance of reconciliation,” the minority report had said.
An early draft of the minister’s speech to the Dáil was also included in the file.
It said marriage was a “very complex relationship” and the introduction of an offence of marital rape “could be very detrimental to the family”.

This is a good example of what happens when conservatisim and religion seep into politics.

What a disgusting time and place to live.

pickarooney

We should bomb that time out of existence!

smash

It was acceptable in the 80's.... sing it with me

krudler

condoms were illegal outside chemists until 1991 iirc, thats just fcuking nuts.

smash

krudler wrote: »

condoms were illegal outside chemists until 1991 iirc, thats just fcuking nuts.

Don;t think you can get pregnant from that though.

gcgirl

krudler wrote: »

condoms were illegal outside chemists until 1991 iirc, thats just fcuking nuts.

Yeh I remember when The Virgin Megastore started selling them around the 1990 time just before it was legal to sell them outside a chemist the uproar it caused

gcgirl

Even the amount of people who were against Divorce was unreal, even though I was pretty young I still remember the divorce referendum in 86(think it was that yr) and people were really opposed to it, and I thought that you should not have to put up with being in a dead relationship and abusive relationdhips and was for it, for an 11 yr old I was starting to be quite a liberal and idealist

smash

The sooner the people with these kinds of beliefs die off, the better! You'd assume it's heading that way but when you step outside a city in Ireland you see just how backwards the place still is.

professore

smash wrote: »

The sooner the people with these kinds of beliefs die off, the better! You'd assume it's heading that way but when you step outside a city in Ireland you see just how backwards the place still is.

You're making big assumptions there ... I live in Cork city and there are lots of people here with these attitudes - not me I hasten to add.

Dravokivich

Fúck me, Ireland is a better place to live in 30 years later... really?

smash

professore wrote: »

You're making big assumptions there ... I live in Cork city and there are lots of people here with these attitudes - not me I hasten to add.

Well Cork is more backwards than most in fairness.

Ellis Dee

I had a nice little earner going in the 1970s - smuggling suitcases full of condoms into Ireland. I used to get them wholesale from Riksförbundet för Sexuell Upplysning (the Swedish Association for Sexuality Education), which gave me a special discount and lots of free samples when I told them about the situation in Ireland.;)

Fortunately, I was never caught.:)

It was an Ireland that I hope has gone for ever. The boys who ran the show were the men in black, the bishops, and those we elected to manage our secular affairs just did their bidding. Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of children who were abandoned into the care of the religious orders were gaining some very real experience of what "family values" meant to the kiddy-fiddler church and its running dogs.:eek:

old_aussie

What's the difference between inter marital rape and marital rape

TheZohanS

Think there was a court case about this not too long ago where a husband continually raped his wife and he was brought to court...couldn't be convicted of the crime because it technically wasn't a crime then.

Leftist

gcgirl wrote: »

Even the amount of people who were against Divorce was unreal, even though I was pretty young I still remember the divorce referendum in 86(think it was that yr) and people were really opposed to it, and I thought that you should not have to put up with being in a dead relationship and abusive relationdhips and was for it, for an 11 yr old I was starting to be quite a liberal and idealist

It's madness. An absolute shame on the country and some people want to go back to those days.

pickarooney

"Marital rape" suggests that you're raping a marriage.

smash

TheZohan wrote: »

Think there was a court case about this not too long ago where a husband continually raped his wife and he was brought to court...couldn't be convicted of the crime because it technically wasn't a crime then.

I don't think anal counts though.

old_aussie

krudler wrote: »

condoms were illegal outside chemists until 1991 iirc, thats just fcuking nuts.

Jeasus, you must have had a lot of foocking going on in chemits shops in them days.

old_aussie

TheZohan wrote: »

Think there was a court case about this not too long ago where a husband continually raped his wife and he was brought to court...couldn't be convicted of the crime because it technically wasn't a crime then.

Technically, it's STILL not a crime in many countries that are run by a certain religion.

gcgirl

old_aussie wrote: »

krudler wrote: »

condoms were illegal outside chemists until 1991 iirc, thats just fcuking nuts.

Jeasus, you must have had a lot of foocking going on in chemits shops in them days.

Plus you have to have had a marriage cert to get them in the 70's/80's

spurious

gcgirl wrote: »

Plus you have to have had a marriage cert to get them in the 70's/80's

Plus a prescription as I recall.

seamus

“I might add that I am not satisfied that women generally are suffering from a burning sense of injustice of the existence of the rule relating to the husband’s immunity,”

:eek:

Fup me. I'm actually surprised at how far we've managed to come in 30 years.

spurious wrote:

Plus a prescription as I recall.

Afaik, condoms were permitted only where there was a good reason why the wife shouldn't get pregnant, such as a medical condition. Otherwise if you had no good reason, then presumably she was supposed to be pregnant the rest of the time.

Leftist

old_aussie wrote: »

Technically, it's STILL not a crime in many countries that are run by a certain religion.

Before you start throwing stones at muslims just remember we would still be in this position and hundreds of children would still be abused every year if that sacred christian institution had it's way.

No to any religion.

old_aussie

Leftist wrote: »

No to any religion.

Too Right

goose2005

professore wrote: »

You're making big assumptions there ... I live in Cork city and there are lots of people here with these attitudes - not me I hasten to add.

When he said "a city", he meant Dublin. Cork city is just a big village.

Logical Fallacy

smash wrote: »

The sooner the people with these kinds of beliefs die off, the better! You'd assume it's heading that way but when you step outside a city in Ireland you see just how backwards the place still is.

lol

getz

spurious wrote: »

Plus a prescription as I recall.

you could always use the rhythm method,,er if you can find a band at two in the morning

Ellis Dee

spurious wrote: »

Plus a prescription as I recall.

Yes, quite correct. Indeed, there was one pharmacist in Portlaoise - a wizened little craw-thumping, altar-eating limp-dick Catholic, probably a member of Opus Dei or the Knights of Columbanus or some such organisation of Catholic zealots - who refused to sell them to my sister, whom he knew to be married. As far as I know, he just refused to sell them to everyone, despite the fact that his licence required him to serve the public in Ireland rather than the Protector of Paedophile Everywhere in Rome.:eek:

That bizarre law prompted amusement and/or bemusement in Britain and one journalist - from the Guardian, I think - mentioned it in an interview with that paragon of family values (when he wasn't shagging his mistress) Charles J. Haughey.

Haughey replied that it was "An Irish solution to an Irish problem".:rolleyes:

In the meantime, to the chagrin of those who would like to control our lives in the way they imagine the sky fairy wants them to, we have also found a solution to another Irish problem - abortion.

The name of that solution is "England". Eat your hearts out Holy Joes and Holy Auld Biddies - of whatever age!:rolleyes:

bronte

http://goireland.about.com/od/preparingyourtrip/qt/contraception.htm

Doctors could at the same time hand out prescriptions for "the pill", as long as this oral contraceptive was only used to regulate menstruation. Lots of Irish women started to suffer from irregular periods all of a sudden.

:pac:

Ellis Dee

getz wrote: »

you could always use the rhythm method,,er if you can find a band at two in the morning

The rhythm method aka "Vatican roulette".

SisterAnn

old_aussie wrote: »

What's the difference between inter marital rape and marital rape

Think it should read 'intra'.

So where does all this leave 'conjugal' rights? Are they now history? You hear about them in relation to prison visits. What if a fella wants his conjugal rights whilst not in prison. Is it just a case of tough for you son, married the wrong bint? Delicate stuff.

Leftist

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Yes, quite correct. Indeed, there was one pharmacist in Portlaoise - a wizened little craw-thumping, altar-eating limp-dick Catholic, probably a member of Opus Dei or the Knights of Columbanus or some such organisation of Catholic zealots - who refused to sell them to my sister, whom he knew to be married. As far as I know, he just refused to sell them to everyone, despite the fact that his licence required him to serve the public in Ireland rather than the Protector of Paedophile Everywhere in Rome.:eek:

That bizarre law prompted amusement and/or bemusement in Britain and one journalist - from the Guardian, I think - mentioned it in an interview with that paragon of family values (when he wasn't shagging his mistress) Charles J. Haughey.

Haughey replied that it was "An Irish solution to an Irish problem".:rolleyes:

In the meantime, to the chagrin of those who would like to control our lives in the way they imagine the sky fairy wants them to, we have also found a solution to another Irish problem - abortion.

The name of that solution is "England". Eat your hearts out Holy Joes and Holy Auld Biddies - of whatever age!:rolleyes:

Well said.

You have people following those orders because they feel it proves they are irish. How can people be so stupid.

Scanlas The 2nd

It makes sense from a religious point of view( the mjor ones anyway) that marital rape is perfectly acceptable. The whole idea behind religion is to allow a man to work hard, earn property including women, make sure women don't have sex with other men ever so you know the babies are your own.

Rape is bad according to religion because it means another man has potentially had sex with another man's woman, that is unacceptable according to religion and powerbase at the time. Religion is about looking out for the man.

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife.

Thous shalt not commit adultery.

Thous shalt not steal.

So basing laws on religion is insane and incredibly unfair to women.

Dudess

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

lol

Yeah, jokes aside, Ireland might still have backwards pockets but it's not a case of being as bad as 30 years ago once you step outside an urban area.
What's with the longing to see Ireland as so terribly repressed still.

smash

Dudess wrote: »

What's with the longing to see Ireland as so terribly repressed still.

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

Capt'n Midnight

For women who weren't married the Magdalene asylums ran until 1996. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/world/europe/25iht-abuse25.html?_r=4


In the old days you could have an elderly relative signed in to a mental asylum if you got a priest and doctor to countersign the form (or did you just need one + family member ?) Very handy if the relative stood in the way of you owning their farm , plus you didn't have to support them.

gcgirl

I know a family who signed their 2 brothers in to the local mental hospital because they were intellectually disabled wtf like their sister got the house

number10a

goose2005 wrote: »

When he said "a city", he meant Dublin. Cork city is just a big village.

If he meant a specific city, he would have said the city. A city implies he was being ambiguous as he could have been referring to any of our cities. Get back to your English grammar book and look up articles.

And while you're at it, Cork, a city of 200,000, is a city by the standards of any country in Europe (even Germany, with its 81m people), so it certainly is a city in a country of 4.5 million people. If you like looking down your nose on Ireland so much, you know where the airport is.

/off-topic

Should this not be intra-marital rape?? Inter-marital rape to me sounds like going around raping other people's wives rather than your own.

Dudess

smash wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

What's with the longing to see Ireland as so terribly repressed still.

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

It is? How? Ok I know it's not Norway, but repressed? Seems just something people say tbh. Yeah it's got its spots here and there, but overall, "repressed" is a bit strong IMO.

Logical Fallacy

smash wrote: »

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

I'd dispute that. Can't say i noticed any more repression where i spent 17 years growing up that the assorted cities I spent the last 13 years living and working in.

Would be interested to see you post some examples though as i am always open to changing my mind in the face of well reasoned points.

smash

Dudess wrote: »

It is? How? Ok I know it's not Norway, but repressed? Seems just something people say tbh. Yeah it's got its spots here and there, but overall, "repressed" is a bit strong IMO.

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Dudess

smash wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

It is? How? Ok I know it's not Norway, but repressed? Seems just something people say tbh. Yeah it's got its spots here and there, but overall, "repressed" is a bit strong IMO.

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Could you give examples?

That person meant some people in Cork have that attitude, plenty do in Dublin too - older generations and such. I live in Cork - it's not repressed.

Leftist

smash wrote: »

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Frightening.

I went to Christmas day mass (for the sake of someone else) in Dublin this year. Boom: half empty. Great to see. This is a small church in a big village.

You go out of dublin and every service is packed out. It's sick. They think it's a positive though.

gcgirl

We still do have a improvement on 30 yrs ago, but there are niggly little bits and education and people being less ignorant can improve them

number10a

smash wrote: »

Nobody wants to see it. It's just a fact that it's still actually is very repressed

It's not actually very repressed at all. I'm openly gay, living back home again for a few months, in a very small town in West Cork, and no one has taken issue at all with it since a few mindless comments were passed in secondary school. I'm 25 now. For a few years in college, I worked in a typical culchie-land pub at weekends. All the customers knew, and no one gave a shìt. You want to talk about repression and backwardness, just have a look at what happens at Gay Pride Marches in Warsaw, Vilnius or Belgrade. Ireland will look like Utopia to you then.

I'm with Dudess on this one, there are just some people who love to go on and on about the backwardness, closed-mindedness and Holy-Catholic-Ireland shìte which thankfully, quite some time ago, went into a coma (I will concede that it's not dead yet).

gcgirl

Leftist wrote: »

smash wrote: »

Like I said, you step outside a city and thinks are backwards. But then another poster said that even Cork city is still like that. That's the 2nd largest in Ireland...

Frightening.

I went to Christmas day mass (for the sake of someone else) in Dublin this year. Boom: half empty. Great to see. This is a small church in a big village.

You go out of dublin and every service is packed out. It's sick. They think it's a positive though.

Never please someone else
The hell I had with the old dear over No 1 not making her communion

Dudess

pickarooney wrote: »

We should bomb that time out of existence!

No way - ant music ftw!

Motorist

A bit too much liberalisation now though. Awful to see the common sight of 16 and 17 year olds pushing prams around with their tracksuit bottoms on, no ambition in life just let the State take care of everything and look after them and their "entitlements" from the cradle to the grave.

I know one 18 year old lad who has a 17 year old girl pregnant, denies that to his regular girlfriend and separately passed genital herpes on to one of my friends.

Not nostalgic for those days, but not euphoric about these days either. Although I suppose freedom of choice also wins, just a shame people cant be more responsible with that freedom

44leto

Ireland is still in need of more progressive legislation. There are still issues with gay marriage and people in their 1000s still have to go abroad to have an abortion.

Motorist

44leto wrote: »

Ireland is still in need of more progressive legislation. There are still issues with gay marriage and people in their 1000s still have to go abroad to have an abortion.

Gay marriage requires a referendum.

Jaxxy

Motorist wrote: »

A bit too much liberalisation now though. Awful to see the common sight of 16 and 17 year olds pushing prams around with their tracksuit bottoms on, no ambition in life just let the State take care of everything and look after them and their "entitlements" from the cradle to the grave.

I know one 18 year old lad who has a 17 year old girl pregnant, denies that to his regular girlfriend and separately passed genital herpes on to one of my friends.

Not nostalgic for those days, but not euphoric about these days either. Although I suppose freedom of choice also wins, just a shame people cant be more responsible with that freedom

It's lack of education IMO, it was a problem thirty years ago, it's still a problem now.